Israel: We Are At War

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Pens1566

Lifer
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The tail that wags the dog...

Israel will “lead” a military strike along with the US against Iran if nuclear talks don’t succeed, US President Donald Trump says... (meaning Israel is going to drag the US into a war with Iran regardless of our best interests and we will be subservient to their wishes)


It's the reason for all the traffic to Diego Garcia. No other real reason to have 8 B-2s moved there in the last month.
 
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fskimospy

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And it seems unlikely that the US would be able to prevent this with just air power alone.
Iran will either have nuclear weapons or will have a situation where they can rapidly make them if they choose to within 10 years IMO.

The simple reason is they know the US is implacably hostile to them, they know the US can't be trusted, and they know the US never pulls this shit with North Korea.
 

K1052

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Iran will either have nuclear weapons or will have a situation where they can rapidly make them if they choose to within 10 years IMO.

The simple reason is they know the US is implacably hostile to them, they know the US can't be trusted, and they know the US never pulls this shit with North Korea.

Most of the estimates I've read of their breakout time are down to less than a year now depending how quickly they need it and what compromises they are willing to make on yield and portability.
 

amenx

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I believe the US position on Iran is almost entirely driven by Israeli manipulation. As they did with Iraq and the Bush admin where they plied them with false Intel and pushed the US into the Iraq war. Pro-Israel lobbies (AIPAC) are what largely drive Mid-east policies.

If war breaks out, this what I think Israels objectives would be. While media attention will be entirely focused on Iran and the unfolding conflict, Israel will implement the final solution vs the Pals and ethnically cleanse them from the West Bank. This will not get much media attention compared to an Iran conflict. They will also push for more Lebensraum and seize more territory from Syria. The right wingers in govt are frequently talking of Greater Israel and this would be their chance to do it, esp with Iran out of the picture. The UN will be powerless to do anything as everything will be vetoed by the US at the Security Council. The UN will be as meaningless as the League of Nations pre-WWII.
 

IronWing

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I believe the US position on Iran is almost entirely driven by Israeli manipulation. As they did with Iraq and the Bush admin where they plied them with false Intel and pushed the US into the Iraq war. Pro-Israel lobbies (AIPAC) are what largely drive Mid-east policies.

If war breaks out, this what I think Israels objectives would be. While media attention will be entirely focused on Iran and the unfolding conflict, Israel will implement the final solution vs the Pals and ethnically cleanse them from the West Bank. This will not get much media attention compared to an Iran conflict. They will also push for more Lebensraum and seize more territory from Syria. The right wingers in govt are frequently talking of Greater Israel and this would be their chance to do it, esp with Iran out of the picture. The UN will be powerless to do anything as everything will be vetoed by the US at the Security Council. The UN will be as meaningless as the League of Nations pre-WWII.
The Boomers and Gen X will never let go of the humiliation of the embassy hostage crisis. It’s one of those issues where we have to wait people out to get to a point where rational engagement is possible. The Iranians overthrowing the mullahs would help.
 

Jaskalas

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The UN will be powerless to do anything as everything will be vetoed by the US at the Security Council. The UN will be as meaningless as the League of Nations pre-WWII.
Turkey will say hello. Only so much BS they are willing to take in Syria.
Certain nations do not need the UN to "deal" with Israel.
It also invokes one hell of a question... what it would mean to do that without also invoking nuclear war.
 

amenx

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The Boomers and Gen X will never let go of the humiliation of the embassy hostage crisis. It’s one of those issues where we have to wait people out to get to a point where rational engagement is possible. The Iranians overthrowing the mullahs would help.
Boomers and Gen X? Bet they are mostly hard core Zio-nuts who also approve of Israels genocide.

Pearl Harbor was forgotten rather quickly after Japan surrendered, and Hirohito who gave his consent to the Japanese war machine at the time was forgiven and kept in place. Things seem to happen more orderly or conveniently when Zio interests are not involved.

Things were going perfectly well when Obama put into place the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) that virtually guaranteed an end to Irans nuclear ambitions at the time. This with full backing of the UK, France, Germany, Russia, China.

2016, enter Trump and the Zio-machine to fuck it all up.
 
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amenx

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Turkey will say hello. Only so much BS they are willing to take in Syria.
Certain nations do not need the UN to "deal" with Israel.
It also invokes one hell of a question... what it would mean to do that without also invoking nuclear war.
Israel has already taken over 400 sq km of Syrian territory since the fall of Assad. Turkey did fuck all. Israel over time will continue to take more and more territory, as long as it doesnt get too close to Turkey. Syria is 184000 sq km. If Israel manages to occupy 1/10 of that, they've almost doubled the size of Israel proper. And who is going to use nukes to stop them?
 
