Israel: We Are At War

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itsmydamnation

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How did talking work out with Germany and Japan? If Israel doesn't respond, there will be more attacks.
Japan and Germany where conducting asymmetric warfare where they ?

The attacks will continue regardless of what Israel does militarily if there political / geo political polices stay the same, its that simple. What's so hard to understand about that.

If "WE" only used more napalm we could have won Vietnam ?
Replace Vietnam with any other occupation with overwhelming military force but no local population support.

*WE = i am Australian
 

amenx

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Hammas facing a lot of pushback from Arab social media users

Not that I'm a fan of memri.org as its run by a former Israeli intel officer and are usually very selective of what they translate.
 

Bitek

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Lots of moral equivocation for rapists, sadists and child killers going on here. I'm sure defenders of the 9/11 attacks said the same thing.

Israel isn't a faultless country, nor are we in the US, but there is no defense for Hamas and this wonton barbarism.

Even the Russian orcs in Bucha are horrified by Hamas. F em both. F the Western protesters giving moral cover to either
 
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dank69

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Even the Russian orcs in Bucha are horrified by Hamas. ...
I seem to remember stories about Russians raping and killing women and children in the first few months of their special operation in Ukraine so not sure where you are getting this info...
 
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itsmydamnation

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Lots of moral equivocation for rapists, sadists and child killers going on here. I'm sure defenders of the 9/11 attacks said the same thing.

Israel isn't a faultless country, nor are we in the US, but there is no defense for Hamas and this wonton barbarism.

Even the Russian orcs in Bucha are horrified by Hamas. F em both. F the Western protesters giving moral cover to either
How about Fuck the people who create the next generation of hate that leads to even move civilian deaths ? Or just like everything else in this world fuck the future only current retribution matters ?
 
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MrSquished

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Since 2005 Israel has no presence and no settlements in the Gaza Strip.


Here are the launched rockets by Hamas from the beginning of 2013 until July 2014 when Israel started Operation Protective Edge. Real peaceful (yellow is rockets, orange is mortar).
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Israel has not expanded settlements in Palestinian territory since 2005? Are you on crack? Maybe not as much in Gaza, though still some; but in who's little mind are the Palestinians just in Gaza, which has been turned into just a level above an open-air prison. But you seem to approve of apartheid.

Just google Israeli settlements in the last decade and you can get all the results of tens of thousands of homes being built to further erode Palestinian territory, also declaring all of Jerusalem as theirs. You will see many articles, including some half-assed US condemnation that nobody hears about.

You gotta learn to live in reality, the support of Zionism has rotted your brain.

Overall Google Search Results https://www.google.com/search?q=israeli+settlements+last+decade&sca_esv=572299384&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS938US938&sxsrf=AM9HkKnypXCXgHTs6I3lJcOvmELW_uyoyw:1696969565320&ei=XbMlZbqIE5Wk5NoPgcid6Aw&ved=0ahUKEwj6qoqhqOyBAxUVElkFHQFkB80Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=israeli+settlements+last+decade&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiH2lzcmFlbGkgc2V0dGxlbWVudHMgbGFzdCBkZWNhZGUyBRAhGKABSIgjUMUVWIEicAF4AZABAJgBhwGgAeMIqgEDNS42uAEDyAEA-AEBwgIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA8ICBRAAGIAEwgIGEAAYFhgewgIIEAAYFhgeGA_CAggQABiKBRiGA8ICBRAhGKsCwgIIECEYFhgeGB3iAwQYACBBiAYBkAYI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&bshm=rime/1


"Christian Salazar Volkmann, Director of the Field Operations and Technical Cooperation Division of the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, presented the High Commissioner’s report on Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, and in the occupied Syrian Golan, which analysed developments related to settlement advancement over the last decade. From 2012 to 2022, the population of Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, had grown from 520,000 to over 700,000. These settlers lived illegally in 279 Israeli settlements across the occupied West Bank, including 14 settlements in the occupied East Jerusalem, with a total population of more than 229,000 people. At least 147 of these settlements were outposts, illegal even under Israeli domestic law.

The report documented a correlation between the expansion of outposts and settler attacks against Palestinians. During the past decade, the United Nations had verified 3,372 violent incidents by settlers, injuring 1,222 Palestinians. Last year, settler violence reached the highest levels ever recorded by the United Nations. Israel had failed to investigate and prosecute crimes against Palestinians committed by settlers and Israeli forces."

From the Wiki:

 
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Charmonium

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I want to point something out for anyone who might have missed it.

If you looked at the first rockets Hamas fired, you'll see that the interceptors made a beeline for them. IOW, no fancy footwork by Hamas.

