Israel: We Are At War

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Sunburn74

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this BBC reporter finds it rather odd that they have never seen one of the rockets that Hamas regularly launches make that big of a boom, not even when a number hit the same target
There are almost no small rocket propelled explosives that can cause that much infrastructure damage to a hospital. Even 10 rockets hitting simultaneously couldn't do that.
It had to be an airstrike with a large missile or bomb.
 

amenx

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I think there will be enough military pundits and independent investigators to conclusively determine what happened. Watch Israels propaganda machine in action. As they did when an IDF sniper shot dead American-Pal journalist Shireen Abu Akl a few months ago and blamed it on Pal militants who were in another location.
 

HomerJS

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The difference is that MAGAs never substanciate anything, they just throw slogans and that s all, dont count on them providing anything even remotely scientific.
They sometimes get lucky with a grain of truth in a wheat field if lies and they excel at riding that grain.

Hunters laptop is prime example where that was supposed to contain proof of crimes by Joe Biden. They got lucky the existence of the laptop looked like Russian disinformation. The only thing they got for their effort are a bunch of dick pics which they displayed on the floor of the House. The headache was born by the country and the Biden’s because their son is a drug addict.
 

Pens1566

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Not a lot of people are honnest enough to aknowledge that they actually supported criminals, that s the human nature, so if during longs years you were fooled by a very efficient israeli propaganda machine you ll have difficulties accepting that this regime could behave badly, and yet there s tons of exemple like the abject massacre in 2014.

As pointed by Mark Twain it s much more difficult to convince someone that he was fooled than to fool him on the first place, because no one is kin to accept that he lacked intelligence.




And the israeli "prove" that they are not the culprit, just trust my words, lol, im not the bad guy, it s the other side...


Yeah, you're right. You've convinced me. It's hard to argue against your CLEARLY demonstrated expertise in:

1) vetting of random twitter sources/accounts for their reliability
2) Israeli/US weapons systems
3) Homemade Hamas munitions capabilities
4) aerodynamics
5) geo-location
6) Forensic audio analysis (combined w/#2)

Coupling all of the above with random personal shots and a splash of attempted literary flair sure has won me over. Sure did beat simple logical reason as to who benefits most ...
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Erm, that happened too fast. Even if you had a hypothetical armed warhead that could somehow detonate on contact with the hospital, and even if it was at an absolute perfect angle to fall directly on said hospital, that air explosion happened like 3 seconds before the hospital did, and that warhead was a few hundred feet up at minimum. Too far away, angles are too specific, requirements on the survival and detonation of a separated warhead too specific, and momentum is a bitch. I'm not buying that theory for a second.

To be clear, I'm not saying it was definitely Israel that did it (though I suspect that more than anything atm), vs a misfire or whatever from Hamas. I'm just saying I don't buy the 'two birds with one rocket' theory.
 
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Pens1566

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I'm sure this is just begging for BDA to be attached to the list of certifications I listed above, but:


Sure looks like fire damage and not the massive crater one would expect from a munition that could cause 500+ deaths. I'm sure the vehicles were all participating in a seminar on proper proper clown car performances though.

Also, note what appear to be still standing solar panel arrays on building rooftops in the background. Sturdy structures known for their ability to withstand nearby blasts (and their pressure/concussion waves) from HE munitions.

Additionally:

 

Abwx

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Yeah, you're right. You've convinced me. It's hard to argue against your CLEARLY demonstrated expertise in:

1) vetting of random twitter sources/accounts for their reliability
2) Israeli/US weapons systems
3) Homemade Hamas munitions capabilities
4) aerodynamics
5) geo-location
6) Forensic audio analysis (combined w/#2)

Coupling all of the above with random personal shots and a splash of attempted literary flair sure has won me over. Sure did beat simple logical reason as to who benefits most ...

You forgot :

7) Rockets that suddenly go backward a few seconds after that were launched.

 

KMFJD

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The CURRENT timeline of propaganda:

- We blew up a hospital because Hamas was hiding there.
- It was a misfired Hamas rocket.
- We warned them to evacuate the hospital.
- Here are videos of a misfired Hamas rocket.
- OK, the timestamps/years are wrong. Here is the actual video of the misfired Hamas rocket.
- OK, that video also has the wrong timestamp.
- The death toll is exaggerated.
- Here is a supposed call between two Hamas agents with perfect clarity discussing the rocket explosion in excruciating detail, including names and locations, with terms like "Israeli shrapnel."
- We bombed the hospital garage, but there were no direct hits on the hospital.

reminds me of this from 2004

 
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amenx

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This is what Israel has been doing for last 10 days, blowing the shit out of Gaza. Numerous buildings, whole blocks leveled, death toll 2800+ even before the hospital blast. Only when the hospital was struck with several hundreds dead they try to exonerate themselves? And only because its gotten a lot of media attention. What a sick joke.
 

zinfamous

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Bla bla, anything that fuel the israeli propaganda narrative is good to believe, they will present lies as usual to cover their war crimes, like the faked news of beheaded babies wich is still propagated by half brained like de Santis and other retardeds...

