Should show the POTUS that even our so called ally Israel will lie to him.That is a colossal WH cock-up.
-sigh- Biden grade A failure.That is a colossal WH cock-up.
It's not just that. If he says he's seen something, there should be no doubt that he has at least seen it. Even then, even commenting on photos he has seen but not verified (to an extent that an honest and shrewd person in an important role should be convinced of their veracity) is still problematic ground as far as world politics is concerned.Should show the POTUS that even our so called ally Israel will lie to him.
This. 100%.IMO Biden got caught chugging the Israeli apologist kool-aid and now looks like a fool.
Beheading of babies and tossing grenades into rooms of kids is not "arguing minutae". It makes the difference between Israels ability to pulverize Gaza and withstand criticism of 100,000 Pal children dead (1 million children make up 1/2 of Gaza's inhabitants) and not being able to do that without a backlash of revulsion from world opinion. That can make a MASSIVE difference in how Israel conducts it wars, including the potential loss of support from its traditional allies as their publics become outraged by such casualty figures.We've entered the arguing minutae phase here while we wait for Israel to push Gaza's shit in (with a happy helping of war crimes and retributive violence I'm sure).
Think you missed a 0 there, 1,000,000 children according to this https://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-israel-airstrikes-children-doctors-without-borders-2023-10Beheading of babies and tossing grenades into rooms of kids is not "arguing minutae". It makes the difference between Israels ability to pulverize Gaza and withstand criticism of 100,000 Pal children dead (who make up 1/2 of Gaza's inhabitants) and not being able to do that without a backlash of revulsion from world opinion. That can make a MASSIVE difference in how Israel conducts it wars, including the potential loss of support from its traditional allies as their publics become outraged by such casualty figures.
The only way to be more targeted is boots on the ground - and the IDF isn't ready for that. They are still gearing up their army. They also need to get SPEC OPS and Intel guys in there first to find and retrieve at least some hostages. Then the army goes in, and shit is going to get wrecked. As usual, civilians in this kind of conflict (well, in most conflicts) will pay the heaviest price. I'll probably bug out of this thread and limit what I watch on the news at some point. It's just so f*cking sad to think about what is going to happen.Meanwhile israeli army stated that they launched 6000 bombs for a total of 4000 tonnes of explosive and taht they managed to kill about 100 fighters with these bombings, out of a total of 1350 killed, that s hardly a war to kill palestinians factions fighters.
You're not being serious any more. The video is not fake.ok, so reputable link to the source of those other cameras?
They do match at the start.
As you point out yourself, as the questions drag on they don't match the transcript. You blame it on cross talk.
The X footage clearly has the reporter ridiculing the spokesman as a parody, but the official footage is a continuous uncut stream.
It is definitely possible I am missing the minute markers.
The only way to be more targeted is boots on the ground - and the IDF isn't ready for that. They are still gearing up their army. They also need to get SPEC OPS and Intel guys in there first to find and retrieve at least some hostages. Then the army goes in, and shit is going to get wrecked. As usual, civilians in this kind of conflict (well, in most conflicts) will pay the heaviest price. I'll probably bug out of this thread and limit what I watch on the news at some point. It's just so f*cking sad to think about what is going to happen.
Israel has agency. Israel is responsible for its own conduct, just as Hamas is responsible for its conduct.All part of the grand Hamas plan....
Yep, meant to say 100k children casualties out of 1 million. I dont think the world can tolerate 1 million dead.Think you missed a 0 there, 1,000,000 children according to this https://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-israel-airstrikes-children-doctors-without-borders-2023-10
Isreal will do what it has to prevent future attacks (which sadly many here appear to have no problem with)...Israel has agency. Israel is responsible for its own conduct, just as Hamas is responsible for its conduct.
Come on people. If you want to assert that Hamas were beheading babies, you've got to have some evidence for it. Scores of beheaded babies surely result in at least several parents testifying to that. The burden of proof is not that complicated.
