Israel: We Are At War

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Abwx

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And you believe them?


I made some searches and the video is actually lasting 1mn30, i just saw it uncensored and not blured and i trust what my eyes are seeing, your should rather turn the question to yourself since you take the israeli statement at face value, you are not even able to trust your own sight.

The kids are neither crying nor fearfull at all, they have no wounds, and i will add that seeing the pictures of the destroyed kibboutz is just prove that the israelis did retake control of the area with ferocious fightings and gave no damns to these kids lifes.

That s a war and the palestinians at least spared the children, on the other side i read that 700 palestinians children are already torned apart by massive bombings, numbers are what they are and the evidence is that it s the israelis who are child killers and that you re a supporter of these killings.

Fearfull :


I don't see how that discredits it at all?

It seems probable the planners did not know the exact day the attack would take place.

And yet they decided to attack the shabbat day, you are just denying the evidence that they were not targeting schools at all, the video above is prfove that they do not kill children.
 
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Leeea

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I made some searches and the video is actually lasting 1mn30, i just saw it uncensored and not blured and i trust what my eyes are seeing, your should rather turn the question to yourself since you take the israeli statement at face value, you are not even able to trust your own sight.

The kids are neither crying nor fearfull at all, they have no wounds, and i will add that seeing the pictures of the destroyed kibboutz is just prove that the israelis did retake control of the area with ferocious fightings and gave no damns to these kids lifes.

That s a war and the palestinians at least spared the children, on the other side i read that 700 palestinians children are already torned apart by massive bombings, numbers are what they are and the evidence is that it s the israelis who are child killers and that you re a supporter of these killings.

Fearfull :




And yet they decided to attack the shabbat day, you are just denying the evidence that they were not targeting schools at all, the video above is prfove that they do not kill children.
they were airing the images on msnbc.

There is no point in denying it now. It is not hard to find.

https://www.google.com/search?q=isreali+children+burned+alive+photos



"A baby, an infant, riddled with bullets. Soldiers beheaded. Young people burned alive. I could go on, but it's simply depravity in the worst imaginable way."

the butchering of entire families; the murder of parents in front of their children and the murder of children in front of their parents; the burning of people alive; the beheadings; the kidnappings – of a young boy – not only kidnapped, molested, hurt, attacked; and the sickening display of celebrating these horrors, the celebration and glorification of evil.


Fuck you asshole. Its on the official isreali government release is not hard to find. I went and looked. Its all true. Everything.


Kill all Hamas. Any Palestinians who don't get out of the way quick enough are acceptable collateral damage.
 
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At least the IDF gave the civilians 24 hours to evacuate the areas they intend to punish. Then today they specified specific protected routes for additional time. Hamas just ran in and killed without warning.

Since the Hamas was elected to represent gaza let them all enjoy the fruits of their labors.
Giving a million people 24 hours to evacuate is a ridiculous standard - it's a veneer to provide legitimacy to horrible things to come; and those elections were held in like 2007, so I'd hardly say that the people of Gaza voted for this.

Anyway, collectively punishing civilians is bad.
 

brycejones

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At least the IDF gave the civilians 24 hours to evacuate the areas they intend to punish. Then today they specified specific protected routes for additional time. Hamas just ran in and killed without warning.

Since the Hamas was elected to represent gaza let them all enjoy the fruits of their labors.
@Puffnstuff when was the last election in Gaza?
 
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Ajay

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Giving a million people 24 hours to evacuate is a ridiculous standard - it's a veneer to provide legitimacy to horrible things to come; and those elections were held in like 2007, so I'd hardly say that the people of Gaza voted for this.

Anyway, collectively punishing civilians is bad.
Yeah, the 24 hours is nuts. Why? HAMAS is already dug in, so it doesn't buy the IDF any advantage. 72 Hours should have been the minimum. That and Israel Spec Ops are already in Gaza looking for Hostages. Stupid decision after stupid decision.
 

KMFJD

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strange how people here cheer on genocide....are some of the same people decrying civilians dying in Ukraine, but when it happens in Palestine it's murder them all if they can't get out of the way.....propaganda is a terrible thing

 
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Leeea

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strange how people here cheer on genocide....are some of the same people decrying civilians dying in Ukraine, but when it happens in Palestine it's murder them all if they can't get out of the way.....propaganda is a terrible thing
That is fair.

