Israel: We Are At War

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KMFJD

Lifer
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That's horrible. The images I'm seeing from Gaza are breaking my heart all over again. I think Hamas pushed Israel over the edge this time, they've embraced the tactics Putin and Assad used in Syria. How do you defeat men willing to die? You attack their families, civilian infrastructure. If those men are home at the time, all the better.

I just don't see how diplomacy can resolve this seeing how far both sides have taken it, and it's only just started. This could have steam in it for years, and it just gets worse by the hour.



Israel hasn't done anything yet that it hasn't done in the past
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I really don't see what their end game is by this, as they know they cannot "win" against Israel.
As a serious answer, probably to perpetuate the conflict. As old hatreds go cold, new generations are liable to make change happen for the betterment of everyone, including those they are 'supposed' to hate. Gotta keep feeding the machine, so create a crisis that evokes a predictable response.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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US evangelicals, also pray for this day to happen. They need terrorism in the land of Apocolypse, so their Jesus can return. They literally believe this to be true, and now are mostly thinking their end times are finally here.

Just watch as the fanatics over here push to up the bloodshed and try to burn the world down.
Aw jeez, you had to go and remind me!
 

amenx

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So let me get this straight,

Hamas fires thousands of rockets in to Israel destroying buildings and killing civilians . Hamas then invade Israel, killing innocent Civilians in their houses, in the cars, in the streets, in Music festival and then takes hostages.

In response Israel declares war on Hamas, tells Palestinian civilians to evacuate Gaza in order to attack Hamas fighters and infrastructure. Palestinians just remain at homes, Israel bombs the targets and oups there are still civilians inside and killed.

Now people say Israel does the same things as Hamas , killing civilians.

wtf
Your timeline starts a bit late. Since the last election which Netanyahu only won by bringing in the most extreme right wingers into his ruling coalition, had ratcheted up the states oppression of the Pals which may have been the straw that broke the camels back for Hamas.

As the editorial board of a top Israeli paper explains that the PM had "completely failed to identify the dangers he was consciously leading Israel into" when he established a government of "annexation and dispossession" and by appointing Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir to key positions.

Smotrich, a right-wing politician appointed minister of finance in 2022, has caused controversy by expanding Israeli settlements in the West Bank and opposing Palestinian statehood. Ben-Gvir is the security minister, who has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs.

The newspaper said that after winning in the last election, his "fully-right government" had taken steps to to annex the West Bank and to carry out ethnic cleansing in parts of the Oslo-defined Area C, including the Hebron Hills and the Jordan Valley."

The piece criticized Netanyahu for a "massive expansion" of settlements and increasing the Jewish presence on Temple Mount near the Al Aqsa Mosque, as well as a peace deal with Saudi Arabia "in which the Palestinians get nothing."

"Signs of an outbreak of hostilities began in the West Bank, where Palestinians started feeling the heavier hand of the Israeli occupier," Haaretz said. "Hamas exploited the opportunity in order to launch its surprise attack."

Prior to that, Netanyahu was part of another coalition headed by right-winger Naftali Bennet where he basically shaped the policy of the government which aimed "to crush the Palestinian national movement in both its wings, in Gaza and the West Bank."


Of course this apart from the numerous killings of Pals in the process.
 
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AtenRa

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Since 2022, close to 20000 Palestinians Gazans have received permissions to work inside Israel , contributing close to 2M usd every day in the Gaza strip.
The boarders were open again for the workers to pass in to Israel on September 28th after they were closed for two weeks since last month protests.

It is a little suspicious that Hamas last Saturday terrorist attacks was on the 50th + one day anniversary since the Yom Kippur war on the 6th October 1973.

Im sure Hamas after their terrorist attacks are now very proud for the well being of their civilians , for not only condemn them to death but also to poverty and more hardship. Raising hatred in both Israelis and Palestinians when they could take a few steps forward to solve problems peacefully .
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Whatever goes down the United States will be lock-step with Israel. We are supplying equipment, resources and munitions. Plus there's that strike group heading that way to provide assistance.

How do we feel about that as a collective whole?

The US is likely to avoid direct involvement unless the conflict broadens. We will supply munitions to Israel as needed, mostly stuff like Tamir for Iron Dome and various guided bombs. This would be our typical role.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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So let me get this straight,

Hamas fires thousands of rockets in to Israel destroying buildings and killing civilians . Hamas then invade Israel, killing innocent Civilians in their houses, in the cars, in the streets, in Music festival and then takes hostages.

In response Israel declares war on Hamas, tells Palestinian civilians to evacuate Gaza in order to attack Hamas fighters and infrastructure. Palestinians just remain at homes, Israel bombs the targets and oups there are still civilians inside and killed.

