Israel: We Are At War

[MrSquished]

It must be legit. Of course.

It's silly to believe a fucking word out of Israel unless a truly independent international press goes and verifies it. And not after Israel has time to set it up.

They're dying to just be able to blow up hospitals too and get away with it. The Israeli government is sick and never to be trusted.

 

[nickqt]

This popped up on PBS newshour, I would consider it confirmed.


It included a discussion that basically stated this makes hospitals a legal target provided warning is given.


Hamas being Hamas, mass murdering Palestinian and Israeli alike.

Let's keep track at home.

It's totally legit for Israel to bomb homes, hospitals, and groups of Palestinians who are in Gaza.

Which Palestinians cannot be bombed? Give me a rough percentage of Palestinians who you think are allowed to survive this current "war".

Nope, this totally isn't genocide. Israel can kill as many Palestinians as they want, and it's totally...kosher.

 

[Leeea]

Israel can kill as many Palestinians as they want, and it's totally...kosher.

Well, that is the thing.

This isn't Israel killing Palestinians.

It is Hamas killing Palestinians. They are the ones that turned humanitarian service into a military base. They bear the responsibility for what that means.

Every single civilian who dies in that area is the responsibility of Hamas.

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The same principle applies if your rob a store and get in a shoot out with the police. You are charged with Murder 1 for the death of any bystander even if it was the police who shot the bystander. By committing a premeditated violent felony, you are responsible for all of the death associated and will get the death penalty in a death penalty state.

The moment Hamas turned the hospital into a military target Hamas became 100% responsible for every bad thing that happens at said hospital. The IDF 0%. Every infant who dies in an incubator with no electricity, that is on Hamas now. It is all on Hamas now. Every shootout, every bomb that hits the area, everything.

Hamas is sadistically murdering Palestinians for propaganda gains. Nothing less. It is that simple. Black and white, no grey.



So tell me,

Give me a rough percentage of Palestinians who you think are allowed to survive this current "war".

?

And how are you going to get Hamas to stop their Iranian sponsored genocide of the Palestinians to make that happen?


It is not the IDF that is preventing fuel from getting to the hospitals now.
It is not the IDF that is road blocking people from fleeing south.
It is not the IDF that is detonating IEDs on the refugee columns going south.
It is not the IDF that is trapping Palestinians in a warzone.
Egypt says it is Hamas that has closed the southern border crossing and is preventing aid. So does the US and Israel.


Hamas lied about allowing fuel transfers to the hospitals. Hamas lied about turning the hospitals into military bases. Hamas lied about bombing the refugee columns. Noticing a pattern here now.

 

[mikeymikec]

Well, that is the thing.

This isn't Israel killing Palestinians.

It is Hamas killing Palestinians. They are the ones that turned humanitarian service into a military base. They bear the responsibility for what that means.

Every single civilian who dies in that area is the responsibility of Hamas.

--------------------------------------------

The same principle applies if your rob a store and get in a shoot out with the police. You are charged with Murder 1 for the death of any bystander even if it was the police who shot the bystander. By committing a premeditated violent felony, you are responsible for all of the death associated and will get the death penalty in a death penalty state.
hospitals into military bases. Hamas lied about bombing the refugee columns. Noticing a pattern here now.

IMO that example you gave with the police is fucked up. Let's say you're a single robber with a pistol and the police turn up with a minigun. You're responsible for them them not using any caution or restraint in their violence?

Rather like air striking a hospital on the pretext that there are bad guys in it / beneath it.

if you fire a missile, plant a bomb, pull a trigger etc, that's your responsibility. If you start pretending that it's not your responsibility, it quickly becomes absurd. e.g. "Hamas didn't do Oct 7th, Israel did".

 

[amenx]

Am sure a lot more people are disgusted by this state of affairs but too timid to express out loud.

An internal State Department dissent memo accuses President Biden of "spreading misinformation" on the Israel-Hamas war and alleges that Israel is committing "war crimes" in Gaza, according to a copy of the memo obtained by Axios...

The memo — signed by 100 State Department and USAID employees — urges senior U.S. officials to reassess their policy toward Israel and demand a ceasefire in Gaza, where more than 11,000 Palestinians have been killed in the war, according to Gaza's Hamas-controlled health ministry...

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/13/biden-gaza-hamas-policy-state-department-memo

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Well, that is the thing.

This isn't Israel killing Palestinians.

