Israel: We Are At War

[rommelrommel]

They are not targeting the civilians, they’re targeting Hamas.

So as long as you have some civilians around military blockades are a war crime?

That’s not how it works.

 

[AtenRa]

Israeli air strikes

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711368236539744506

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711394592875049234

https://twitter.com/IAFsite/status/...EBFCF81CEAFCEB1-CF83CEB1CF81CF8ECEBDCEB5CEB9/

https://twitter.com/IAFsite/status/...EBFCF81CEAFCEB1-CF83CEB1CF81CF8ECEBDCEB5CEB9/

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I guess you missed the posts about oppressors and americans firebombing Tokyo as justifications for hamas. Or why would people have music festival in desert. That is indirect excuse for Hamas slaughtering them

It wasn't fucking justification, stop strawmanning.

 

[Leeea]

They are not targeting the civilians, they’re targeting Hamas.

Absolutely. Yes, there were Hamas offices in that 14 story residential tower that was destroyed with no warning. To be fair, that was a legitimate military target. Cold comfort to all the civilian dead.

They have been dropping multi-story residential buildings with no warning. Hamas mixed its infrastructure with the civilian infrastructure. Every Hamas target hit comes with a massive collateral damage. This is intentional on Hamas's part.

Same with the mosque they leveled, civilians were sheltering there, probably unaware Hamas was also using it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/israel-airstrike-gaza-mosque-damage-b2426598.html


At what point is the line blurred? Israel can technically claim they are hitting Hamas targets and that is true. But when Israel drops a multistory apartment building to take out a dispersed Hamas logistics storage, that is a lot of civilians dying. None of those civilians had a choice in the matter.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly.”

Lets see how that works out with 2 million people in the 3rd most densely populated area on the planet. This could be the closest thing to the Warsaw Ghetto since the end of WWII.

Defense minister announces ‘complete siege’ of Gaza: No power, food or fuel

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www.timesofisrael.com

Jesus Christ. It begins

 

[amenx]

Sure boss. What am I justifying clown? how many damn times do I need to state Israel is a shit country we shouldn’t be allies with due to their treatment of Palestinians before you dumbasses get it? am stating Hamas with their barbarism on open public display has given Israel permission to openly massacre innocents through bombing and other means. Stating people shouldn’t have a music festival in desert not under Israeli control is absolutely making excuses for hamas slaughtering them. Fuck that.

This:

lol. You do you boo. That is the simple reality. Your support of Hamas is noted.

And my post that you based your statement upon.

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So apparently you either have been pulling stuff out of your ass or just too dumb to comprehend what people say or mean. Take your pick.

 

[APU_Fusion]

The west is falling, though, into RW populism.

Two major global conflicts now, continued rising costs, homeownership still a dream for many in the US, crime/homelessness at record highs...and people still think Biden is going to escape unscathed?

Half the country is begging for a strongman to "take care of things."

Then they will look around and realize their lives are ways worse off and need to blame someone else yet A

This:

And my post that you based your statement upon.

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So apparently you either have been pulling stuff out of your ass or just too dumb to comprehend what people say or mean. Take your pick.

sure. Ignore all the posts supporting Hamas that I noted and my not supporting Israel. You are either too dumb to comprehend or pulling stuff out your ass. Easy to just say stuff. You use the liberty event to justify them not being ally? that is your wish, not reality. They are ally in reality. I agree with you they shouldn’t be ally which I have posted over and over but you trying to claim they are not is not grounded in reality. The US considers them an ally.

I apologize about supporting hamas comment though. I was bit angry at all sides and people trying to justify hamas with ww2 references and not having music celebrations in a desert.

i will repeat for the 20th time. Israel is equally bad. It is just Hamas doing this in this way has given the yahoo in charge of Israel some cover to carry out genocide on innocent Palestinians

i think we actually agree amenx in principle. Both sides bad. Hamas slaughtering civilians gives yahoo cover to slaughter civilians. Hamas hiding with civilians means nothing to Israel’s yahoo who will bomb them regardless. Israel is not the US.

