Worth watching16 years ago, Jimmy Carter had described the situation in the Occupied Territories as "horrendous". Since then Israel has only ratcheted things up year by year. And made sure the MSM was primarily focused on the Kardashians.
But in the days since, as new evidence contradicting the Hamas claim has emerged, the Gazan authorities have changed their story about the blast. Spokespeople have released death tolls varying from 500 to 833, before settling on 471.
The Hamas-run health ministry has also declined to release further details about those 471 victims, and all traces of the munition have seemingly vanished from the site of the blast, making it impossible to assess its provenance. Raising further questions about Hamas’s claims, the impact site turned out to be the hospital parking lot, and not the hospital itself.
On Sunday, Hamas turned down requests by The Times to view any available evidence of the munition it said had struck the hospital, claiming that it had disintegrated beyond recognition.
I think that the above speaks for itself, if there's anyone that still thinks that Israelis did it, or that there were actually 500 killed in that blast.
That's the point. We shouldn't take the word of Israel or Hamas. Should be an investigation by an international force.Hamas Fails to Make Case That Israel Struck Hospital
A senior Hamas official says “nothing is left” of the munition that hit the Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza City last week, killing hundreds. Israel says the explosion was caused by a misfired Palestinian rocket.www.nytimes.com
I think that the above speaks for itself, if there's anyone that still thinks that Israelis did it, or that there were actually 500 killed in that blast.
The UN over the decades hasn't shown itself to be a neutral party when dealing with Israel.
Video Analysis Shows Gaza Hospital Hit By Rocket Meant for Israel | WSJ
CNN forensic analysis suggests what may have caused Gaza hospital blast
So basically 1 case?
How about the IAEA? They should know something about munitions.To be fair, the UN has never been 'neutral' with respect to anything. How could it be, when it's just made up of its member states, a large proportion of which are not democracies, and many of which are easily 'bought' by countries with wealth and power? It's always been more of a talking shop and pious hope than a useful functioning entity, at least when it comes to anything involving conflicting interests between countries.
NYT has issued a retraction/apology for their coverage of the hospital explosion. Basically was an "oops, we shouldn't have taken Hamas' word for it when the # of deaths and the destruction never matched their claims. our bad." kind of vibe.
The most troubling aspect of the reporting to me, the part that lent what I considered to be credibility, was the reference by WHO and Doctors Without Borders being quoted as saying that Israeli attacks on hospitals and ambulances were events the two groups were aware of and presented in a manner that would suggest such attacks are par for the course. So, while it became quickly clear that the suggestion the Israelis were responsible for the attack quickly shifted to a Palestinian rocket, I have seen nothing to suggest the two organizations above did not say want was quoted or that the statements were fabricated. And naturally people in those organizations can also be wrong.Yep. More:
How the Media Got the Hospital Explosion Wrong
Amplifying dubious Hamas claims caused real damage. No wonder public trust in news reporting is so low.www.theatlantic.com
“The commander told us to stomp in their heads, behead them. Do whatever you want with them ... chop off their legs ... Hamas became ISIS ... They became animals, it's things persons don't do. Beheading people, having sex with dead bodies. Meaning, the body of a dead young woman, it's a body, it's not humans that do that"
"And things like that happened?"
"Yes".
I don't look at this issue from the point of view of who is justified to use violence or not. It seems rather clear that Hamas is full of monsters. I look at the fact that there are tons and tons of different religions in the world and the West decided to create one whole cloth in a place where many religions claim are holy. It's called the Holy Land for a reason. In my opinion that was a titanic disaster because the instant result was that Muslims in particular would go to the ends of the earth to keep that from happening. The result of that, of course, is the realization that only extreme brutality and long term humiliation of the resisters became the simple minded way to entrench the Jewish State. Israelis believe they deserve what no other democracy can claim, the right to live in a Zionist nation.
In my opinion that insistence has created and made worse the savagery of the people Israel seeks to replace.
As for Jews not all agreeing on anything, the ones that could see the path Israel went down would lead to exactly what we see today. Some opinions accord with reality and some do not. Now we see a race to discover who can wipe out whom. The Jews managed to get themselves hated by large numbers of people. When you try to humiliate people that is what they will do.
I why wonder why the NYT didnt do a similar piece on the 40 beheaded babies that the Israelis all the way up to N'yahoos spokesman were peddling.
Do you know how easy it is to fake these vids? You are dealing with two sides at war who will cheat, twist, lie, and do everything in their power to sway public opinion. Israel has 1000s of Palestinians in custody who can be coerced into doing literally ANYTHING they set their mind to.
Do you know how easy it is to fake these vids? You are dealing with two sides at war who will cheat, twist, lie, and do everything in their power to sway public opinion. Israel has 1000s of Palestinians in custody who can be coerced into doing literally ANYTHING they set their mind to.
And the US and most of the western world keeps siding with Isreal. It sickens me.That's pretty much it I can't stand Hamas and I can't stand the Israeli government and at this point they're both just as untrustworthy as the other.
APPTHJSISTDNOTIHow about the IAEA? They should know something about munitions.
And the US and most of the western world keeps siding with Isreal. It sickens me.
Did you think they would side with the terrorists?
How is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians not terrorism?Did you think they would side with the terrorists?
How is what Israel has been doing to Palestinians not terrorism?
It's complicated but I would say Israel has lowered their standards to Hamas's.Are you labeling Israel a terrorist state?
was South Africa during pre ~1994 a terrorist state ?Are you labeling Israel a terrorist state?
You are asking me what my solution is to the fact that people are programmed machines who identify with external things. The idea of European, White, Jewish Christian, Arab are beliefs in a delusional state based on thought that divides by naming things. All that someone who is real is, is present. They are nobodies because they are everything they reflect like a mirror. Those who are awake are among friends. Those who sleep have nightmares. I have no solution other than to say I believe it is possible to awaken. We are given identities by others and told they are sacred. What is sacred about them? You can't stop others from believing you are a Jew but you can stop being one yourself. Isn't the real purpose of monotheistic religions to love God so much that the self disappears? The Jew, Christian, or Muslim that finds realization via their religion is no longer defined by that religion. A bridge is left behind after the crossing.I'm curious what is your solution to the ancient problem of anti-semitism amongst your own people, and by that, I mean white Europeans, assuming you belong to that group, which is highly probable. This anti-semitism has resulted in not only one but multiple genocides and is the principle reason the Jewish religion is so small compared to Christianity and Islam. The first Jews to come to Palestine in the modern era were fleeing from Russian pogroms that killed about 1.5 million Jews in the 19th century alone. And they were greeted with hostility and violence by many of the local Arabs. Just like the places they were fleeing from. A single state there with an Arab majority would result in persecution of Jews all over again and would turn it in to yet another third world dump without democracy. Because the Arabs have never formed a democracy. As we have learned from our own experience here, bigoted, ultra-religious right wing cultures have no taste for democracy.
So I guess you have to decide who's side you're on here. It's perfectly fine to say you are on the side of all humans, but then you need to back something specific that protects everyone's safety and security. Because the Jews are not going to risk anything that puts them in harms way ever again. And they know exactly what it means when white Europeans complain about how uppity the Jews have suddenly become. Well now that the Jews have a state with a powerful military, their response is a big FU to that. They know better than to listen to white Europeans with their history of persecuting Jews, blacks, natives, and anyone else not like them, when they claim to be great humanitarians. They created this mess to start with, and they're not going to solve it by screwing over those they persecuted in the past.