Israel: We Are At War

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Meghan54

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Sorry, never had much interest in exploring the way out, wackier elements of conspiracy theories. Glad you spared a moment of your time to educate me. Apparently what is generally known or assumed about the Illuminati is not enough unless one includes the anti-semitism angle, which although seems dwarfed by so many other aspects, groups, factions, cabals, nations, individuals, etc, whom were non-Jewish, its this particular association of the Jews that renders mere mention of the Illuminati to be an anti-semitic act. And that no one can associate bankers, illuminati symbols, bearded elite hunched over monopoly boards into murals or art without being labelled as anti-semites.

What else? Oh, opposing Zionism is considered by Zionists to be anti-semitic and is now being pushed into a new definition of anti-semitism by the IHRA. What next? Criticizing any actions by the Israeli state that may even involve ethnic cleansing or genocide? Yep, that too. Professors at universities have lost their jobs on account of that and have been labelled anti-semites. See where all this is going? Its basically the weaponizing of the term to oust political leaders, educators, even entertainers from their work or to silence them permanently. Corbyn in my view was a victim of that.

edit: also meant to quote/address @mikeymikec in this.
Lotta tripe to say you are wrong
 

Moonbeam

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Could also have set off other stored rockets/explosives at the site.
That thought crossed my mind also and yet I doubt it. I am wondering if we will ever know. Forensics should be able to say but I wonder if the truth will be forever obfuscated and never made clear.

It see another excuse that may come up but I don't want to offer it publicly.
 
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Pens1566

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Richard Engel reporting that Israel has intercepts of Hamas discussing it was their own rocket/bomb and will present to Biden and then release to public.

As for the size of the explosion, two things come to mind. First, hospitals have a lot of oxygen canned up. Two, Hamas has used various buildings to store munitions before.
 

Abwx

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Richard Engel reporting that Israel has intercepts of Hamas discussing it was their own rocket/bomb and will present to Biden and then release to public.

As for the size of the explosion, two things come to mind. First, hospitals have a lot of oxygen canned up. Two, Hamas has used various buildings to store munitions before.

Bla bla, anything that fuel the israeli propaganda narrative is good to believe, they will present lies as usual to cover their war crimes, like the faked news of beheaded babies wich is still propagated by half brained like de Santis and other retardeds...

If Hamas had that powerfull weapons there would be much more devastation in israel, theres s scores of impacts pics, their rockets just manage to make a hole a few metres in a wall at best and barely one metre when hitting the ground.

 
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Pens1566

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Bla bla, anything that fuel the israeli propaganda narrative is good to believe, they will present lies as usual to cover their war crimes, like the faked news of beheaded babies wich is still propagated by half brained like de Santis and other retardeds...

If Hamas had that powerfull weapons there would be much more devastation in israel, theres s scores of impacts pics, their rockets just manage to make a hole a few metres in a wall at best and barely one metre when hitting the ground.


Well, I'm convinced ... /shrug
 
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Brovane

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Recent news suggests that Israel may be able to prove it wasn’t them. I hope we learn the truth one way or another. That should be what matters and does for me.
A lot of people have made up their minds already and any amount of evidence will not sway them one way or another.

The question I have, is who has the most to gain by this bombing/explosion? Answer - Iran/Russia

Russia - Embarrasses the US President right before his arrival and keeps the mess going in the Middle East while they pull f$#kery in Ukraine. This also increases the probability of getting their friend back in the WH.

Iran - Keeps Israeli from normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia. Which keeps Sunni's from aligning with Israeli and presented more of a threat to Iran.

IMHO - This was a false flag operation ordered by Iran through their Hamas contacts. They probably had been waiting for a opportune moment to spring this scheme and AF1 about to go wheels up was that moment. Of course I could be completely wrong.
 
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Abwx

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Hamas storing munitions in the hospital?

The sound of the bomb falling cast no doubt, that s bomb like the ones they launched to destroy several flats, here the high number of casaualties is due to the concentration of a lot of people in a small area, and i checked on other videos that the sound wasnt edited...