 

[kage69]

that was such an absurd statement it had to sarcasm, right?

I've already questioned the IDF's desire to avoid collateral, but it is something they have the ability to do. You do understand that Hamas intentionally uses civilians for cover though, right?

Hamas is threatening to execute hostages live on camera. For all of Israel's faults I can't ever recall them resorting to going full ISIS like that. Not seeing the absolute parity some do. Mowing down hundreds of kids at a music festival seems a lot different to me than putting a Hellfire into a car to kill the armed occupants, but having the blast take down children who entered the radius from out of view just before impact. A non-specific example reflecting their tactics. It's not just a sum of mistakes for the IDF I know, for instance I've always considered Shireen Abu Akeh's death a targeted killing.

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[soulcougher73]

Then link someone saying Hamas is justified?

I can link you to where the says we are justifying Hamas though lol

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

So, Yahu and his buds on trial at Nuremberg along side Putin and his buds?

 

[Roger Wilco]

The west is falling, though, into RW populism.

Two major global conflicts now, continued rising costs, homeownership still a dream for many in the US, crime/homelessness at record highs...and people still think Biden is going to escape unscathed?

Half the country is begging for a strongman to "take care of things."

You’ve impressed us all again with your cowardice.

Please take your asshole to the ICU asap.

 

[gothuevos]

You’ve impressed us all again with your cowardice.

Please take your asshole to the ICU asap.

Just to show you I'm not such a bad guy, I'll share some of my daily rations with you when we meet up in the gulags. Er I mean Re-education Centers for American Excellence.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Just to show you I'm not such a bad guy, I'll share some of my daily rations with you when we meet up in the gulags. Er I mean Re-education Centers for American Excellence.

That is funny and needed humor today,

 

[dank69]

I guess you missed the posts about oppressors and americans firebombing Tokyo as justifications for hamas. Or why would people have music festival in desert. That is indirect excuse for Hamas slaughtering them

Then link it up. There should be a bunch to pick from, right?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Just to show you I'm not such a bad guy, I'll share some of my daily rations with you when we meet up in the gulags. Er I mean Re-education Centers for American Excellence.

Just to show you I’m not such a bad guy, I’ll share some of my Imodium with you, which is paid for by my liberal socialist democracy.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The moral false equivalencies in this thread are astounding. The deaths of Palestinian civilians are tragic, and feed directly into Hamas’ recruiting pipeline. But what it isn’t, and what it never has been, is a willful and bloodthirsty slaughter, like Hamas has demonstrated again and again. Let me know when the IDF have people's throats slit, or their naked bodies paraded before cheering crowds, or were slaughtered while cowering in a bomb shelter by armed assailants? Remind me when the IDF forced children to watch while they murdered their parents. Hamas desecrating the raped corpse of a German tourist and filming it.

Many, many Palestinian civilian deaths are a result of Palestinian terrorists deliberately shielding themselves behind civilians and making it impossible for Israel to defend itself from this type of barbaric terrorism without collateral harm. Palestinian civilian deaths are a deliberate strategy of Palestinian/Hamas terrorists. When Hamas is shooting rockets out of hospitals and apartment buildings, you have to make a difficult choice that could end with civilians being killed. Which not only sucks for those civilians, it also helps Hamas recruit to ensure that next year they can do the same fucking thing again and kill more of their own innocent people. You can’t make claims that Israel is violating the Geneva Conventions by firing at a hospital when you’ve purposely set up your rocket launchers atop of a fucking hospital. Radical Pals and Hamas terrorists only bring death, destruction and misery to ordinary innocent Pals who want to live with the Israeli's and don't want them wiped off the map.

The real question is whether Israel (and whomever else) will “destroy” those who are providing the funding and equipment to the Hamas/Gazans (whoever they might be affiliated with) in order for them to be able to attack Israel. And the answer to that is almost certainly no, because they are much too large and widespread for Israel to fully disarm. Even if Israel can get all the nation-state level support discontinued, there is undoubtedly a lot of private support that is run through various “charities”. And so the cycle will continue until Israel is destroyed or the Palestinians cease to exist, neither of which is a reasonable outcome.