I lost my temper there.

That poster lead me down a path that went some place very dark.

I cannot unsee that now. Don't go there. It changes a persons morality. I have seen a lot of Ukraine war videos, a lot of civilian dead, a lot of soldiers dead, a lot of soldiers being killed. This is different.

I don't know the answers.



Hamas has figured out how to make people burn with hatred and see nothing else. I think if a person was in Israel, or a conscript with a rifle on the line, it would be a lot harder to step back.
 
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Abwx

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they were airing the images on msnbc.

There is no point in denying it now. It is not hard to find.

https://www.google.com/search?q=isreali+children+burned+alive+photos






I am not going to go through the photos, I don't need to see that stuff. But your welcome to go verify it yourself.

The video last actually 1mn30, and the one on msnbc is shortened and blured, that makes all the difference, and the israeli army comments are just ridiculous.

What is now sure is that palestinians dont target children, otherwise the ones on the video would have been killed once spotted, on the other hand at this hour 724 children were torned apart in Gaza by massive bombings, that s the reality.

Besides israelis are concealing their military losses as most of the 263 killed militaries whose name was published by Haaretz are curiously quite well ranked personal, so unless this is some kind of mexican army most regular soldiers are counted as civilians to not aknowledge the mainly military objectives of the palestinians...

As for what is political war criminal here to help you understand the israeli mentality, this is a head of state even if he has no formal powers :

 

Leeea

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The video last actually 1mn30, and the one on msnbc is shortened and blured, that makes all the difference, and the israeli army comments are just ridiculous.

What is now sure is that palestinians dont target children, otherwise the ones on the video would have been killed once spotted, on the other hand at this hour 724 children were torned apart in Gaza by massive bombings, that s the reality.

Besides israelis are concealing their military losses as most of the 263 killed militaries whose name was published by Haaretz are curiously quite well ranked personal, so unless this is some kind of mexican army most regular soldiers are counted as civilians to not aknowledge the mainly military objectives of the palestinians...

As for what is political war criminal here to help you understand the israeli mentality, this is a head of state even if he has no formal powers :

spin and lie spin and lie

that is all you do.
 

Ajay

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WTFBBQ?? Glad we provide a few billion in 'aid' to Egypt every year. If the US doesn't strong arm Israel, then FU. How about Egypt opens their border crossing and lets whatever Palestinians from Gaza take temporary shelter outside Gaza in the eastern Sinai. Let all the NGOs setup facilities, food, water, medical care in camps there.
 
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HomerJS

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At least the IDF gave the civilians 24 hours to evacuate the areas they intend to punish. Then today they specified specific protected routes for additional time. Hamas just ran in and killed without warning.

Since the Hamas was elected to represent gaza let them all enjoy the fruits of their labors.
While I don't necessarily disagree with your post, using the same logic shouldn't we be providing weapons to Ukraine they can fire into Russia? Russian troops have committed the same atrocities as Hamas.
 

Leeea

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An interesting explanation why many western countries are not calling for a ceasefire:
and are not going to.
 
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kage69

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Last night I had some dreams about a grassroots evac effort from several countries involving anyone with a boat. Think Dunkirk, and with US military and commercial vessels joining in.

It would require Israeli cooperation obviously. Maybe allow them to be involved in the screening of people getting to leave. Women and children are the priority. US naval presence would keep the IDF's fingers from getting itchy, hopefully.

I could make a salty Liberty quip here, but don't worry, I won't.
 

Leeea

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WTFBBQ?? Glad we provide a few billion in 'aid' to Egypt every year. If the US doesn't strong arm Israel, then FU. How about Egypt opens their border crossing and lets whatever Palestinians from Gaza take temporary shelter outside Gaza in the eastern Sinai. Let all the NGOs setup facilities, food, water, medical care in camps there.
Egypt is not going to do that.