Well, I'm convinced ... /shrug
You are only convinced by israeli lies and usual propaganda, i m sure that you instantly believed the 40 beheaded babies fake new once it appeared in some biaised outlet

It must have been a huge disapointment and desperation for you when it was debunked, there s some baseless people who hope for the worse as a mean to comfort their hate and racism.

israelis themselves admitted they bombed the hospital, but of course it s in their DNA to find some ridiculous excuse and pretense, so ridiculous that they removed their tweets.

 

Pens1566

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A lot of people have made up their minds already and any amount of evidence will not sway them one way or another.

The question I have, is who has the most to gain by this bombing/explosion? Answer - Iran/Russia

Russia - Embarrasses the US President right before his arrival and keeps the mess going in the Middle East while they pull f$#kery in Ukraine. This also increases the probability of getting their friend back in the WH.

Iran - Keeps Israeli from normalizing relations with Saudi Arabia. Which keeps Sunni's from aligning with Israeli and presented more of a threat to Iran.

IMHO - This was a false flag operation ordered by Iran through their Hamas contacts. They probably had been waiting for a opportune moment to spring this scheme and AF1 about to go wheels up was that moment. Of course I could be completely wrong.

Your question is dead on. People can argue about who the correct answer is (Hamas, Iran, etc.), but the absolute WRONG answer is Israel. They have the most to lose by doing this intentionally.

I don't necessarily agree that it was intentional by Hamas (I'd want some additional proof of that), but it seems like a ridiculous intentional move for Israel to make. It buys them nothing (they could indiscriminately kill 500+ Palestinians any time they choose), and costs them a metric shit ton.
 

Brovane

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Your question is dead on. People can argue about who the correct answer is (Hamas, Iran, etc.), but the absolute WRONG answer is Israel. They have the most to lose by doing this intentionally.

I don't necessarily agree that it was intentional, but it seems like a ridiculous intentional move for Israel to make. It buys them nothing (they could indiscriminately kill 500+ Palestinians any time they choose), and costs them a metric shit ton.
That is exactly what I was thinking, Israeli has the absolute most to lose by this. So why did they do this unless is was just pure screw-up by their military?
To me the timing is just to perfect to not make it intentional.
 

Abwx

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We can clearly see that the rocket is intercepted quite far on the left from where the hospital explosion occur, unless it got backward by 1-2 km there s no way that it was due to the rocket.

Beside being half brained is enough to understand that the rocket explosive charge was destroyed in the air, we can clearly see it explode, but for some reason there s fools who believe that it can explode a second time once the debris reach the ground.

Anyway that just prove that israeli supportershave not an ounce of logic and that any kool aid provided by the israeli propaganda is enough to fill an hollow crane...

It s just that israel know that they have a lot to lose due to thos war crime and anything is good to make believe people that they are innocent, there s other videos like this one that were already debunked, that s just one more.

Edit : But why are you even trying, we clearly hear that the sound of the projectile is the one of a JDAM bomb, are you that dense...?...

Hear what it look like :

 
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Pens1566

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We can clearly see that the rocket is intercepted quite far on the left from where the hospital explosion occur, unless it got backward by 1-2 km there s no way that it was due to the rocket.

Beside being half brained is enough to understand that the rocket explosive charge was destroyed in the air, we can clearly see it explode, but for some reason there s fools who believe that it can explode a second time once the debris reach the ground.

Anyway that just prove that israeli supportershave not an ounce of logic and that any kool aid provided by the israeli propaganda is enough to fill an hollow crane...

It s just that israel know that they have a lot to lose due to thos war crime and anything is good to make believe people that they are innocent, there s other videos like this one that were already debunked, that s just one more.

Edit : But why are you even trying, we clearly hear that the sound of the projectile is the one of a JDAM bomb, are you that dense...?...

Hear what it look like :


You really like to use the word "clearly" when it appears you don't actually know what it means.

That, and the name calling kind of makes me think we're done here ... best of luck in all your future endeavors.
 

brycejones

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We can clearly see that the rocket is intercepted quite far on the left from where the hospital explosion occur, unless it got backward by 1-2 km there s no way that it was due to the rocket.

