Israel: We Are At War

[zinfamous]

The beheading babies story is really bad for innocent Gaza civilians caught in the middle.

It is going to bubble to the top of headlines around the world. It is real. And while everyone is reacting in horror Israel will be allowed to do whatever it wants in Gaza.


This is exactly what Hamas wanted.

Exactly. It's not something easily ignorable among all the other atrocities, because among all humans anywhere, it is something just absolutely unnatural, purely inhuman, and specifically galvanizing above pretty much everything else.

The galvanizing bit is the important part, because it is the specific savagery of this that is used to justify a very intentional genocide. Most people around the world are going to be able to take that as fact and justify to themselves the "unfortunate situation" of all the innocent Palestinians that will be intentionally targeted in this inevitable cleansing.

 

[dank69]

CNN is fake news then?

No, you. You are fake news. If you got this from CNN then yes, CNN made an error.

 

[Abwx]

To fuel this heated debate i ll add a thing about Yossi Landau report.

When we look at the YT video the landscape look more like a battlefield than anything else, and israel is a militarized country with compulsory military service, so most if not all adults have their M5 at home and it s likely that once machine guns blasts were heard they all jumped on their weapons and that they engaged in the fighting.

External walls are covered by bullets impacts and that s a hint that there was some ferocious fighting going on there wich led to a lot of deaths, other report suggest that palestinians were not given explicit orders to kill whoever was available for a shot, otherwise witnesses like this woman wouldnt exist at all :

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711745587618423282

We ll have to wait for inquiries to know the exact extent of war crimes committed, but for the time it would be better to stay cold blooded and not take everything at face value since war is also waged on information channels...

 

[HomerJS]

Hamas has nothing to gain by beheading babies. Everything they've done publicly known makes their point.

I can easily see the Israelis lying about this as a justification for going all General Order 66 on Gaza.

 

[K1052]

When we look at the YT video the landscape look more like a battlefield than anything else, and israel is a militarized country with compulsory military service, so most of not all adults have their M5 at home and it s likely that once machine guns blasts were heard they all jumped on their weapons and that they engaged in the fighting.

This, AFAIK, is incorrect. Military weapons are kept in military warehouses until they are called up. Gun ownership/possession in Israel is pretty restricted.

 

[Abwx]

This, AFAIK, is incorrect. Military weapons are kept in military warehouses until they are called up. Gun ownership/possession in Israel is pretty restricted.

And yet all settlers have military weapons, beside the attacked Kibboutz was very close to Gaza and it would be surprising that people didnt have a minimal mean to defend themselves in case an attack occured.

Edit : Im talking of machine gun like M5 and other such devices like Uzis.

Israel Has a Successful Gun Control Policy (From Gun Control, P 248-251, 1992, Charles P Cozic, ed. -- See NCJ-160164) | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

So anyone who has no criminal record can possess a weapon.

 

[spacejamz]

Hamas has nothing to gain by beheading babies. Everything they've done publicly known makes their point.

I can easily see the Israelis lying about this as a justification for going all General Order 66 on Gaza.

Hamas has everything to gain...the more barbaric their actions, the more devastating the response will be. Which is exactly what they want..

It is pretty sad that Palestinian supporters cannot see this (as evidenced by your statement) and that Hamas doesn't give two shits about them except when they can be used for political purposes.

 

[HomerJS]

Hamas has everything to gain...the more barbaric their actions, the more devastating the response will be. Which is exactly what they want..

It is pretty sad that Palestinian supporters cannot see this (as evidenced by your statement) and that Hamas doesn't give two shits about them except when they can be used for political purposes.

If Hamas did that they could have easily taken pictures themselves and transmit.

 

[Brovane]

Hamas has nothing to gain by beheading babies. Everything they've done publicly known makes their point.

I can easily see the Israelis lying about this as a justification for going all General Order 66 on Gaza.

Russia had nothing to gain by the war crimes Russian soldiers committed against Ukrainian civilians but it still happened.

 

[K1052]

And yet all settlers have military weapons, beside the attacked Kibboutz was very close to Gaza and it would be surprising that people didnt have a minimal mean to defend themselves in case an attack occured.

Edit : Im talking of machine gun like M5 and other such devices like Uzis.

Those weapons are illegal and periodically the authorities confiscate them. You can only own a handgun with a license in Israel, nothing more.

From everything i’ve seen of the attack Israeli citizens did not readily have many or any such weapons at their disposal.

 

[Sinsear]

No, you. You are fake news. If you got this from CNN then yes, CNN made an error.

I quoted someone who linked CNN.

CNN is fake news now. Got it.

 

[HomerJS]

Russia had nothing to gain by the war crimes Russian soldiers committed against Ukrainian civilians but it still happened.

I'm not saying no way it happened. I'm saying we don't really know. Same answer, if the goal was shock value they could have taken pictures themselves.

 

[amenx]

a yes, X, well known for its promotion of misinformation.

It is interesting here the debate isn't about Hamas murdering children, it is about whether they beheaded them or not.

Take a step back and think about that.