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Nothing they do is surprising. What's surprising is what everyone else is doing. Which is basically nothing. Tacit approval to israelis to carry on.

New definition of israeli: a murderous coward who hides behind the cover of anti-semitism.
 
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amenx

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Israeli court rejects petition brought forth by Israeli human right NGOs challenging the legality of Israel’s policy re the facilitation and provision of humanitarian aid in the Gaza Strip. One of the judges cited the biblical commandment to annihilate Amalek as grounds for rejecting the IHL rules of distinction between civilians and military objectives.

There we have it.. Israel is basically the state equivalent of ISIS where religion over-rules all other laws and where civs are fair game for annihilation. Genocide is kosher.

Chances of this ever making it as an obscure paragraph in the MSM are slim to none.

 

amenx

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Israel bombs one of the last functioning hospitals in Gaza. A Christian run facility that Israel says is a Hamas command center.

A Statement Issued By The Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem

In the early light of this holy day, the al-Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital in Gaza, a place consecrated to healing and long rooted in the Christian vocation of mercy, was struck by an Israeli air assault that rendered its emergency and other critical departments inoperative. Patients in fragile condition, including children, were forced into the open streets. Among them, a twelve-year-old who perished during the chaotic evacuation. This death, like so many others, is a silent cry, a reminder of the innocent who suffer where care should prevail.

This hospital, already strained by months of siege, stood as one of the last beacons of medical hope in Gaza, where dozens of healthcare institutions have been systematically destroyed. The stripping away of such sanctuaries of life and dignity is a tragedy that transcends all boundaries of politics and enters the realm of the sacred.

 
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israel will just ensure more suffering for its own people in the coming generations with these inhuman acts of cowardly violence. No way these heinous deeds will go unpunished.
 

hal2kilo

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The irony in all of this is that they will probably get to a deal with them that strangely looks like the deal Obama had with them, that Trump canceled in the first place.

Break something, then take credit for doing something nobody else in the world can do. Right, Trump?
 
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mikeymikec

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I'm surprised that Israel doesn't vary its bullshit excuses. Why are they always Hamas command centres? One could be an elite ninja Hamas training facility. Another could be a Hamas creche for budding Hamas youth operatives. Or A Hamas cafeteria. A Hamas dress shop.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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I'm surprised that Israel doesn't vary its bullshit excuses. Why are they always Hamas command centres?
The art of BS is that it's just fodder / fuel for propaganda.
Reality and even plausibility need not apply.
Just anything that sounds good so the faithful zealots can peach it and push it.
 

amenx

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BBC called out after bringing headline in doubt with "Hamas says" hospital struck. They couldnt say The Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem which is a much more believable source said that, nor could they say the Israeli military said they struck the hospital. After being called out by readers, headline changed.

As with Facebook, wonder if the BBC also have an Israeli govt official overseeing Israels PR efforts. They've been called out numerous times over such journalistic malpractice since conflict began.

 
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fskimospy

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BBC called out after bringing headline in doubt with "Hamas says" hospital struck. They couldnt say The Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem which is a much more believable source said that, nor could they say the Israeli military said they struck the hospital. After being called out by readers, headline changed.

As with Facebook, wonder if the BBC also have an Israeli govt official overseeing Israels PR efforts. They've been called out numerous times over such journalistic malpractice since conflict began.

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To be clear, and as someone who is against misrepresentation, there is no Israeli oversight of Facebook. They do have a unit that flags things on Facebook but that’s very different.

I also strongly oppose Israel’s action in Gaza. (I think initial action was not just warranted but required but their conduct has been unconscionable) Maybe you should ask yourself why people who fundamentally agree with you are telling you this.
 
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APU_Fusion

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Iran will either have nuclear weapons or will have a situation where they can rapidly make them if they choose to within 10 years IMO.

The simple reason is they know the US is implacably hostile to them, they know the US can't be trusted, and they know the US never pulls this shit with North Korea.
Iran only needs to promise emperor Trump they will help develop Gaza Bech front property and he will let them develop all the nukes they want.
 
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amenx

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To be clear, and as someone who is against misrepresentation, there is no Israeli oversight of Facebook. They do have a unit that flags things on Facebook but that’s very different.
Yes, an Israeli official that selectively flags things, whether factual, incorrect or incomplete thus rendering the information distorted. Its allowed, legit, sure. Just doesnt help the companies rep or image. Shareholders have a right to demand transparency and to know how its being implemented.
 

fskimospy

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Yes, an Israeli official that selectively flags things, whether factual, incorrect or incomplete thus rendering the information distorted. Its allowed, legit, sure. Just doesnt help the companies rep or image. Shareholders have a right to demand transparency and to know how its being implemented.
By that logic I ‘oversee’ Facebook as I could make the same requests.

You have radically moved the goalposts here.
 
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