Furthermore, if "some guy with a penchant for calling for Palestinian genocide" is the first source, something is already fishy. This allegedly happened on Tuesday. It is now Thursday. Victims of infanticide don't tend to be quiet about it; that shit sends ripples through communities because a dead baby results in a parent in excruciating emotional pain, resulting in friends, relations of that parent feeling that pain. Very public funerals. Hospitals, mortuaries, local shop owners would know about it. Tonnes of witnesses to varying degrees. Tonnes of press coverage of the events and the resulting ripples.
It's really the people in power that want that. Israeli government would love to annihilate the pals and Hamas. Hamas would love to annihilate Israel. But the average pal and Israeli citizen does not want that. Some do I'm sure, but most are fine with a living peacefully amongst each other. But it takes two to tango to get to that peaceful place.Isreal will do what it has to prevent future attacks (which sadly many here appear to have no problem with)...
Pretty ironic that the main goal of Hamas/Palastinian people is the complete annihilation of the Jews though, isn't it?
Isreal will do what it has to prevent future attacks (which sadly many here appear to have no problem with)...
Pretty ironic that the main goal of Hamas/Palastinian people is the complete annihilation of the Jews though, isn't it?
Water pipes become rockets, and then Pals whining about the infrastructure wtf
were you the one who stated the Bidens were a crime family as fact without any evidence in another thread?It was a massacre, 1,500+ terrorists invading homes, going door to door. Killing almost everyone they encounter.
What the freaking hell was the motive for people here to try and deny it?
This forum wanted to argue over one inane detail. We know children died, and they want to argue over how they died. A disgusting display of group-think and circling the wagons. To what end?
No one is immune from alt-facts and living in their own reality. Not a single person. Religion, make believe, is the basic human operating system. And those posters just displayed their biases here. Preferring some random fiction over fact. But to what end, because they identify with Hamas?
This atrocity if it were true would have been very quickly seized upon by all the IDF (with no conflicting reports saying they cannot confirm it) and would have arranged media tours to see the bodies. Not just one journo from i24, an Israeli channel that was at the center of a scandal that it received its broadcast licence from Netanyahu in return for favorable political coverage. This aside from several IDF and intel personnel working for the channel.Come on people. If you want to assert that Hamas were beheading babies, you've got to have some evidence for it. Scores of beheaded babies surely result in at least several parents testifying to that. The burden of proof is not that complicated.
Furthermore, if "some guy with a penchant for calling for Palestinian genocide" is the first source, something is already fishy. This allegedly happened on Tuesday. It is now Thursday. Victims of infanticide don't tend to be quiet about it; that shit sends ripples through communities because a dead baby results in a parent in excruciating emotional pain, resulting in friends, relations of that parent feeling that pain. Very public funerals. Hospitals, mortuaries, local shop owners would know about it. Tonnes of witnesses to varying degrees. Tonnes of press coverage of the events and the resulting ripples.
Interesting how you lump the Palestinian people as a whole with Hamas in wanting "the complete annihilation of the Jews". Despite the Pal people being represented by the PA who recognized Israels right to exist and a 2 state solution thru the Oslo accords. Which Israeli right wing governments subsequently ignored and accelerated settlement expansions to thwart or make near impossible to happen. Actually even Hammas has been pressured to accept a possible solution as long as it involves the pre-1967 borders in line with UN resolutions requiring Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. But they know Israel is not interested in that and want all of the lands and to hell with UN resolutions or int'l law and they fear they will eventually be slowly ethnically cleansed out.
p.s. and btw, the Pal people have no issue with Jews. They do have a major issue with Zionism that seeks to displace them.
Unfortunately the parents are dead also, no witnesses were left alive in the scene.
They were actively rejoicing in the streets on Saturday when news of the attack broke...the majority of them agree with use of violence against Isreal (probably because they have been brainwashed since birth). That's all I need to know.
Beheading of babies and tossing grenades into rooms of kids is not "arguing minutae". It makes the difference between Israels ability to pulverize Gaza and withstand criticism of 100,000 Pal children dead (1 million children make up 1/2 of Gaza's inhabitants) and not being able to do that without a backlash of revulsion from world opinion. That can make a MASSIVE difference in how Israel conducts it wars, including the potential loss of support from its traditional allies as their publics become outraged by such casualty figures.