It is Hamas killing Palestinians. They are the ones that turned humanitarian service into a military base. They bear the responsibility for what that means.

Every single civilian who dies in that area is the responsibility of Hamas.

By stating this, you're removing all agency from Israel. You're stating that they have no choice, they were given no choice, and Palestine has what's coming to it. This is the mindset of an abuser to justify abuse.

 

[KMFJD]

everything old is new again

Breaking the silence: Advocacy and accountability for attacks on hospitals in armed conflict

When hospitals are damaged or destroyed in armed conflict, the loss is far greater than the physical structures: safe spaces are lost, health outcomes worsen and trust in health institutions is undermined. Despite the legal protections afforded to medical units under international humanitarian...

international-review.icrc.org

 

[KMFJD]

Well, that is the thing.

This isn't Israel killing Palestinians.

It is Hamas killing Palestinians. They are the ones that turned humanitarian service into a military base. They bear the responsibility for what that means.

Every single civilian who dies in that area is the responsibility of Hamas.

--------------------------------------------

The same principle applies if your rob a store and get in a shoot out with the police. You are charged with Murder 1 for the death of any bystander even if it was the police who shot the bystander. By committing a premeditated violent felony, you are responsible for all of the death associated and will get the death penalty in a death penalty state.

The moment Hamas turned the hospital into a military target Hamas became 100% responsible for every bad thing that happens at said hospital. The IDF 0%. Every infant who dies in an incubator with no electricity, that is on Hamas now. It is all on Hamas now. Every shootout, every bomb that hits the area, everything.

Hamas is sadistically murdering Palestinians for propaganda gains. Nothing less. It is that simple. Black and white, no grey.



So tell me,

?

And how are you going to get Hamas to stop their Iranian sponsored genocide of the Palestinians to make that happen?


It is not the IDF that is preventing fuel from getting to the hospitals now.
It is not the IDF that is road blocking people from fleeing south.
It is not the IDF that is detonating IEDs on the refugee columns going south.
It is not the IDF that is trapping Palestinians in a warzone.
Egypt says it is Hamas that has closed the southern border crossing and is preventing aid. So does the US and Israel.


Hamas lied about allowing fuel transfers to the hospitals. Hamas lied about turning the hospitals into military bases. Hamas lied about bombing the refugee columns. Noticing a pattern here now.

People who support Israel in doing this are just empty fucking husks. Absolutely no one with a soul can support this. No humanity, no empathy, no compassion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724264696914616681

pro genocide rally in DC, are you attending? They'll pay you!

 

[mikeymikec]

By stating this, you're removing all agency from Israel. You're stating that they have no choice, they were given no choice, and Palestine has what's coming to it. This is the mindset of an abuser to justify abuse.

IMO it would also open up a debate for an immediate invasion of Israel to secure its nuclear weapons, because they're clearly being controlled by a terrorist organisation.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723820205514645806

French Report on civilians trying to flee

 

[KMFJD]

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/13/1211987812/israel-hamas-west-bank-gaza-war-conflict-idf

npr report on how the IOF makes life a living hell in the west bank

 

[MrSquished]

I'm fairly disgusted by Biden right now myself. He looks terrible to pretty much anybody on the left right now. What's happening in Gaza right now is obscene. He is such a pussy to not call for a cease fire and has lost a lot of his perceived humanity to a lot of people.

 

[Brovane]

Looks like CNN has picked up on the Hospital story with the Hamas stuff inside.

See what CNN reporter saw inside hospital basement in Gaza

 

[Pens1566]

Looks like CNN has picked up on the Hospital story with the Hamas stuff inside.

See what CNN reporter saw inside hospital basement in Gaza

And that's Nic Robertson. He's been around in that part of the world forever.

 

[KMFJD]

Children in Israeli Military Detention

All children in contact with judicial systems should be treated with dignity and respect at all times. For several years, national lawyers, human rights organizations, United Nations experts and treaty bodies have been publishing reports of illtreatment of children who come in contact with the...

www.unicef.org

The interrogation mixes intimidation, threats and physical violence, with the clear purpose of forcing the child to confess. Children are restrained during the interrogation, in some cases to the chair they are sitting on. This sometimes continues for extended periods of time, resulting in pain to their hands, back and legs. Children have been threatened with death, physical violence, solitary confinement and sexual assault, against themselves or a family member

is anyone shocked that they would be doing that 10 fucking years ago?