Egypt associates Hamas with the Muslim brotherhood, which actively holds an armed rebellion against Egypt's own government. Egypt also has its own economic problems, and is not prepared to host that many refugees. It simply is a security and economic nightmare for Egypt that Egypt is not going to touch.
 

Leeea

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Last night I had some dreams about a grassroots evac effort from several countries involving anyone with a boat. Think Dunkirk, and with US military and commercial vessels joining in.

It would require Israeli cooperation obviously. Maybe allow them to be involved in the screening of people getting to leave. Women and children are the priority. US naval presence would keep the IDF's fingers from getting itchy, hopefully.

I could make a Liberty remark here, but don't worry, I won't.
That is a really good dream.

Who would take them?

Part of the Palestine problem is none of the Muslim states around them have ever allowed them to migrate to them. The US is not going to take them. Europe is not going to take them. Where do they go?
 
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Perknose

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Hamas has figured out how to make people burn with hatred and see nothing else.
In many of your posts here, YOU have been that person. You were even yipping around, still deciding to believe that Hamas beheaded babies, long after numerous credible sources said otherwise. Not to necessarily pick on you, but this is the tragedy, all around: Hate begets hate.
 

kage69

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That is a really good dream.

Who would take them?

Part of the Palestine problem is none of the Muslim states around them have ever allowed them to migrate to them. The US is not going to take them. Europe is not going to take them. Where do they go?

I didn't get that far, a dog woke me up.

Applying my awake brain to it I'd say it would require a variety of solutions. I'd want State to work out deals with North African countries as well as Turkey if possible. Things are different now, look at the global outcry. Turkey is still recovering from natural disasters, a banged up economy, and still has a lot of refugees to worry about thanks to Syria and Russia. A work around perhaps, would be to use some of the smaller islands in the Aegean as refugee camp locations, let NGOs and state groups alike turn a few into refugee centers where food, shelter, water and medical care can be distributed without fear of attack.

Certainly not ideal and would be pretty short term obviously, but the important thing is that innocent Palestinian families get out before Gaza is turned into a Mediterranean Grozny.
 
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That is a really good dream.

Who would take them?

Part of the Palestine problem is none of the Muslim states around them have ever allowed them to migrate to them. The US is not going to take them. Europe is not going to take them. Where do they go?
so now we’re trying to find a country for the Pals? hmmm deja vu, and from the people we did that to already. strange world

maybe we can give them Texas or Florida?
 
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woolfe9998

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That doesn't fly with me. I think representatives should put the well being of their constituents above their ability to maintain power. Sure you can argue that the people may just elect someone who will do what they think should be done, but then the blame rests squarely on the voters and not the representatives. This is the main reason I'm not super emotional about the Hamas attack. It certainly seems that the majority of Israeli voters are shitbags, equivalent to our magats. Definitely sucks for the non-shitbags though.

I think you mean the well being of people who are not Israeli citizens. That is how the Israeli electorate would see it. You are just out of touch with reality if you think any democratic country, or any country for that matter, would respond to this attack in the manner you are suggesting. It's never going to happen, anywhere.

This has nothing to do with Netanyahu either, asshole that he is. In fact, he and his Likud party have run the government going on 25 years now because Israel's Labor Party offered the Pals a state in 1999. They rejected it and chose instead to start up a wave of suicide bombings. They were seen as shitting the bed and putting Israeli citizens at risk, so they've been in the political wilderness for a quarter century. In any event, the Israeli labor party is fully behind Israel's retaliation now. There aren't really any dissenters. And you shouldn't expect there to be, because this is how any democratic government would respond, not with the political suicide you suggest.
 

Leeea

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In many of your posts here, YOU have been that person. You were even yipping around, still deciding to believe that Hamas beheaded babies, long after numerous credible sources said otherwise. Not to necessarily pick on you, but this is the tragedy, all around: Hate begets hate.
If go through the photos that were released it looks as if one infant might have been partially beheaded.

Although, it could have just been bullets from a high powered rifle hitting the neck of the child, intentionally murdering the infant but unintentionally causing the child to appear to have been beheaded. The head appears to not be completely attached.


Your welcome to go through what the Israeli government released and give an expert opinion. That said, I wouldn't recommend it.
 
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