Beside being half brained is enough to understand that the rocket explosive charge was destroyed in the air, we can clearly see it explode, but for some reason there s fools who believe that it can explode a second time once the debris reach the ground.

Anyway that just prove that israeli supportershave not an ounce of logic and that any kool aid provided by the israeli propaganda is enough to fill an hollow crane...

It s just that israel know that they have a lot to lose due to thos war crime and anything is good to make believe people that they are innocent, there s other videos like this one that were already debunked, that s just one more.

Edit : But why are you even trying, we clearly hear that the sound of the projectile is the one of a JDAM bomb, are you that dense...?...

Hear what it look like :

Slow down and work on your English.
 

Abwx

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You really like to use the word "clearly" when it appears you don't actually know what it means.

That, and the name calling kind of makes me think we're done here ... best of luck in all your future endeavors.

Not a lot of people are honnest enough to aknowledge that they actually supported criminals, that s the human nature, so if during longs years you were fooled by a very efficient israeli propaganda machine you ll have difficulties accepting that this regime could behave badly, and yet there s tons of exemple like the abject massacre in 2014.

As pointed by Mark Twain it s much more difficult to convince someone that he was fooled than to fool him on the first place, because no one is kin to accept that he lacked intelligence.




And the israeli "prove" that they are not the culprit, just trust my words, lol, im not the bad guy, it s the other side...

 
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MrSquished

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Your question is dead on. People can argue about who the correct answer is (Hamas, Iran, etc.), but the absolute WRONG answer is Israel. They have the most to lose by doing this intentionally.

I don't necessarily agree that it was intentional by Hamas (I'd want some additional proof of that), but it seems like a ridiculous intentional move for Israel to make. It buys them nothing (they could indiscriminately kill 500+ Palestinians any time they choose), and costs them a metric shit ton.

How in the hell can't it be Israel? They have created an apartheid state and terrorized an entire population for decades, and rebuffed plenty of peace overtures, both parties have been guilty of that but Israel has done plenty themselves, their IDF twitter is celebrating this bombing, Bibi admits they want a Hamas to give them leverage, they have always targeted civilians and journalists too. You have no clue what the government and zionists in Israel are capable of or enjoy.

It is blasphemy to criticize Israel by the Zionists and Zionist sympathizers as we have seen right here in this forum, even though it's clear as day the atrocities Israel has committed for decades now. It's sick.
 
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Brovane

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Not a lot of people are honnest enough to aknowledge that they actually supported criminals, that s the human nature, so if during longs years you were fooled by a very efficient israeli propaganda machine you ll have difficulties accepting that this regime could behave badly, and yet there s tons of exemple like the abject massacre in 2014.

As pointed by Mark Twain it s much more difficult to convince someone that he was fooled than to fool him on the first place, because no one is kin to accept that he lacked intelligence.

I hear this BS all the time from MAGA supporters that somehow they are onto something and that we are all fools. Is that who you want to be associated with?
 
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Muse

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I think even HAMAS knows it would be a bad idea to try and bomb a US President. Unless there is some faction within HAMAS that really has a death wish.
I imagine he won't be taking a stroll in a park. Zelynskyy is alive largely because facilities in Kiev (and I assume other built up urban areas) have had bomb shelters built in for years before the Feb. 24, 2022 invasion.
 

HomerJS

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Reminds me of what Europeans did to the natives in North America. Called them savages, animals. Unfit for the new world. Etc.

Treat people like animals. Its so easy to do harm to them, and take their land.
and some wonder why there is sympathy for the Palestinians.
 

HomerJS

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As long as the forensics are done by an independent source it should be pretty easy to determine the source. Ammo like this has distinct signatures.

This is the result of the normalization of lying and conspiracies. Israel and Hamas have engaged in it. Republicans and Trump administration has taken lying to an unprecedented level. Yeah everybody has lied at a given time but like speeding there is a difference going 5 mph over the limit vs 50 mph over.

Guess who is the 50?
 
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Abwx

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I hear this BS all the time from MAGA supporters that somehow they are onto something and that we are all fools. Is that who you want to be associated with?

The difference is that MAGAs never substanciate anything, they just throw slogans and that s all, dont count on them providing anything even remotely scientific.
 
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