It’s very hard to see how to get the Palestinian people into a world of prosperity and civility that tamps down the murderous rage. The Palestinians have been getting billions of dollars in annual aid from various parts of the world, and it seems to wind up being used to buy weapons when it isn’t stolen by corrupt leaders. In the meantime, a lot of people in the region are willing to shell out lots of money to the people who are willing to keep fighting to wipe Israel off the map.

 

[Jaskalas]

More news on the northern front.
Fighters from Lebanon are attempting to engage Israel in total war.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711450917369770278

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711456539456745884

 

[VRAMdemon]

I've already questioned the IDF's desire to avoid collateral, but it is something they have the ability to do. You do understand that Hamas intentionally uses civilians for cover though, right?

Hamas is threatening to execute hostages live on camera. For all of Israel's faults I can't ever recall them resorting to going full ISIS like that. Not seeing the absolute parity some do. Mowing down hundreds of kids at a music festival seems a lot different to me than putting a Hellfire into a car to kill the armed occupants, but having the blast take down children who entered the radius from out of view just before impact. A specific example meant to be more realistic than 'easier on the eyes' for the IDF. It's not just a sum of mistakes for the IDF I know, for instance I've always considered Shireen Abu Akeh's death a targeted killing.

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There is a collateral damage cost borne by the Palestinians when Israel has to operate in Gaza. That’s something you’d hope Hamas would consider before they fucking butcher 700+ Israeli's. And ... It's possible they did consider it, and in fact wanted a huge Israeli response and their own civilian deaths so they could paint themselves as victims. Hamas attacked a music festival where people are full of joy, Pals and Israeli's. A fucking Music Festival. What brave warriors!

Obviously, the long term solution is to ensure everyone has prospects for a decent life and future. Trouble is, there is a significant group that Does Not Want this. They want Israel to be destroyed and the Jewish people eradicated. You can’t have a long term solution when people like this are involved. They don’t want peace where everyone benefits. They want extermination.

 

[MrSquished]

If they had hit Israeli military targets, police, politicians, kept it civilized, yea, that would have worked.


Instead they filmed themselves hunting down and committing atrocities on civilians in mass, in an organized manner, and then posted that online. There is no taking that back. There no excusing that. There is no pretending that is ok.

Its over.


They shocked us. They showed us who they really are. Now they die.

Do you think the Israeli army and commanders should all die after killing thousands of Palestinian civilians over the years and dozens of journalists? And while running an apartheid state and not seriously looking for a solution but only to oppress more?

Or do you just save this kind of outrage for certain sides?

 

[MrSquished]

There is a collateral damage cost borne by the Palestinians when Israel has to operate in Gaza. That’s something you’d hope Hamas would consider before they fucking butcher 700+ Israeli's. And ... It's possible they did consider it, and in fact wanted a huge Israeli response and their own civilian deaths so they could paint themselves as victims. Hamas attacked a music festival where people are full of joy, Pals and Israeli's. A fucking Music Festival. What brave warriors!

Obviously, the long term solution is to ensure everyone has prospects for a decent life and future. Trouble is, there is a significant group that Does Not Want this. They want Israel to be destroyed and the Jewish people eradicated. You can’t have a long term solution when people like this are involved. They don’t want peace where everyone benefits. They want extermination.

I'm sure there are extremist Palestinians that don't want Israel to exist but most Palestinians would be happy to have a reasonable solution.

Israel has been completely unfair at the negotiation table doing nothing when the Palestinian organizations in the West Bank put recognizing Israel on the table. Israel has wanted no solution they just push settlements and harsher and harsher attacks on civilians in Palestine because they don't want a solution.

Are you against the majority of the Israeli government, Not necessarily it's citizens, but the government for not being interested in any kind of real solution except the total state of israel?

Or you just feel one way for one side and you have different standards for the other.