But look at the more recent video. You'll see the interceptors go straight and then make a very sharp turn. I'm not an expert of course, but that says to me that the Hamas missiles are trying to actively avoid the interceptors. If that's what's going on, that is a serious escalation of their sophistication.
 

emperus

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I know that and you know that...I wonder if Emperus knows that..

What point are you making?
I was replying to this post. Palestinians can't leave Gaza without approval of Israel. It's an open air prison and they are allowed what Israel allows them to have. That is not self determination.
Since 2005 Israel has no presence and no settlements in the Gaza Strip.
 

Leeea

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Hamas filmed and published photos of Jewish babies with their heads cut off? Verified link, please. I'm not saying it didn't happen, just want verified proof, or any link purporting to show this, please. If you don't wish to broadly publish it here, then pm me with it or hide it here.
To clarify, Hamas filmed themselves committing atrocities and posted them on the internet.

I have not searched for a video of that specific atrocity of beheading children. The one I saw was enough. I am not going to go look for any more. My mind is not strong enough for that.


Like I said, I believe the accusation is true. What I saw in one video were monsters who lost their humanity. And were proud of it. They would not hesitate to commit any depravity.
 

Roger Wilco

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Feels like we are at a tipping point in human history, where having strong/competent leaders would help us steer away from global calamities and reclaim our shared humanity.

But we are rudderless both at home and abroad. We'll continue to lose our humanity one tiktok video, one meme, one tweet at a time.

Why do none of your fretful predictions come to fruition?
 
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MrSquished

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White phosphorus is not "internationally banned" as you suggest. It's still widely used especially to create smoke and mark targets. It's also legitimate to use on troops and equipment.

It's completely illegal to use against civilians. And also, using incendiary weapons is just really fucked up even if it is not illegal in certain usages of war. But Israel has used it in its repertoire of the many ways they injure and kill Palestinian civilians. Definitely not a legal use.


"White phosphorus bombs are not chemical weapons (asphyxiating or toxic substances) – the use of which is prohibited by the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (CWC) since 1997. They fall into the category of incendiary weapons. Their use is codified by Protocol III to the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW), signed in Geneva and enforced since 1983. This treaty has 115 state parties, including France the United States Russia and Ukraine.

This text aims to proscribe or limit the use of such weapons "which may be deemed to produce excessive traumatic effects or to strike indiscriminately". To this end, CCW Protocol III "prohibits under all circumstances" the use of incendiary weapons against civilians or civilian objects (all objects that are not military objectives). In addition, "a military objective located within a concentration of civilians" may not be attacked with incendiary weapons."



You would do much better if you stuck to actual facts.
 
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MrSquished

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I just read a good book, Sea of Tranquility. In it one of the characters posits about the end of the world, it is completely possible that we are always just about at the end of the world, throughout history, in the present, and will be the same in the future.
 
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linkgoron

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Israel has not expanded settlements in Palestinian territory since 2005? Are you on crack? Maybe not as much in Gaza, though still some; but in who's little mind are the Palestinians just in Gaza, which has been turned into just a level above an open-air prison. But you seem to approve of apartheid.
I was very precise with what I said. Israel has left the Gaza Strip to the international border and has no settlements there. I've never claimed that they didn't expand settlements in the West bank, and I never claimed otherwise. Given how things developed with Gaza, it's also understandable why a large part of the Israelis don't want to destroy/retreat from the settlements in the West Bank.

A large part of Israelis had a lot of hope that once the settlements were removed from Gaza, that things would change with the Gaza Strip. The blockade was mostly removed after The Disengagement. However, things only got worse. Hamas members killed Fatah members, and Israel suffered tens of thousands of rockets fired at it from Gaza since then - Rockets that today reach the center of Israel.

There is fear in Israel, that doing a similar thing in the West Bank would result in rockets from the other side as well. Look at Lebanon, Israel has left Southern Lebanon in 2000, even the UN agrees, and now Hezbollah is much much much stronger. Way stronger than Hamas. Why would Israelis be for dismantling the settlements when leaving Lebanon and the Gaza strip has created such strong enemies? Yes, Hezbollah claims that there is a small patch of land that should still be owned by Lebanon, even though it was never a part of Lebanon (Indeed, the French at the time gave it to Syria).

Note that in general, I am against the West Bank settlements. They are mostly built by religious zealots, who ignore international law, and indeed abuse and badly mistreat the Arab Palestinians that live in the same area. That doesn't mean that the situation isn't complex and one-dimensional as you present it, and that the Israeli experience of relinquishing conquered land hasn't been mostly pretty bad (Egypt, is one example where it was successful - however that was a peace agreement with a sovereign state).

I gotta say one thing consistent about the pro-Zionist and pro-Israeli atrocity people, they never deal in facts. As long as they can lie to defend Israel for the same things they accuse the Palestinians of. That is their only goal.
Please, tell me more of that excellent 2014 peace plan while launching hundreds of rockets.
 