If Hamas had that powerfull weapons there would be much more devastation in israel, theres s scores of impacts pics, their rockets just manage to make a hole a few metres in a wall at best and barely one metre when hitting the ground.


hospitals being loaded with O2 is certainly plausible and would certainly make boom and fire go much bigger. This isn't really a debate.

Though it's also true that nearly all hospitals in Gaza are pretty much out of supplies and it can't be that easy to get O2 tanks in. I heard yesterday that they are essentially out of all pain killers, so trauma surgery has proceeded with the wooden spoon (Assuming they can get spoons...)
 

Abwx

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I mean that certainly is conclusive, iron-clad proof.

/giggle

Moreover when we can see that not a single rocket was destroyed, they were not close enough of the israeli controled territory...
As with this iron-clad thats more of a golden eggs chicken for the US weaponry industry...
 

Pens1566

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Moreover when we can see that not a single rocket was destroyed, they were not close enough of the israeli controled territory...
As with this iron-clad thats more of a golden eggs chicken for the US weaponry industry...

Trying to translate this into something meaningful gave me a seizure ...
 

Abwx

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The CURRENT timeline of propaganda:

- We blew up a hospital because Hamas was hiding there.
- It was a misfired Hamas rocket.
- We warned them to evacuate the hospital.
- Here are videos of a misfired Hamas rocket.
- OK, the timestamps/years are wrong. Here is the actual video of the misfired Hamas rocket.
- OK, that video also has the wrong timestamp.
- The death toll is exaggerated.
- Here is a supposed call between two Hamas agents with perfect clarity discussing the rocket explosion in excruciating detail, including names and locations, with terms like "Israeli shrapnel."
- We bombed the hospital garage, but there were no direct hits on the hospital.

reminds me of this from 2004

View attachment 87344

We launched 4000 bombs in a week but this one wasnt our...
 

mikeymikec

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Conspiracy theories strike again!


I wasn't aware of this one (pound of flesh), and reading further about it suggests it's linked to the whole blood libel thing, but an Israeli person cutting into their own flesh doesn't really seem like a reference to that trope to me...
 

Pens1566

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Well, it's good to see that the US embassy in Beirut is now being attacked because of a mythical JDAM ...

It's sad when you realize a lot more of the people you're simping for are now going to die as a result of misinformation. At least you'll get to see what real JDAM damage looks like. We can revisit earlier BDA discussion then.
 

Perknose

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I, personally, don't KNOW yet which side is responsible for the hospital explosion. And I can accept that we . . . may . . . never know, conclusively.

I also don't know conclusively who was behind the assassination of JFK, 60 years later. On the latter issue, it's been my personal experience that directly after reading each theory you can momentarily be convinced that, YES, it was done by aliens. Ok, maybe not aliens, but the CIA, Russia, Castro, the mob, right wing Texans, and Hunter Biden's laptop all remain strong contenders.

But, back to the issue at hand, the hospital. I'm willing to wait as the evidence, such as it may be, unfolds. That said, I found this guy's heavily sarcastic take at least amusing, for the writing of it alone. He writes mostly about Ukraine, and does so in depth.

So, to my fellow red-faced expositors of THE TRUTH, enjoy!
 

Brovane

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You forgot :

7) Rockets that suddenly go backward a few seconds after that were launched.

Where is the crater from the Israeli JDAM? I see mostly flash/fire damage and not a blast wave damage you would expect from a JDAM.

 
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K1052

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I'm probably leaning toward either a launch failure or debris from an intercept falling on the hospital parking lot. People were talking like there was massive structural damage and so far the photos from reliable sources indicate that is not the case. Biden would likely not say what he did without a fairly convincing assessment either.

This does not really look like the result of an IDF strike right now.
 

Abwx

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Where is the crater from the Israeli JDAM? I see mostly flash/fire damage and not a blast wave damage you would expect from a JDAM.


The marine investigation i linked talk of a 200-300 lb bomb IIRC; look at the scene, what rocket do that damage and could put cars upside down, we re talking of 20 lb explosive charge for palestinians rockets...

He saw this scene and estimated the explosive charge by the way object are scettered...

I'm probably leaning toward either a launch failure or debris from an intercept falling on the hospital parking lot. People were talking like there was massive structural damage and so far the photos from reliable sources indicate that is not the case. Biden would likely not say what he did without a fairly convincing assessment either.

This does not really look like the result of an IDF strike right now.


Quite a lot of damage for debris, even a non exploded rocket charge wouldnt produce this result, 20 lbs of TNT can now way produce that result, that s not 5-8 km/s speed combustion military grade explosives.

And then there s the noise of the projectile falling wich is the one of a JDAM bomb.
 
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