Now people say Israel does the same things as Hamas , killing civilians.

wtf
I'm not well versed in the recent history of the Middle East. Are you saying Israel has not killed civilians let's say in the last 20 years?
 

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
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The roof- knocking strike

Israel strikes with a small diameter bomb or rocket the roof of a building without making excessive damage, letting the residents know that the building is a target and they have to evacuate it. Then a few minutes latter , the bombs arrive on the targets. That is why we have reporters know what buildings are about to be targeted and they wait with cameras to record the destruction, and we have recordings from different angles from multiple reporters of the same building .

Fisrt Video , roof knocking attack



videos, the actual bombing of the same building from different sources/angles


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY

https://youtu.be/NUEjmv6VDrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx7prhdq81c
 
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Ajay

Lifer
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If this holds my theory of Bibi let it happen becomes more of a possibility.
It will come down to the specifics of the Intel given. I doubt Israel will want to share those details. We will have to see if Egypt does (they won’t want to expose their source though).
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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nope thats not what im saying.
But you said the following...

"Now people say Israel does the same things as Hamas , killing civilians."

I'm not including the last 5 days because all hell has broken loose and civilians are being killed on both sides. Yes, I know Hamas just launched a brutal assault but based on snippets in this thread Israel has committed atrocities on civilians in the last 20 years.

I interpreted your post as Israel hasn't killed civilians just Hamas. I could be wrong.

Just an observation, people are responding as if this isn't complicated. It is possible to state the attack by Hamas is heinous, barbaric and is tantamount to war crimes. It is also possible to say their attack was not done in a vacuum based on the long drawn out attacks on the Palestinians by Israel.

Both can be true.
 

AtenRa

Lifer
Feb 2, 2009
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But you said the following...

"Now people say Israel does the same things as Hamas , killing civilians."

Not including all I have said in my post is taking out of context the meaning of that last sentence
 

K1052

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If this holds my theory of Bibi let it happen becomes more of a possibility.

I'm still skeptical and think he just brushed off the warning because he was consumed with his own political issues.

Netanyahu made common cause with Hamas because their goals were largely aligned. Hamas wanted to be in power and periodically kill some Israelis while preventing any kind of political settlement. Netanyahu wanted the same just from the other side and deemed this condition largely acceptable. If there is a visible architect of the current situation it is definitely Bibi who then was also derelict in his duties to defend the state.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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I'm still skeptical and think he just brushed off the warning because he was consumed with his own political issues.

Netanyahu made common cause with Hamas because their goals were largely aligned. Hamas wanted to be in power and periodically kill some Israelis while preventing any kind of political settlement. Netanyahu wanted the same just from the other side and deemed this condition largely acceptable. If there is a visible architect of the current situation it is definitely Bibi who then was also derelict in his duties to defend the state.
What a way to consolidate power. If Bibi learned a lesson from 9/11 an attack on the country tends to put all criticisms of him on the back burner.

Republicans took advantage of that with the Iraq weapons of mass destruction which turned out to be bullshit.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Whatever goes down the United States will be lock-step with Israel. We are supplying equipment, resources and munitions. Plus there's that strike group heading that way to provide assistance.

How do we feel about that as a collective whole?
Multiple sources say that we are there to keep Iran, Syria, and Lebanon out of the fight.
Lebanon seems destined to drag us all in tho. Gotta keep an eye out for that.
 
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K1052

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What a way to consolidate power. If Bibi learned a lesson from 9/11 an attack on the country tends to put all criticisms of him on the back burner.

Republicans took advantage of that with the Iraq weapons of mass destruction which turned out to be bullshit.

From what I've seen in Israeli media criticism of him has not abated, if anything it has intensified. Sure people are going to put the war first for now but I think it's unlikely Bibi is going to escape consequences especially if he was credibly warned before the attack and did nothing.
 
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K1052

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Does it even matter? Hasn't this guy consolidated total power?

No. He had to back off his court plan because too many people got pissed off. His position is precarious which unfortunately has made him even more inattentive to the country's real issues which as we're seeing is somewhat of a drawback.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Gaza starting to look like Grozny, Aleppo, Mariupol, etc.
Raqqa, Mosul, Bakhmut.
Yes, bombed out husks are the picture of cities in war.

There is no doubt the Israeli response will be horrific.
But I will continue to ask, given the actions of Hamas, the invasion, the slaughter, the hostages, the missile barrage. What alternative is there, but to respond? To capture Gaza and eliminate Hamas?
There will be unimaginable suffering ahead.

BARBARISM: Hamas slaughters 40 BABIES in one town with some beheaded...
With Hamas's actions, they condemn many people to a horrific fate.
 
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