Surely life for Israelis under Israeli Democracy such as it is, is better than life for Palestinians under Hamas. And while there are tragic reasons for that in my opinion, it is still a fact. And just as we worry about Mega Republicans holding the majority in the US and doing who knows what damage, I can't imagine Israelis having nightmares at the thought of an Arab majority there.This post is everything wrong with the Israeli-American relationship. I understand the US has geopolitical interests in supporting countries as in Ukraine. But in at least that situation there's a morality underpinning Ukraine's struggle. As you said, here we're basically the weapons provider for a regional bully hell bent on stealing land and oppressing the original owners to get it. I don't want young Americans dying for that.
A flock of um flew over that time....................Claiming that the "west" invented Judaism in about 1948 has to be the most incoherent thing you've ever said, and that's saying a lot.
It's sort of an unspoken rule that the US govt attempts to stabilize regions of the world in order to protect itself and it's interests. This is different from countries like Russia, who attempt to destabilize regions to create opportunities in the chaos. I think the US sees Israel as one of those bastions of stability, and honestly doesn't care too much about the effects of others nearby, as long as it doesn't create too many more terror cells anyhow.This post is everything wrong with the Israeli-American relationship. I understand the US has geopolitical interests in supporting countries as in Ukraine. But in at least that situation there's a morality underpinning Ukraine's struggle. As you said, here we're basically the weapons provider for a regional bully hell bent on stealing land and oppressing the original owners to get it. I don't want young Americans dying for that.
It's sort of an unspoken rule that the US govt attempts to stabilize regions of the world in order to protect itself and it's interests. This is different from countries like Russia, who attempt to destabilize regions to create opportunities in the chaos. I think the US sees Israel as one of those bastions of stability, and honestly doesn't care too much about the effects of others nearby, as long as it doesn't create too many more terror cells anyhow.
It's sort of an unspoken rule that the US govt attempts to stabilize regions of the world in order to protect itself and it's interests. This is different from countries like Russia, who attempt to destabilize regions to create opportunities in the chaos. I think the US sees Israel as one of those bastions of stability, and honestly doesn't care too much about the effects of others nearby, as long as it doesn't create too many more terror cells anyhow.
The settlements are just straight evil. Along with the armed settlers who ethnically cleanse the areas. Along with Netanyahu. Hamas and them are the same coin, just two different faces.I don't harbor any naivete about what the US does at times to protect it's/my interests. I'm an American, so it is what it is. But, given the growth of other World Powers, I think the world in which the US can use it's hard power as they are with Israel is gone. And I do fear that there will be a rise in terror over this. As I said, I've never seen such hatred and animosity toward the US from my International friends. Look what is happening with France in Africa. So, the question should be, what interests is this policy (which is clearly amoral in my book) serving? Is it net-net keeping the US safer? I don't think so. So if it's amoral and not keeping us safer, why are we supporting it? We should have put our foot down a long time ago at a minimum, when it came to the illegal settlements. It reeks of Colonialism.
That was a grade A error.Former Congressman Justin Amash lost several relatives when Israel bombed the church yesterday
That was a grade A error.
Israel is claiming they hit a C&C center next to the church, but that is one serious bomb damage assessment screw up.
Dropping a church doesn't play well anywhere in the western world. We are all grade A hypocrites.
The weird thing is I am an atheist and I somehow care more about the church being partially damaged then the 11 the mosques that have been destroyed so far. Culture and background plays to strong effect.
They flattened another Mosque the day before that...IDF has leveled at least 11 of them, all of them before Biden even bothered to fly over there to give Bibi a fistbump, it's only going to get worseThat was a grade A error.
Israel is claiming they hit a C&C center next to the church, but that is one serious bomb damage assessment screw up.
Dropping a church doesn't play well anywhere on this side of the pond.
Bullshit. The US has itself destabilized regions, and often caused big problems with multiple interventions. It's a streaky record.It's sort of an unspoken rule that the US govt attempts to stabilize regions of the world in order to protect itself and it's interests. This is different from countries like Russia, who attempt to destabilize regions to create opportunities in the chaos. I think the US sees Israel as one of those bastions of stability, and honestly doesn't care too much about the effects of others nearby, as long as it doesn't create too many more terror cells anyhow.
Additional details came in a later edit on the article. My bad.Just cuz we shot it out of the sky doesn't mean we were the targets. The article specifically states as such.
Democracy? No. Our enemies should be left a burning trash heap.Exactly! Just like we gifted their neighboring state Afghanistan democracy and freedom!
Yeah, we figured out destabilizing dictatorships to install a new dictatorship went poorly. We generally don't do it anymore.Bullshit. The US has itself destabilized regions, and often caused big problems with multiple interventions. It's a streaky record.
My response was immediately after you posted the article. One of us read it, one of us did not.Additional details came in a later edit on the article. My bad.
IMO I think the Israeli/US relationship also has a strong cultural and Cold War angle. European Jews really built the Israeli state, and they brought a western culture to a place most Americans would have thought of as alien strange, Arab states not sharing the same cultural lineage as the US.
There seems to be a good deal of people in this thread that aren't in the USA or haven't ever lived here at some point ... I don't know what it's like where you are, but this is an American take on this situation:
Israel is basically our avatar in the Middle East. At some point in time, we basically adopted Israel as our pet project. Nobody is kicking our pet. That's our pet and nobody is kicking it. We provide unconditional iron-clad support to Israel. It's a symbiotic relationship, we throw them bones and largely whatever they ask for. In exchange, we are able to expand our sphere of influence into the Middle East via a stable, reliable ally that we have some leverage with. This is a very condensed, simplistic layman's example. At the end of the day, it's not far off the mark. Depending from where you're standing, it can look dead-on.
We can and we will do whatever we can for Israel. Here in the United States we have many Jewish people in high positions of power. They're sprinkled from the very bedrock to the upper echelon of society here. From almost any private industry you can think of to government. From the average garbage person or custodian to mega-billionaires. We keep some of these people happy by keeping Israel happy. Right now, there's some seriously pissed off people with deep pockets in the USA. You can be assured they aren't the only ones, and some have a hell of a lot of influence and pull.
This is why Israel can and will largely do whatever they want because if they don't get to shit is going to hit the fan here at home. It's better to let all the bullshit stay over in the Middle East. We can deal with some demonstrations. People demonstrate over everything here. It's another flash in the pan, another drop in the bucket. These demonstrators will face repercussions. There will be backlash, and they will pay the price.
Be assured and guaranteed, the Israel-USA machine will continue to churn. Rules and regulations will be rewritten to accommodate Israel should it come down to it or just flat-out ignored. We don't dispatch a pair of carrier strike groups for fun and games. Besides, we want the next iteration of Core architecture coming out of Israel for Intel. Intel's Israeli IDC team has been balls-deep for nearly half a century.
I'm not giving a pass to anyone, or anything. I'm saying from my perspective of how things are and why they are as an American for anyone not-American, explaining part of the reasoning of why we're supporting Israel as much as we are. I ain't got anything else that comes to mind at the moment, there you go.