Israel: We Are At War

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Brovane

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But how a car coud be upside down or completely bended with a hamas rocket that has very few blast pressure..?...

And without being directly impacted..?..

And from your words you said that the alleged rocket fell on the ground...

Remember, the marine veteran said that he think that it was a 200 lbs bomb.

How many cars are upside down, one car is upside down. There are many reasons a car could have wound up upside down from a errant Hamas rocket landing in the parking lot and detonating. The fact is there is only one car upside down and not more tells me that it was no high velocity shockwave. Nearby trees are still standing. A airburst of a JDAM would have resulted in a high velocity shock-wave doing much more damage to the surrounding area. The ac condensers and solar panels are still on the roof. Tiles are still on the roof of the nearby hospital. Some of the cars still have intact windows. Do you think they would be with a JDAM airburst? Look at the surrounding buildings.
 

amenx

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Yes a off course Hamas rocket with a bunch of propellant to burn off could cause this destruction. Nearby trees are still standing. A airburst of a JDAM would have resulted in a high velocity shock-wave doing much more damage to the surrounding area. The ac condensers and solar panels are still on the roof. Tiles are still on the roof of the nearby hospital. Some of the cars still have intact windows. Do you think they would be with a JDAM airburst? Look at the surrounding buildings.

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Not sure why ppl insistent that it was either a JDAM or a Pal rocket. Israel has other munitions in use incl older inaccurate dumb bombs (M117s) amidst the more than 6000 bombs they dropped onto Gaza. As explained with links in #1568.
 

Zor Prime

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US troops been attacked in Iraq and Syria so far. Wonder how many more days elapse until we go full tilt on some terrorists.
 

spacejamz

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How many cars are upside down, one car is upside down. There are many reasons a car could have wound up upside down from a errant Hamas rocket landing in the parking lot and detonating. The fact is there is only one car upside down and not more tells me that it was no high velocity shockwave. Nearby trees are still standing. A airburst of a JDAM would have resulted in a high velocity shock-wave doing much more damage to the surrounding area. The ac condensers and solar panels are still on the roof. Tiles are still on the roof of the nearby hospital. Some of the cars still have intact windows. Do you think they would be with a JDAM airburst? Look at the surrounding buildings.
Dude, you should just give it up discussing this with him....that dude is more concerned with trying to prove Isreal did it and nothing else matters to him.
 

KMFJD

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An analysis of the attack last week, interesting read to say the least

~The border defense system surrounding Gaza included approximately one hundred Rafael-made sniper positions, each with a 0.3 mm machine gun with radar and optics installed. These positions were connected to Elbit's MARS system, with female observers working in a concrete reinforced war room. When movement was detected close to the border, the observer would conduct a ‘suspicious arrest’ procedure using announcement equipment installed on the tower that saw the terrorist and - if necessary - shoot.

~On Saturday at approximately 6:30 a.m., Hamas launched, according to reports, about 140-150 drones with bombs and simultaneously managed to disable all the firing positions in the line. Not a single shot was fired from a hundred positions. After the shooter was thwarted, shots were fired at 22 additional MARS cameras along the border that were the "eyes" of the division’s observers and the entire IDF for the Gaza Strip. The screens went dark.

~In the remote areas and the underground high command post in Tel Aviv they likely thought it was a technical fault and waited for a technician to fix the system. No one imagined that, in those minutes, Toyota vehicles and motorcycles, loaded with Hamas commandos, had broken through the border and were rushing towards the IDF outposts and surrounding settlements.

~The Hamas commando unit, the Nohva, which I wrote about, arrived after months of training to take over IDF outposts. Some training had been previously visible to the IDF and had been held at Hamas facilities in Gaza. Hamas terrorists breached the fence, immobilized IDF tanks that were opening an axis, and quickly rushed to the outposts: Sufa, Reim, Nahal Oz, and Erez.

~There was massive RPG shooting, throwing hundreds of grenades, and shooting small arms. The few Israeli soldiers, probably 300-400 at most, at least a third of whom were observers without combat training, were hopeless. Fighters in the protected bases were captured and killed in their underwear. Hamas filmed everything and published it. It is not yet clear if there were alarms at the bases. The division was in silence. Some of the forces went down to Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), another part was on holiday. Nobody knew anything.

~The terrorists infiltrated the bases, disabled the ICT rooms [intelligence, communications, and technology], and turned off the IDF's communications in the area. No one knew what was going on. Communication between the Otef [envelope around Gaza] and the rest of the country, east, and north of the Otef - was cut off. The Israel Defense Forces concept - a digital ground army and a linked IDF - collapsed completely after 30-60 minutes of combat. IDF and police forces that arrived independently at the Otef also acted without synchronization. There was no communication.
 
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Pens1566

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Not sure why ppl insistent that it was either a JDAM or a Pal rocket. Israel has other munitions in use incl older inaccurate dumb bombs (M117s) amidst the more than 6000 bombs they dropped onto Gaza. As explained with links in #1568.