As much as I agree X is cesspit of disinformation, at least heres the Israeli journalist's account on his X page. He has been to the site of the attack and indeed there have been body bags of adults which we all saw strewn in front of journalists. Where are the small body bags of the babies? All we have are isolated Israeli soldiers word on it. Official Israeli army spokesmen did not mention this story to the journalists on their media tour of the place. Something they definitely would not keep silent about if true.

https://twitter.com/OrenZiv_?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

 

[Jaskalas]

Not finding an easy way to link this update.
Reports of a larger scale attack occurring from Lebanon into Israel.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/hamas-attack-israel-war

Sirens are sounding across northern Israel and residents were told to shelter in place amid reports of an incoming "large-scale" drone attack.​

"Israelis throughout the country were ordered to shelter in place amid a large-scale attack involving drones coming from the direction of the northern border on Wednesday evening," the Jerusalem Post reported. ​

The local outlet said there were reports of terrorists on paragliders landing in northern Israel. ​

Israeli Defense Forces said it received a report of a "suspected infiltration" from Lebanon into Israeli airspace. ​

"All residents in the areas where the warning was sounded are asked to enter the protected areas and stay in them until further notice," IDF said. ​

The Times of Israel reported footage broadcast on local Channel 12 news appeared to show a drone moving across the sky. ​

 

[Brovane]

I'm not saying no way it happened. I'm saying we don't really know. Same answer, if the goal was shock value they could have taken pictures themselves.

I think if it happened it wasn't something that the leadership of Hamas specifically asked it's soldiers to do. The soldiers that Hamas sent into Israeli probably expected the trip to be one way, basically a suicide mission and their goal was to cause as much destruction as possible. All the soldiers who volunteered to do this mission probably have suffered personal loss at the hands of Israeli forces and they probably hate all Israeli's and jews. When you are amped up on Adrenalin and in the middle of a killing spree, execution and beheading of woman and children really isn't unthinkable.

 

[Abwx]

Those weapons are illegal and periodically the authorities confiscate them. You can only own a handgun with a license in Israel, nothing more.

From everything i’ve seen of the attack Israeli citizens did not readily have many or any such weapons at their disposal.

You are right on this one, o just cjecked, it s legally a hand gun and 50 bullets, wich explain that they had no possible chance against militarly equipped attackers...

 

[cytg111]

Here we are trying to make the planet work and not eject human kind in the next couple generations… and what do Russia and Israel/Gaza do? You dum bitches. Especially contemplate that this a couple handful of people engineering this bullshit. Kill the puppetmasters. Dont have time for this bullcrap.

 

[gothuevos]

Here we are trying to make the planet work and not eject human kind in the next couple generations… and what do Russia and Israel/Gaza do? You dum bitches. Especially contemplate that this a couple handful of people engineering this bullshit. Kill the puppetmasters. Dont have time for this bullcrap.

A story as old as time.

Humans.

 

[KMFJD]

Sounds like the Kibbutz have armories and some where just caught flat footed?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711749865829474351

Also there where quite a few armed security at that rave, i'm not sure about that supposed tank, it cut's away instantly and never re-appears

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711822868483383663

 

[HomerJS]

Congress is trying to gather an aid package for Israel.

We already give then almost 4B/year and their GDP is 29th in the world. Ukraine's GDP is 58th. They shouldn't need it. IMO this aid package is for show.

I thought Republicans were so concerned about the budget?

 

[rommelrommel]

Are you serious? Why do you keep equating Hamas and the Palestinians?
Why don't you post the question he was asked. He said GOD gave him permission to build land(outposts) in Palestinian lands. (Mind you, even Israeli courts said what he was doing was illegal). And if those people don't recognize him, he will chop their heads off immediately.
I'm not trying to defend Hamas, but this settler and Hamas seem to be two sides of the same coin and I don't hear enough people condemning the Israeli side.
You can't make an argument one group is being barbaric while the other group is saying they'll do the same thing yet rationalizing why.
I don't want my tax dollars funding that. Seems too much like colonization because someone claims they owned the land 2000 years ago. There is a morality the US has lost in this situation.

I literally gave you a picture of the captioning and you’re still misrepresenting what he said.

He said if people don’t recognise him AND they keep using violence and terrorism that their heads should be chopped off.

Still pretty barbaric, but not at all “ I will chop off the heads of people who don’t recognise my right to build here.”

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Sounds like the Kibbutz have armories and some where just caught flat footed?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711749865829474351

Also there where quite a few armed security at that rave, i'm not sure about that supposed tank, it cut's away instantly and never re-appears

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711822868483383663

Seems to contradict the witness accounts which say they were absolutely targeting the crowd.

 

[soulcougher73]

Just something for everyone to remember. Fake news over this conflict, and also pretty much everything’s anymore. stay vigilant, especially now that AI has gotten so much better in the last 6 months.

 

[Leeea]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711822868483383663

That second link is obvious deceptive imagery persuasion aka DIP.


It may not even be from the same location or year.

 

[emperus]

I literally gave you a picture of the captioning and you’re still misrepresenting what he said.

He said if people don’t recognise him AND they keep using violence and terrorism that their heads should be chopped off.

Still pretty barbaric, but not at all “ I will chop off the heads of people who don’t recognise my right to build here.”

What are they using violence and "terrorism" to get him to do? I'm even pissed he's using the word terrorism.

Did you watch the clip? He is a settler. He is illegally taking land that does not belong to him. That even Israel told him to leave. I'm not sure why this is complicated. He has no rights to demand anything. The only thing he should be doing is leaving. It's a level of entitlement I've rarely seen.

Imagine someone walks into your home tomorrow and takes it over. You decide not to recognize it and tell him you will kick his ass. He says he will chop off your head if you don't recognize him and or attempt to kick his ass. Is that ok with you?

I don't think you're arguing this from a place of honesty.