Israel: We Are At War

Page 82 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Brovane

Diamond Member
Dec 18, 2001
5,673
1,951
136
Let's suppose Israel does eliminate Hamas. Do you think the next generation is going to forget what happened? There will be Hamas 2.0. As it turns out, when you kill a lot of people, it makes their friends want to kill you in return. It's not like we learned this over the course of 20 years occupying Afghanistan and Iraq

Do Japanese want to kill Americans because we nuked them in WW2? Or how about the Germans wanting to kill Americans because of what US Bombers did to German cities during WW2? Germany and Japan are strong allies of the US now.
 

amenx

Diamond Member
Dec 17, 2004
4,107
2,379
136
Its important for the Israeli narrative to associate Hamas with ISIS, two very different entities in ideology and tactics. ISIS is Salafi and target all non-Muslims they encounter. Hamas has no issue with Christians and Jews per se (Gaza has churches and had Israeli journalists reporting from there in past, ie, Amira Haas). They have stated many times their issue is not with Jews but with Zionists. Hamas primarily target Israelis, esp IDF in Israeli proper, but they also associate civilians of fighting age as part of the IDF as its mandatory for all Israelis, men and women to serve with the IDF when they turn 18 (2 years or more) and thus have fighting skills and can be armed and dangerous.

Hamas has never beheaded anyone in past terror attacks, only ISIS has. Hamas I believe is more aware of negative jouralism that can affect their cause, but although civilians have been killed in their attacks, there is no history of them committing gratuitously barbaric attacks like cutting off limbs of defenseless victims or babies. Even ISIS have never done that as the consider any child as a potential future Muslim under 'proper guidance'. ISIS also consider Hamas to be 'heretic' due to their close ties with Shi'ite Iran. So there is a big difference between the 2 entities that much of the west is utterly clueless about and which the Israelis like to exploit with their Hamas=ISIS narrative.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
15,301
13,613
146
Do Japanese want to kill Americans because we nuked them in WW2? Or how about the Germans wanting to kill Americans because of what US Bombers did to German cities during WW2? Germany and Japan are strong allies of the US now.
Shockingly, when the two parties can come to the table after the fact and have an adult conversation not backed by murderous fervor fueled by bedtime stories... You can actually move past the old hatreds.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
27,673
26,796
136
Do Japanese want to kill Americans because we nuked them in WW2? Or how about the Germans wanting to kill Americans because of what US Bombers did to German cities during WW2? Germany and Japan are strong allies of the US now.
BOTH sides will have to be willing to give something major up for there to be any hope of lasting change in the region. Don’t see the current leaders on either side as having the will to do that. The crazies on both sides are what fuels this never ending shit show and they need each other to maintain power.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
23,110
21,234
136
I remember that kuwaiti girl testifying to the Edit: Congress, not the UN, about the Iraqi soldiers killing incubated babies. I think by turning the power off but that detail I am hazy on. Got a TON of media attention. And how much support that gave to the Kuwaitis from the public and against Iraq.

Of course, it was found out much later, she was just a propaganda piece and it was all a setup.

I can't believe people eat these bullshit Israeli propaganda pieces up. If Israel was an honest actor maybe, but they have been dishonest, running an apartheid state, and terrorists for decades now.

Edit: Here's an article about that fake propaganda. You can find these in major media like the Washington Post and NYT< but paywalled

 
Last edited:
Reactions: KMFJD

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
30,031
45,271
136
Some horrendous statistics from Al Jazeera


Women, children and the elderly make up 73 percent of those killed by Israeli bombardments in Gaza.


Among the victims are:


  • 133 babies below the age of one
  • 482 toddlers (1-3 years old)
  • 344 preschoolers (4-5 years old)
  • 1,042 primary school children (6-12 years old)
  • 664 high school children (13-17 years old)
  • 966 young adults (18-25 years old)
  • 2,506 adults (26-55 years old)
  • 521 Naksa survivors (56-74 years old)
  • 89 Nakba survivors (75+ years old)

The oldest victim so far was 93-year-old Mahdiya Abdullah Abdul Wahab Halawa.
 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
16,094
8,109
136
Well, if this keeps up - Gaza will look like Aleppo in 2-3 months. The using precision weapons in such a densely populated region causes quite a bit of collateral damage. The IDF is very hesitant at engaging in door to door combat thus far. This will be particularly dangerous to their reservists until they learn the hard way how to stay alive.