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rommelrommel

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It's completely illegal to use against civilians. And also, using incendiary weapons is just really fucked up even if it is not illegal in certain usages of war. But Israel has used it in its repertoire of the many ways they injure and kill Palestinian civilians. Definitely not a legal use.


"White phosphorus bombs are not chemical weapons (asphyxiating or toxic substances) – the use of which is prohibited by the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (CWC) since 1997. They fall into the category of incendiary weapons. Their use is codified by Protocol III to the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW), signed in Geneva and enforced since 1983. This treaty has 115 state parties, including France the United States Russia and Ukraine.

This text aims to proscribe or limit the use of such weapons "which may be deemed to produce excessive traumatic effects or to strike indiscriminately". To this end, CCW Protocol III "prohibits under all circumstances" the use of incendiary weapons against civilians or civilian objects (all objects that are not military objectives). In addition, "a military objective located within a concentration of civilians" may not be attacked with incendiary weapons."



You would do much better if you stuck to actual facts.

Lol, facts aren't your strong suit.

Israel isn't a party to that in the first place. They haven't used them anyways in many years and now agree not to in most cases.

Also appears you didn't bother to really read the convention that Israel isn't a party to...

3. It is further prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by means of incendiary weapons other than air-delivered incendiary weapons, except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.

That doesn't prohibit the use of incendiaries in the general area of civilians, and since Hamas intentionally locates their military targets near civilians, it's pretty easy to argue that Israel takes all feasible precautions.
 

MrSquished

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I was very precise with what I said. Israel has left the Gaza Strip to the international border and has no settlements there. I've never claimed that they didn't expand settlements in the West bank, and I never claimed otherwise. Given how things developed with Gaza, it's also understandable why a large part of the Israelis don't want to destroy/retreat from the settlements in the West Bank.

A large part of Israelis had a lot of hope that once the settlements were removed from Gaza, that things would change with the Gaza Strip. The blockade was mostly removed after The Disengagement. However, things only got worse. Hamas members killed Fatah members, and Israel suffered tens of thousands of rockets fired at it from Gaza since then - Rockets that today reach the center of Israel.

There is fear in Israel, that doing a similar thing in the West Bank would result in rockets from the other side as well. Look at Lebanon, Israel has left Southern Lebanon in 2000, even the UN agrees, and now Hezbollah is much much much stronger. Way stronger than Hamas. Why would Israelis be for dismantling the settlements when leaving Lebanon and the Gaza strip has created such strong enemies? Yes, Hezbollah claims that there is a small patch of land that should still be owned by Lebanon, even though it was never a part of Lebanon (Indeed, the French at the time gave it to Syria).

Note that in general, I am against the West Bank settlements. They are mostly built by religious zealots, who ignore international law, and indeed abuse and badly mistreat the Arab Palestinians that live in the same area. That doesn't mean that the situation isn't complex and one-dimensional as you present it, and that the Israeli experience of relinquishing conquered land hasn't been mostly pretty bad (Egypt, is one example where it was successful - however that was a peace agreement with a sovereign state).


Please, tell me more of that excellent 2014 peace plan while launching hundreds of rockets.

In what tiny little dishonest vacuum is Gaza the only part of the Palestinian territories? Bring precisely misleading doesn't make your dishonesty ok. I pointed that out. And you still defend it. You are unbelievably dishonest, like all the pro Zionists.

I posted the article of the Palestinian leadership accepting Israel as a state as part of peace negotiations. It's in this threat go find it I'm not wasting my time posting any facts for you again since you just dismissed them and dismiss reality.

Since 2014 Israel has stepped up it's settlements, claiming Jerusalem, adopting a harder and harder far right religious wing stance. I mean the data shows it, and so do articles on the piece talks. And so do attacks by Israeli soldiers and settlers.

Bible called the Hamas attack evil. I agree. I think it's a shame Joe buy it doesn't have the same balls to call the MAGA what they are. I also find a shame and disgusting when you continuously defend evil done by Israel.

You are a sicko. Till you can acknowledge reality and facts as linked and not be intellectually honest, I have nothing to say to fucked up people like you who are fine with lying and fine with evil, for your side.
 

MrSquished

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Lol, facts aren't your strong suit.

Israel isn't a party to that in the first place. They haven't used them anyways in many years and now agree not to in most cases.

Also appears you didn't bother to really read the convention that Israel isn't a party to...



That doesn't prohibit the use of incendiaries in the general area of civilians, and since Hamas intentionally locates their military targets near civilians, it's pretty easy to argue that Israel takes all feasible precautions.

I literally bolded the part for you where it says it can't be used in civilian rich areas. You are so fucking gone it's insane. Israel's repeated evil actions show they don't respect shit. You like that evil so it's ok with you.
 
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