 

[cytg111]

Justifying the murder of noncombatant americans is the definition of traitor. I am not condoning Israel shitty position but the deflections on this forum trying to
justify Hamas’s evil is astounding.

Who the fuck is justifying Hamas anything? Think you need reading glasses...
One can point out the failures of Israel without them being justification for Hamas terror.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Here are a few linked quotes directly or indirectoy trying to justify Hamas‘s actions dans69 including your own

 

[APU_Fusion]

How about explaining why it was fine for 6000 Palestinian citizens to be killed but 40 Israeli citizens is different?

ethnic cleansing?

the Palestinians from Gaza are going door to door in Israel and executing people. For being Israeli. That's genocide. They are filming it, they are proud of it.


Pick the lesser evil.

Well Israel are the ones in control. They absolutely are responsible for the current conditions in the Palestinian Territories.

So I guess it depends on what Israel wants. Does it want to integrate Palestinians into Israeli life or does it want to keep squeezing them into worse and worse conditions?

That works. Genocide also fits.

No it isn't. Unless you think that they are going to wipe out the Israelis. It's fucking horrible but that's what happens when you cage people up for decades and occasionally shoot them.

That would involve the people in control not treating the Palestinians like animals.

Not like Israel hasn't sown these seeds for 100+ years taking the Palestinians' nation away from them. I'm sure you righties would be engaging in constant terrorism if Mexico flooded here, seized complete power, stuck the whites in ghettos, and renamed the nation Aztlan.

You haven't been paying attention to how Israel has been treating the Palestinian Territories for decades!

Or the two nukes we dropped on Japanese cities just to scare Stalin

First of all, did Palestinians officially declared war on Israel and then attacked them ?? no , even Japan didn't declare war first when attacked pearl harbor, US and the rest of the world was at war with Japan when the bombs fell in Japanize cities.
Secondly, after two world wars, after the Korea War, after the Vietnam war etc I had hopped humanity learned from their mistakes, evolved beyond barbarism but noooo, here comes Hamas to remind us that some people still live in the middle ages.

LOL the idea that nations like Israel and the US respect human life.

I'm glad Hamas got a whole bunch of Israeli military. Fuck that whole government and their jackboots.

Don’t forget Atomic bombs from 1945

Yeah I totally get turning to psychopathic murderers to address their grievances. Totally got it when the PLO murdered those Israeli athletes at Munich, too. And all the rest of their anti-semitic fueled violence these past 100 years. Because these right wing religious fanatics, which describes the vast majority of Palestinians, never seem to have any choice but to turn to terrorism. Funny how they always seem to have no choice in the matter. It's always the evil Jews who made them do it.

ROFL acting like Israel hasn't seeded a lot of this hatred for the last 100+ years in Palestine

LOL acting like Zionists only started their takeover of Palestine in 1948

Terrorist act? Or rising up against their oppressors?

Sorry Bub, you blew that one. Israel is the one violating international law and UN directives ....

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has drawn a parallel between Russia’s invasion of his country and the Hamas militant group’s incursion into Israel, saying only “rules [and] international law” can ensure peace around the world."

Live updates | Israel says it's at war after surprise Hamas attack

Israel says it has brought in special forces to try to wrest control of four sites from Hamas fighters after the militant group launched its unprecedented incursion into Israel.

apnews.com

But the Isrealis are not terrorists when they kill Palestinian women and children. Yes, we get it.

As far as European tourists, who goes to a music festival in occupied Gaza that isn't Israeli?

Here you go dans69

 

[APU_Fusion]

Who the fuck is justifying Hamas anything? Think you need reading glasses...
One can point out the failures of Israel without them being justification for Hamas terror.

Seriously. Look at the quotes. but America ww2, I am glad Hamas got Israeli military stuff, who holds concert in desert. Why is it ok for Israelis to commit atrocities but not Hamas. Seriously.? You obviously haven’t read the thread.

 

[APU_Fusion]

So, Yahu and his buds on trial at Nuremberg along side Putin and his buds?

Yes along with Hamas. Why you not mention them eh?