You assume "The Intercept" is a legitimate source of news information. Which puts your well known "fact(s)" on shaky ground.
Its well known fact with Multiple Israel official admiting funding Hamas to oppose Yaser Arafat.
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
Hamas wants to destroy Israel, right? But as Mehdi Hasan shows in a new video on blowback, Israeli officials admit they helped start the group.theintercept.com
After Yasir Arafat death, Hamas had no one to Oppose they became villain and Israel started Bombing them.
Source is not the Interceptor, I put that link as Aggregator so you can see all Israel leaders who admit funding and source of it.You assume "The Intercept" is a legitimate source of news information. Which puts your well known "fact(s)" on shaky ground.
Source is not the Interceptor, I put that link as Aggregator so you can see all Israel leaders who admit funding and source of it.
Like Cohen, Hacham source is WSJ
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ.com
Andrew Higgins on how Israel's decades-long dealings with Palestinian Islamists reveal a catalog of unintended and often perilous consequences.web.archive.org
And Yitzhak is NYT interview which he linked book.
The Israeli government helped fund Hamas as part of Netanyahu's strategy, to weaken the PA. They've been pushing hundreds of millions of dollars from Qatar for years.Did you read your own link? It reveals the statement “Israel created Hamas” as obvious hyperbole. The same person says “For years Israel tolerated, and, at times, encouraged Hamas.” Which sounds like a far cry from creating them.
Also, the article explains that Hamas wasn’t a terrorist organization then. But PLO was. Some in the Israeli government thought the Islamists would have a more peaceful approach to Israel than plo, and turned out to be wrong. That is what the quoted Israeli is complaining about, that he supposedly warned them that this would happen and they didn’t listen. Yet I’d like to see some concrete proof of significant material aid because “tolerated and at times encouraged” doesn’t sound like much to me.
Your Intercept article stripped away all that context and chose to quote mine instead because its a dishonest publication which. was founded by a pro Trump fascist who sometimes masquerades as a leftist.
^^^ THIS! The idea being casually bruited about that Israel created Hamas is a wildly overblown take which I now see here and elsewhere bluntly stated as pristine fact. It infantilizes our idea of the Palestinian people as lacking any agency of their own and ignores the conditions in Palestine -- brutal, long-standing Israeli oppression and PLO corruption -- that led to the rise of Hamas.Did you read your own link? It reveals the statement “Israel created Hamas” as obvious hyperbole. The same person says “For years Israel tolerated, and, at times, encouraged Hamas.” Which sounds like a far cry from creating them.
Statement by UN Secretary General. Agree or disagree with statement. I agree with it.
The Israeli government helped fund Hamas as part of Netanyahu's strategy, to weaken the PA. They've been pushing hundreds of millions of dollars from Qatar for years.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel’s regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday’s Likud faction meeting said.Netanyahu explained that, in the past, the PA transferred the millions of dollars to Hamas in Gaza. He argued that it was better for Israel to serve as the pipeline to ensure the funds don’t go to terrorism. “Now that we are supervising, we know it’s going to humanitarian causes,” the source said, paraphrasing Netanyahu.
I don't think there's any winning at this point. Just losing folding over more losing until there's nothing left to fight over.I'm not really sure what the Palestinians could do to try to affect change and get their stolen lands and oppressive occupation stopped. Without outside intense financial pressure Israel will continue on the same path. Obviously what Hamas just did is unacceptable, perhaps they could have targeted the Israeli leadership, but either way they can't win.
^^^ THIS! The idea being casually bruited about that Israel created Hamas is a wildly overblown take which I now see here and elsewhere bluntly stated as pristine fact. It infantilizes our idea of the Palestinian people as lacking any agency of their own and ignores the conditions in Palestine -- brutal, long-standing Israeli oppression and PLO corruption -- that led to the rise of Hamas.
He only has a job because the country is at war and, like with 911, the country is largely united. Once the war is over, I'm 99% sure he will get bounced. If he doesn't, then the level of corruption in Israel's gov't is of seismic proportions.Clearly Netanyahu and his Likud cronies blew it here. I see nothing more conspiratorial than that.
Two things. Active adoption of the two state solution. Active non-violent resistance.I'm not really sure what the Palestinians could do to try to affect change and get their stolen lands and oppressive occupation stopped. Without outside intense financial pressure Israel will continue on the same path. Obviously what Hamas just did is unacceptable, perhaps they could have targeted the Israeli leadership, but either way they can't win.
Bibi definitely propped up Hamas because he was against a 2 state solution.^^^ THIS! The idea being casually bruited about that Israel created Hamas is a wildly overblown take which I now see here and elsewhere bluntly stated as pristine fact. It infantilizes our idea of the Palestinian people as lacking any agency of their own and ignores the conditions in Palestine -- brutal, long-standing Israeli oppression and PLO corruption -- that led to the rise of Hamas.
Because there is a big power bloc inside Israel that don't believe in a 2 state solution. They want it all. Its exactly the same on the Palestinians side. Both blocs don't have an issue in using violence as needed.Ugh ok here goes nothing (find that part of your brain that still has some intellectual curiosity left): why doesn't Israel unilaterally impose a 2 state solution on Palestinians.
Who do you believe? A certified, extreme right wing liar with a history of lying... or this guy?Sorry that I arrived late to the party.....
As a double-plus bonus to what @RnR_au said, I'm pretty sure Israel 'annexing' the Palestinian territories activate the Muslim trap card, and they immediately enter war with a billion citizens of our fair planet.Ugh ok here goes nothing (find that part of your brain that still has some intellectual curiosity left): why doesn't Israel unilaterally impose a 2 state solution on Palestinians.
I'm of Indian descent, and I've done some thinking about British colonial rule in India. 95% of it was turbo fucked exploitative racist bullshit, but that last 5%, where infrastructure and institutions were built to aid India's transition to an independent nation (less said about the state of those now the better), it does make me wonder how that experiment repeated with maybe... 50% of the turbo fucked stuff would turn out instead.
What if Israel annexes the West Bank and Gaza, builds up infrastructure in southern Israel (basically a strip of land from where Gaza currently is all the way to Jordan across southern Israel) moves all Palestinians into that Territory and then (wait for it) actually administers the area as a vasal with the purpose of Palestine one day being a free state but with the infrastructure and institutional scaffolding built by the Israelis.
Colonialism not for the sake of exploitation but for progress and peace. I know it sounds fucked and there is a high chance it would fail for any of a 1000 different reasons, but Jiminy Fucking Christ anything is better than this perpetual status quo.
Republicans set to punish Rashida Talib for saying Israel is an apartheid state, which they are. This same party associates and support anti-Semites and white nationalists. This same party calls insurrectionists patriots.
They have yet to punish...
Steve Scalise
MTG
Paul Gosar
Trump
Steve King
These are all people who have associated with anti-Semites.
Rashida Tlaib Faces Punishment
The Israeli government is evil, Republicans are evil, and Hamas terrorism is evil.
I hope we can all agree on these glaring facts.
There's also the Christian fundies who only care about the Rapture and how soon it can come. They believe that war in the Holy Land is pre-ordained in the Bible to kick it off and have been funding things like illegal Jewish settlements on Palestinian land. They've poured millions of dollars into this and won't be happy about peace and a 2 state solution.Because there is a big power bloc inside Israel that don't believe in a 2 state solution. They want it all. Its exactly the same on the Palestinians side. Both blocs don't have an issue in using violence as needed.
And then you get Russia and Iran messing about. I don't think you will get peace in the Levant until Russia and Iran has had their much needed internal revolutions.