Israel: We Are At War

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amenx

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Netanyahu was quick to describe the Oct 7 terror attack as Israels 9/11. Biden described it as “like fifteen 9/11s” relative to Israel’s population.

By the same proportionality, for the Palestinians, the Israeli onslaught onto Gaza would be more than 400 September 11s with no end to the killing in sight.
 

Ajay

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A two state solution is now impossible unless the Israelis are willing to give up the land they have taken in the West Bank to build settlements. I see this as very unlikely in current Israeli politics.

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Does make one shake their head. The UN partition plan was very good, IMHO. Given that Jerusalem is the nexus of the three great monotheistic religions, having under neutral UN control would have been a win for sure. Most people never see that last map - were the effective Israeli takeover of the West Bank has been insidious. The general trajectory of a displaced people given some land, only to displace others living in it is something that never should have been allowed - but no country, particularly the US, was willing to push for a return to even the 1967 status quo.
 

MrSquished

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Blinken is completely pushing back against any ceasefire, 'what would it accomplish'. Uhhh the wholesale slaughter of people

What a fucking piece of shit Biden is being. Supporting genocide by an ally that's been one of the worst allies we've ever had in the Middle East and had been dishonest constantly? Absolutely disgusting.
 
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Leeea

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Didn't see India going full Israel:



massive departure from previous policy.
 
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Leeea

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China has simply played lip service and stayed out of it:

Some hot air, but no skin in the game at all. About $2 million in humanitarian aid, which, well, is nothing.

Keep in mind the US is already committed $100 million, Canada $50 million, Germany $50 million, and Saudi Arabia kicked in $17 million.
 
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Leeea

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In other news, the various Arab states have politely asked Israel to be less violent. Jordan recalled an ambassador. Jordan also mobilized its army and moved it to the border of the west bank to make sure none of those Palestinian's decided to repeat history and try to overthrow the king a second time, or would it be a third time?

The Saudi's are the stand out donators here, having donated $17 million in humanitarian aid. But they have not figured out how to leverage that in any useful manner.

Jordan has air dropped some medical aid in, which is impressive. Jordan has also funneled $4.3 million into the UN aid operations in the Gaza strip, which is a clever way to end run the Israeli blockade every time the border crossing opens. Abdullah II is effective where others just spin uselessly.

And that is it. The rest of the Arab world is just hot air.

(note: I do not include Turkey as the Arab's certainly would not )
 
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The discussion around Palestinians yielding reminds me of this scene from this great movie, involving a military superpower beating the everliving shit out of some dirt farmers:

 

mikeymikec

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I know some Arabs lost the land they were living due to the partition but in return they were given their freedom and a new beginning to create their own country after 400 years of Ottoman occupation.

Now I'm just morbidly curious to see how deep this rabbit hole goes.

So, after the Ottoman empire was defeated, how did the Palestinians/Arabs not already have freedom?

What would the British Empire - known friend and helper of non-white people everywhere - "give" them their freedom?
 
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mikeymikec

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To people who still believe that Israel carpet-bombing civilians is an attempt to remove Hamas:

If you want the closest thing to a sure-fire guaranteed method of radicalising someone, you find people with nothing to lose and little to live for, and convince them to fight for your cause. The Palestinians who survive this atrocity will know who did it, the same oppressor they've experienced all their life and has now taken everything from them; their loved ones, their home, their livelihood.

Anyone with an ounce of empathy and objectivity knows that it's not wise to give your enemies the most ideal means to radicalise people to their cause and paint their target on your back, yet Israel is doing precisely that. The people who run Israel are not stupid, they've successfully done more than hold their own against those they perceive to be in the way of their ambitions to date.
 
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Abwx

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Since the Arabs in the Palestine NEVER had a free country since 1516 ,

Granted they had no formal state but they were still living in ancestral land, but now, since when jews had no state in palestine..?..

Curious that the argument doesn apply when it comes to israel, besides palestinians are basically jews that converted to islam circa year 620-650, jews of ashkenazi origin who were living in Europe are not even semitic and originate from caucase region, only sefardic jews are semitic...

And since jews use biblical stories as legitimation you should know that the name palestine is derived from philistine, the name of the land and inhabitants who were living there before jews allegedly imigrated from Egypt, actually sefaradic jews originate from Yemen...
Netanyahu was quick to describe the Oct 7 terror attack as Israels 9/11. Biden described it as “like fifteen 9/11s” relative to Israel’s population.

By the same proportionality, for the Palestinians, the Israeli onslaught onto Gaza would be more than 400 September 11s with no end to the killing in sight.

2550 palestinians were slaughtered in 2014 but that doesnt count as some kind of 9/11 for the usual double standard fed suspects, that s counted as business as usual...
 

