So to be clear you're cool with mass civilian casualties?You clearly already have already made a judgement that Israel is violating the laws of war.
As far as Hamas and using Hospitals as cover. Hamas has already shown that it doesn't follow any laws of war. So yes, I think Hamas is using Hospitals as HQ's because of other actions they have taken. Hamas has been pulling this type of stuff for a long time.
The hospital, maybe. The people in it, no. Those are at minimum still innocent civilians, or at worst they are hostages.When Hamas uses a Hospital basement as their HQ's the Hospital is no longer a protected site under the Geneva Convention.
You can claim that Israel is violating the Geneva Convention but with how Hamas fights and embeds itself in the Civilian population of Gaza means that the claims that Israel is violating the rules of war quickly fall apart because of the actions of Hamas.
Even worse, IMHO, is saying evacuate from X to Y and then bombing Y. No safe haven. At least 'some' aid is getting into the south, but it isn’t sustainable. Israel doesn’t have much time to before they let in much, much more aid. Day by day more countries are denouncing Israel's actions and domestic pressure is building at home for the Biden Admin to go from behind the scenes diplomacy to a publicly announced pressure campaign.2. Telling people to "evacuate to x area" and then when they do bombing x area is more than a little problematic.
This current escalation did.This didn’t start with Hamas on Oct 7
So to be clear you're cool with mass civilian casualties?
The hospital, maybe. The people in it, no. Those are at minimum still innocent civilians, or at worst they are hostages.
Also, do bear in mind that the persons telling us that the hospital basement is housing an HQ are the ones blowing it up.
If that is what it takes to take down Hamas, yes.
Just like it took mass civilian casualties to defeat the Axis during WW2.
Do you think Hamas is going to admit they are using the Hospital basement as a HQ?
Next you'll be telling us 9-11 was an inside job. Is that your play?Israel has such good intelligence about every hiding place of Hamas in Gaza all of a sudden, that they can bomb with pinpoint precision, but they couldn't figure out that a couple thousand Hamas members were going to invade Israel. Also Israel has a long history of not killing Palestinian civilians, nor journalists, nor disregarding UN resolutions on settlements, nor creating an apartheid state open air prison oppressing millions like cattle for decades.
I got a bridge to sell you genocide supporters.
If that is what it takes to take down Hamas, yes.
No. I am not required to believe either of them. I do however know who's blowing up what based on where the explodies are flying from.Do you think Hamas is going to admit they are using the Hospital basement as a HQ?
I didn't say it was an inside job that's all projection on your part.Next you'll be telling us 9-11 was an inside job. Is that your play?
As for "Genocide supporters", you have no alternative resolution.
Other than thoughts and prayers that Hamas behaves. Yours is a lie that will get more people killed in perpetual violence. Taking Gaza and securing it is the only proper resolution to this war. Or Hamas will just strike again and again. Resulting in retaliation again and again. Doesn't it need to end, haven't enough people died? That only happens when Hamas is brought to an end. There is a price to be paid for starting a war they cannot win, for vowing unending war, and for using civilians as shields. The cost in lives to stop Hamas is on Hamas.
Sometimes war is the solution. When you are mature enough to understand that, you can have a rational discussion of the issues at hand. Until then, you'll scream bloody murder when Israel does the killing, but you'll remain silent or find excuses when Hamas starts the bloodshed.
It's sad you think that's going to be the outcome. When this is all done, lots of blood will have been spilled and Hamas will still exist and will be provided with it's next generation of recruits to radicalize.
Is Nazi Germany still a problem? No it isn't because the Allies did what was necessary to destroy it. The US nuked Japan, twice and they are now one of the US's closest allies because we freed the Japanese people from a military government that didn't care how many civilians died to further their ambitions.
This happened because the Allies where willing to take the steps necessary to completely change both Japanese and German society and help rebuild both countries. It will remain to be seen if Israel is willing to follow through with this once they destroy Hamas.
Except Israel will not destroy Hamas. It's military capability will be significantly degraded for a period of time but the POLITICAL arm will assuredly remain and already exists outside of Gaza. The problem is you're confusing Hamas with a nation state.Is Nazi Germany still a problem? No it isn't because the Allies did what was necessary to destroy it. The US nuked Japan, twice and they are now one of the US's closest allies because we freed the Japanese people from a military government that didn't care how many civilians died to further their ambitions.
This happened because the Allies where willing to take the steps necessary to completely change both Japanese and German society and help rebuild both countries. It will remain to be seen if Israel is willing to follow through with this once they destroy Hamas.
To say that people living on land for multiple generations didn't really own it and use that as justification to give it to someone else
What I said and you quoted me, was that the Arabs living in the area didnt have their own country because those lands were under Ottoman rule.
They were given an opportunity to create a country for their own in 1947 and they rejected it. They simple didnt want the Jews and a state of Israel next to them.
Unfortunately for them , the British wanted to create a state for the Jews after the holocausts in the lands the Israelites were living for centuries in the past.
I know some Arabs lost the land they were living due to the partition but in return they were given their freedom and a new beginning to create their own country after 400 years under Ottoman occupation.
They bet on the wrong horse and lost more than they could have gained back in 1947, now they only have the Gaza strip (I dont know for how long ) and the West bank, they can still create a Palestinian country. If they do, everyone will help them in reconstruction , even Israel.
But, as long as Hamas is alive, there is not even a slim chance for peace. That is why it is imperative to eliminate HAMAS and everyone else supporting HAMAS inside Gaza Strip and outside.
Except Israel will not destroy Hamas. It's military capability will be significantly degraded for a period of time but the POLITICAL arm will assuredly remain and already exists outside of Gaza. The problem is you're confusing Hamas with a nation state.
Keep staring at the trees.Hamas essentially runs and controls Gaza right now. They where a Defacto nation state.
It's mind-boggling how many dumb fuck ideas he has. Pretty sure he said within the first few pages of this thread that Israel should carpet bomb the Gaza strip to ruins.Who knew that keeping 2 million people locked up in basically a giant concentration camp could lead to violent outcomes….
Israel has no desire to “absorb” 2M non Jews. Your brilliant idea is an absolute non-starter and completely ignores the reality of Israeli politics. The only long term solution is the two state solution but that would mean that Israel would have to give up the land it has taken in the West Bank over the last 3 decades. I don’t see that as viable in Israeli politics either.
Unfortunately I think after the current blood bath is over the stage is just being set for the next spasm of violence in another 10-15 years.