 

[Leeea]

Looks like CNN has picked up on the Hospital story with the Hamas stuff inside.

See what CNN reporter saw inside hospital basement in Gaza

CNN clearly stated they had editorial control to.

Nobody can claim Israeli propaganda on that one.

 

[MrSquished]

CNN clearly stated they had editorial control to.

Nobody can claim Israeli propaganda on that one.

Sure. So now Israel can just bomb hospitals? Is that cool with you now that it's 'legal'

 

[Leeea]

By stating this, you're removing all agency from Israel. You're stating that they have no choice, they were given no choice, and Palestine has what's coming to it. This is the mindset of an abuser to justify abuse.

At this point, what Israel is doing is in the best interest of both Palestine and Israel.

Israel has agency, and it is doing what is required. Hamas is exterminating everyone it can. The quicker Israel stops Hamas, the less people Hamas will kill.

 

[Leeea]

Sure. So now Israel can just bomb hospitals? Is that cool with you now that it's 'legal'

Hamas has been putting out reports Israel is viciously murdering civilians at Shifa hospital.


But now we learn Hamas is turning hospitals into military bases. So now it is Hamas viciously murdering civilians at Shifa hospital because they are the ones who decided to turn it into a combat zone and a strong point.

Specifically because they know Israel will not bomb it. So your question is a bit irrelevant.


Everyone who dies at Shifa now is 100% murdered by Hamas. Because that is what it means when Hamas turned it into a military base.



Hamas legally took responsibility for everyone's actions. Their own actions, the IDF's actions, random people running around the area in a panic, the insane guy on level three, everything. That is what happened here. You don't have to like it. But that is the way it is.

 

[MrSquished]

Hamas has been putting out reports Israel is viciously murdering civilians at Shifa hospital.


But now we learn Hamas is turning hospitals into military bases. So now it is Hamas viciously murdering civilians at Shifa hospital because they are the ones who decided to turn it into a combat zone and a strong point.

Specifically because they know Israel will not bomb it.


Everyone who dies at Shifa now is 100% murdered by Hamas. Because that is what it means when Hamas turned it into a military base.

That was a military base to you? That's fascinating. So Hamas uses a bit of basement space to keep a few things including a few hostages, and now everyone in the hospital, hundreds of doctors and staff and patients, and it's justified to just kill them all and it's Hamas's fault? Bomb the hostages too, what fun!

You should do better. This is absolutely disgusting.

 

[Leeea]

That was a military base to you? That's fascinating. So Hamas uses a bit of basement space to keep a few things including a few hostages, and now everyone in the hospital, hundreds of doctors and staff and patients, and it's justified to just kill them all and it's Hamas's fault? Bomb the hostages too, what fun!

You should do better. This is absolutely disgusting.

They did a lot more then that.

They put the hospital as the third point of a three way ambush / strong point. So yea, military base.


And I don't know if you noticed, but nobody in the hospital was bombed. The Israelis did use a breaching charge on the basement, but only after the patients were evacuated.

 

[MrSquished]

They did a lot more then that.

They put the hospital as the third point of a three way ambush / strong point. So yea, military base.


And I don't know if you noticed, but nobody in the hospital was bombed. So yea, the only people bombing the hospital was Hamas. The irony.

I didn't say it was bombed. You keep saying it's legal now to attack hospitals, so I asked you a question. So please clarify.

 

[Leeea]

I didn't say it was bombed. You keep saying it's legal now to attack hospitals, so I asked you a question. So please clarify.

I personally am pleased the IDF showed restraint and did not bomb the hospital.

However a long time ago people decided turning hospitals into the 3rd strong point of a 3 way ambush was a bad idea and made the laws of war the way they are.

So yes, if such an action had occurred, you are correct, it would have been Hamas murdering everyone.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

At this point, what Israel is doing is in the best interest of both Palestine and Israel.

I imagine you'd feel different if you were a Palestinian civilian.

 

[Brovane]

That was a military base to you? That's fascinating. So Hamas uses a bit of basement space to keep a few things including a few hostages, and now everyone in the hospital, hundreds of doctors and staff and patients, and it's justified to just kill them all and it's Hamas's fault? Bomb the hostages too, what fun!

You should do better. This is absolutely disgusting.

So it isn't just Israeli propaganda that Hamas is using Hospitals as cover for their forces?