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Rumors exist the IRGC aligned militias attacked US aligned AANES military forces ( the SDF ) in Syria:

however, other rumors claim it didn't go well for them:

however, other rumors claim clashes continue:
"SDF bombing outskirts of Mayadin." -> translation -> the SDF has close air support from US Air assets, which means there is a US Forward Air Controller embedded with the SDF in the area.

I wouldn't count on the IRGC assets achieving anything but getting murdered.

Between this and the Houth, and the Iraq incidents, it does look like Iran is trying to expand the conflict via proxy however.
 

Abwx

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Hamas using a hospital or other civilian building for military purposes makes it a military target. It puts the non combatants inside in an awful situation that is not of their doing but the cause is Hamas. Sure in theory Israel could not strike such targets but then they cannot really touch Hamas.

Bla bla, let s parrot the israeli propaganda since they have no prove and believe any lie that prop up someone s bias, i have a hundred bridges for sale if you are interested, galactic ROI guaranted, and of course some tunneled highways as a free bonus...

 

Leeea

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It seems Hezbollah has lost over 50 fighters on the lebanon's border with Isreal in 3 weeks:

It appears the Iranian proxy is trying to leverage nuisance attacks into Isreal, it is just failing and dieing for its efforts.


More to the pattern of Iran trying to expand the conflict via proxy.
 

Leeea

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Bla bla, let s parrot the israeli propaganda since they have no prove and believe any lie that prop up someone s bias, i have a hundred bridges for sale if you are interested, galactic ROI guaranted, and of course some tunneled highways as a free bonus...

Interesting all parties agree their is a tunnel under the hospital.

The Al Jazeera piece is speculation. Al Jazeera itself owned by Qatar, a known financer of Hamas terror and known shelter of Hamas terror leadership and political operations. Clearly a biased, unreliable, and bloodthirsty source full of burning hatred for Israel.


There is nothing preventing Hamas from using the tunnel under the hospital for military uses, or linking it to their own tunnel network. Considering the extent of the Hamas tunnel network, the history of complete disreguard for laws of war, claiming absolutely Hamas is not using said tunnel is foolishness.


We might get the truth when Isreal takes the hospital on the ground, but it is possible even then the truth will never be known. Some may claim Israel rigged the scene. That said, it will be pretty hard for Israel to rig a connection to the Hamas tunnel network.
 
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Abwx

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Interesting all parties agree their is a tunnel under the hospital.

The Al Jazeera piece is speculation. Al Jazeera itself owned by Qatar, a known financer of Hamas terror and known shelter of Hamas terror leadership and political operations. Clearly a biased, unreliable, and bloodthirsty source full of burning hatred for Israel.


There is nothing preventing Hamas from using the tunnel under the hospital for military uses, or linking it to their own tunnel network. Considering the extent of the Hamas tunnel network, the history of complete disreguard for laws of war, claiming absolutely Hamas is not using said tunnel is foolishness.


We might get the truth when Isreal takes the hospital on the ground, but it is possible even then the truth will never be known. Some may claim Israel rigged the scene. That said, it will be pretty hard for Israel to rig a connection to the Hamas tunnel network.


Al Jazzeera is a renown news channel, they wont risk their credibility, they have too much to lose, and Qatar is not a party in the conlict, you are talking as if it were a propaganda outlet, in this journalistic matters their record is better than the ones of the US channels who dont even talk of what is annoying for israel, only the israeli leftist paper Haaretz can boast a comparable credibility to Al Jazeera.

On the other hand the israeli army has nothing to lose by lying, quite the contrary, they have everything to gain if their lies are taken at face value, and their record on this matter is telling, remember the 40 beheaded babies, and what about the extent of their actual losses for october 7 since Haaretz is reporting 554 civilians deaths, we know there s also about 60 policemen but who are the others among the 1400 claimed..?.

Last but not least why didnt they provide a single picture of the deads in the kibboutz.?.
Because we could have easily guessed that there s civilians who were torned apart by heavy weapons since it s a certainity that they used tanks to regain control, that they did kill indiscriminately for the purpose and that ripped apart bodies would have been a prove about the thing.

Anyway, some statistics to highlight the savagery :

 
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AtenRa

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Now I'm just morbidly curious to see how deep this rabbit hole goes.

So, after the Ottoman empire was defeated, how did the Palestinians/Arabs not already have freedom?

What would the British Empire - known friend and helper of non-white people everywhere - "give" them their freedom?

Because they were still under the British Mandate until 1947, so they were not free , they still are without their own state.
All the other Arabs around them have created their own states, the only Arabs without a state are the Palestinians.
And that is because all the other Arabs used the Palestinians because they wanted to get rid off the Jews, essentially the Arabs sacrificed the Palestinians and made them proxies for their cause.
 