The international outcry, and behind the scenes push back by the US, will likely be falling on deaf ears. One merely needs to look at Syria with what Bashir al-Assad and the Russians did to a civilian population in an effort to wipe out a relatively small number of insurgents. The Biden admin probably only has the power to slow their roll. They pretty much went all in on supporting the Israel war on HAMAS. Placating the Arab nations around us just doesn't earn us much good will. He made a choice that would be extremely difficult to back out of. Israel would pretty much need to start fire bombing Gaza or lob some tactical nukes in Gaza to get the US to drop Israel like a hot rock and walk away.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,127
10,972
136
Well, if this keeps up - Gaza will look like Aleppo in 2-3 months. The using precision weapons in such a densely populated region causes quite a bit of collateral damage. The IDF is very hesitant at engaging in door to door combat thus far. This will be particularly dangerous to their reservists until they learn the hard way how to stay alive.

The international outcry, and behind the scenes push back by the US, will likely be falling on deaf ears. One merely needs to look at Syria with what Bashir al-Assad and the Russians did to a civilian population in an effort to wipe out a relatively small number of insurgents. The Biden admin probably only has the power to slow their roll. They pretty much went all in on supporting the Israel war on HAMAS. Placating the Arab nations around us just doesn't earn us much good will. He made a choice that would be extremely difficult to back out of. Israel would pretty much need to start fire bombing Gaza or lob some tactical nukes in Gaza to get the US to drop Israel like a hot rock and walk away.
I think even if any president balked at supporting Israel, there would be so much domestic political fallout for that, that he'd be dead in the water. There is a lot of blind support for Israel, especially when it comes to conservative Christianity IMO
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
23,110
21,234
136
I think even if any president balked at supporting Israel, there would be so much domestic political fallout for that, that he'd be dead in the water. There is a lot of blind support for Israel, especially when it comes to conservative Christianity IMO

This is the standard playbook, but why should Biden cater to the Conservative Christianity Rapture fantasy? It's about time a president take a stand on Israel. Now of course, you have to do this in steps, not just say BYE ISRAEL, but just throwing your support to Israel as your initial response every time, it's just wrong.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
34,019
8,056
136
^ Relying on Israelis for info (IDF or medics working for the state) will always be questionable. Like the 40 beheaded babies story. Israel has tremendous motive for the spreading of such stories to justify their current actions in Gaza. How convenient for them to present this story now and not having reported it weeks ago in the early days of the Hamas attack.
Hamas massacred 1,300+ people.
And you expect each and every individual account of that atrocity to be on your screen the next day, or even the next week?
Your propaganda is showing.
 
Reactions: Leeea and pcgeek11

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
34,019
8,056
136
Let's suppose Israel does eliminate Hamas. Do you think the next generation is going to forget what happened? There will be Hamas 2.0. As it turns out, when you kill a lot of people, it makes their friends want to kill you in return. It's not like we learned this over the course of 20 years occupying Afghanistan and Iraq
The United States did not conquer to claim and posses Afghanistan or Iraq. The comparison is horrendously misplaced.

Gaza must forever more be placed under Israeli military and security control. Hamas ended dual existence in a blood bath, coexistence and integration is the only path forward that will not lead to more blood baths down the road. No arms, no weapons. A complete shutdown of terrorist operation and functionality. Both militarily and socially.

Israel must fully commit to Gaza now, or there will continue to be unending violence as you say.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
32,127
10,972
136
The United States did not conquer to claim and posses Afghanistan or Iraq. The comparison is horrendously misplaced.

Gaza must forever more be placed under Israeli military and security control. Hamas ended dual existence in a blood bath, coexistence and integration is the only path forward that will not lead to more blood baths down the road. No arms, no weapons. A complete shutdown of terrorist operation and functionality. Both militarily and socially.