It's because an audio expert here found a random video on twitter with sound and they testified to their expertise that it sounded exactly like another random twitter/youtube video that purported to be a JDAM strike. Despite the fact that JDAM is not a single munition, despite the two situations not having the same AoA characteristics, despite the two situations not having the same atmospheric conditions, despite the fact that ...

So here we are.
 
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HomerJS

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Of course MTG calls Jewish people protesting on the capital for a cease fire an insurrection. Greene wants Talib expelled while she mingles with white nationalists. When will Republicans be held responsible for their actions??
Some Republican lawmakers quickly likened the protest to the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, when a mob of Donald Trump supporters stormed the building in a bid to disrupt the certification of President Joe Biden's election victory.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia accused Rep. Rashida Tlaib of "leading the current insurrection" on Capitol Hill in a post on X and later moved to censure the Michigan Democrat.

Tlaib, the only Palestinian American member of Congress, addressed thousands of protesters at the rally on Capitol Hill. She has faced calls from Trump supporters to be expelled from Congress and primaried for criticizing Israel.
 

Abwx

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How many cars are upside down, one car is upside down. There are many reasons a car could have wound up upside down from a errant Hamas rocket landing in the parking lot and detonating. The fact is there is only one car upside down and not more tells me that it was no high velocity shockwave. Nearby trees are still standing. A airburst of a JDAM would have resulted in a high velocity shock-wave doing much more damage to the surrounding area. The ac condensers and solar panels are still on the roof. Tiles are still on the roof of the nearby hospital. Some of the cars still have intact windows. Do you think they would be with a JDAM airburst? Look at the surrounding buildings.

And one is completely bended, wich correlate with a bomb exploding at a given height, remember, you said that the device exploded on the ground.

So far you just didnt explain the extent of the destruction by a low power device, a hamas rocket cant produce that much destruction, there s pic of a an israeli car hit directly and there s not that much destruction around it, other cars are about untouched.
 
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Pens1566

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And one is completely bended, wich correlate with a bomb exploding at a given height.

So far you just didnt explain the extent of the destruction by a low power device, a hamas rocket cant produce that much destruction, there s pic of a an israeli car hit directly and there s not that much destruction around it, other cars are about untouched.

Fire. From a large amount of accelerant. Like as yet unused rocket fuel That's all burn damage except for a <1M pock mark.


As you've already been told, a large HE munition even with an airburst would have done CONSIDERABLY more structural damage to everything in that lot. The walls would have been blown in, the trees knocked down, the tile roofs would not be intact, the solar panels on roofs would have been obliterated, the cars would all have been moved back from their previous positions (confirmed from before/after photo comparisons).

You've already clowned yourself enough that most of the forum appears to have ignored you. Going for the clean sweep?
 

Abwx

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Fire.
From a large amount of accelerant. Like as yet unused rocket fuel That's all burn damage except for a <1M pock mark.
Fore doesnt bend a car, i ve seen burnt cars and their shape was never modded, so it s you who are making a clown of yourself.

As for rocket fuel that s even more stupid, since your fellow israel defender said that it exploded on the ground, so one is providing a scenario and the other is suuporting him with a contradictory scenario, and since that s two different people no one contradict himself in the same post, that s clownesque...

As you've already been told, a large HE munition even with an airburst would have done CONSIDERABLY more structural damage to everything in that lot. The walls would have been blown in, the trees knocked down, the tile roofs would not be intact, the solar panels on roofs would have been obliterated, the cars would all have been moved back from their previous positions (confirmed from before/after photo comparisons).

You've already clowned yourself enough that most of the forum appears to have ignored you. Going for the clean sweep?

Condiderable damage is done when the explosive exploded in a confined structure, on open air energy decrease as the cube of the distance, at 30 metres pressure energy is 900x less than at 1 metre.

You should do some homework before doing conclusions that are elaborated out of ignorance.
 

pmv

Lifer
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An analysis of the attack last week, interesting read to say the least

~The border defense system surrounding Gaza included approximately one hundred Rafael-made sniper positions, each with a 0.3 mm machine gun with radar and optics installed. These positions were connected to Elbit's MARS system, with female observers working in a concrete reinforced war room. When movement was detected close to the border, the observer would conduct a ‘suspicious arrest’ procedure using announcement equipment installed on the tower that saw the terrorist and - if necessary - shoot.

The very fact that I'm asking this question is probably a sign that I've spent too much time hanging around with all you US gun-nuts on here, but - what is a "0.3mm machine gun"? Should it not be a .3 inch machine gun? 0.3mm seems like a very small caliber.

(Before long I'll be complaining about people saying "clip" instead of "magazine")
 
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cytg111

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Oh for fucks sake… dial it back not up… Lets hope Israel takes its foot off the pedal and things deescalate…
 

HomerJS

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Have we had a neutral party go into the blast site and do an analysis? Can't a UN group do it?
 
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