Abwx

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Some news, there s a footage, it appears that an apache helicopter was hoovering over the festival and firing randomly...


And in the same tweet an explanation about the kibboutz landscapes, the israeli press did gave infos but the propaganda channel i24 got all the priority to elude the truth.

 

KMFJD

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It seems Hezbollah has lost over 50 fighters on the lebanon's border with Isreal in 3 weeks:

It appears the Iranian proxy is trying to leverage nuisance attacks into Isreal, it is just failing and dieing for its efforts.


More to the pattern of Iran trying to expand the conflict via proxy.
In the same light i have seen many reports of multiple Merkava's being destroyed by Hezbollah , they occasionally post the death notices in their(Israeli) papers but it appears to be 4-5 at a time .

Also


In the latest ICC filing, the rights groups’ lawyer, Emmanuel Daoud, referenced the ICC’s ruling against Russia’s President Vladimir Putin for war crimes in Ukraine, and said there was “no room for double standards in international justice”.
 
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brycejones

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Some news, there s a footage, it appears that an apache helicopter was hoovering over the festival and firing randomly...


And in the same tweet an explanation about the kibboutz landscapes, the israeli press did gave infos but the propaganda channel i24 got all the priority to elude the truth.

Don't believe everything you see on the internet

This is sketchy at best so far.
 

mikeymikec

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Because they were still under the British Mandate until 1947, so they were not free , they still are without their own state.
All the other Arabs around them have created their own states, the only Arabs without a state are the Palestinians.
And that is because all the other Arabs used the Palestinians because they wanted to get rid off the Jews, essentially the Arabs sacrificed the Palestinians and made them proxies for their cause.

So what you're saying is, they helped the British defeat the Ottoman empire, then the British said everything the Palestinians own belongs to the British now... this is an arrangement which you think is just and fair? It seems to me that the Palestinians had a foreign power ruling over them only to be replaced by another foreign power.

Then the British said that they'll only leave and give up control if the Palestinians give away over half their land and let some other group of people have it.... this is an arrangement which you think is just and fair?

Then when the Palestinians weren't keen on this whole arrangement, they objected (which is an expression of freedom)... this is the bit that you think is unreasonable and unjust?

It seems to me that you believe that someone who tries to force you to agree to a single and only option in a plan that's been determined without your involvement is freedom. It's not. If you're being forced to live with a group of people (who also believe they're entitled to your land!), that's not freedom.
 
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Leeea

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Rumors exist the IRGC aligned militias attacked US aligned AANES military forces ( the SDF ) in Syria:

however, other rumors claim it didn't go well for them:

however, other rumors claim clashes continue:
"SDF bombing outskirts of Mayadin." -> translation -> the SDF has close air support from US Air assets, which means there is a US Forward Air Controller embedded with the SDF in the area.

I wouldn't count on the IRGC assets achieving anything but getting murdered.

Between this and the Houth, and the Iraq incidents, it does look like Iran is trying to expand the conflict via proxy however.
Looks like rumor becomes more reality as the US officially hits back at the IRGC in Syria:
speculation: The US took out the logistics hub the IRGC was using to push on the SDF.

Meanwhile in Yemen Houthi's knock down a Reaper:
Interesting thing is a Reaper is a flying A10, more an attack drone then an observation platform.


This is definitely expanding into a low intensity conflict between the US and Iranian proxies and the IRGC. Losing the drone hurt, but odds are their were IRGC personnel at that logistics hub.


The US is also moving an Ohio into the area, and it is widely speculated it is the tomahawk variant. Speculation has the US is preparing to retaliatory cruise missile strikes:
 
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Leeea

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Iraq:

In the last week there have been a number of harassing attacks aimed at Al-Asad Airbase, Iraq, which the US has not responded to. Mainly drone and light rocket. The lack of a US response probably indicates the US feels restraint is the best choice.


Iranian militias are only launching light very light harassment attacks in Iraq at the US base. This seems to indicate Iranian proxy in Iraq feel they lack the political capacity to directly attack US forces. They are effectively operating as criminals, attempting to avoid detection by Iraqi authorities.


This is very good news for the US position in Iraq. Iran dumped a lot of money into its proxies in Iraq, and to seem then unable to effectively expand the war in Iraq is a win at this point.



I also saw rumors Iranian associated militia's in Iraq are not interested in joining Hezbollah in Lebanon against Israel because that would put them under Hezbollah command. Regardless, we have not seen Iraqi militias moving from Iraq to engage in this conflict in any meaningful way.
 
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UNCjigga

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Biden needs to be working with other developed countries on a Marshall Plan for Palestine—and leave Bibi and his apartheid state out of it. That’s the only way Israel leaves Gaza alone at this point.
 
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