Israel must fully commit to Gaza now, or there will continue to be unending violence as you say.
If you live in my house for 20 years, it starts to feel like your house even if you're technically a renter. No, we didn't intend to conquer those countries and annex them into the US. But we absolutely bore the fruit of our occupation. Children who grew into adults who fought against us because we were on their land, blowing up their buildings, and killing the neighbors, friends, or relatives.

And I definitely did not say the bolded. One of our biggest geopolitical mistakes in my lifetime so far (I'm a comparative youngin on these boards) was going into Afghanistan (to say nothing of Iraq) in the first place.
 
Reactions: cytg111

amenx

Diamond Member
Dec 17, 2004
4,107
2,379
136
Lots of the victims of Oct 7
Hamas massacred 1,300+ people.
And you expect each and every individual account of that atrocity to be on your screen the next day, or even the next week?
Your propaganda is showing.
And you swallowed the 40 beheaded babies story with no skepticism at all. Your gullibility has been showing.
 

amenx

Diamond Member
Dec 17, 2004
4,107
2,379
136
Max Blumenthal with damning report on events of Oct 7. A lot of the casualties were victims of friendly fire. As confirmed by Israelis on the scene themselves.

 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
16,094
8,109
136
I think even if any president balked at supporting Israel, there would be so much domestic political fallout for that, that he'd be dead in the water.
That's probably a fair point. Honestly, I don't really understand the surprising amount of support in the US for Israel. It's an area I haven't really looked into.
There is a lot of blind support for Israel, especially when it comes to conservative Christianity IMO
This is true, especially from Evangelicals. Catholics pray for the second coming of the Lord, because He returns in full glory and creates a new heaven and earth for the saved - but we're in no rush. The Evangelicals want to force the realization of that day using political means via Israel - like God can be forced into doing anything.

Like everything to do with the Middle East - SNAFU.
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
10,868
1,516
126
Some horrendous statistics from Al Jazeera


Women, children and the elderly make up 73 percent of those killed by Israeli bombardments in Gaza.


Among the victims are:


  • 133 babies below the age of one
  • 482 toddlers (1-3 years old)
  • 344 preschoolers (4-5 years old)
  • 1,042 primary school children (6-12 years old)
  • 664 high school children (13-17 years old)
  • 966 young adults (18-25 years old)
  • 2,506 adults (26-55 years old)
  • 521 Naksa survivors (56-74 years old)
  • 89 Nakba survivors (75+ years old)

The oldest victim so far was 93-year-old Mahdiya Abdullah Abdul Wahab Halawa.
Pretty amazing that Hamas was able to have these names and numbers documented so quickly after the attacks...To be able to sift through all destroyed buildings and positively count and then identify each of the victims is truly a spectacular effort. It was almost as if the lists had been prepared ahead of time...

Almost as amazing that all of the victims seems to be civilians and not a single Hamas fighter was killed in the strikes...
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
34,019
8,056
136
Lots of the victims of Oct 7

And you swallowed the 40 beheaded babies story with no skepticism at all. Your gullibility has been showing.
Whether that particular detail was true or not, it changes nothing regarding the massacre.
Same with the one hospital in Gaza. It was a largely fake story, but that was pointless. Israel really is blowing the hell out of Gaza. The detail people fixated on was not correct, but the greater issue remained true.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
30,031
45,271
136
yesterday was a terrible day for IDF casualties (16 confirmed so far)

according to spacejamz though, i am making this shit up


16 young people that would still be alive today if not for this bullshit

/love you though @spacejamez , take care and read a bit outside your safe space
 
Last edited:
Reactions: Leeea

KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
30,031
45,271
136
Can’t say I’d be a big fan of Freudian slips speaking a non-native tongue. You have to juggle two concepts, are and are not and put it together with victim and aggressor. Doubt he would have made that mistake in Hebrew.
Yes agreed, just as what is translated word for word sometimes loses a lot of meaning/nuance

Meanwhile idf...

 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
28,775
40,266
136
Netanyahu makes me sick, just another religious fuckwad using a book to justify genocide it seems.


"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 'Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys'"


Israelis need to boot that asshole from office, stat. It can't wait for a later reckoning like what happened after the Yom Kippur War.
 
Reactions: Brovane and Leeea
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |