Unfortunately, all I see is a Hamas 2.0 being birthed from all the 10-15 year old's that lose a brother/father in this conflict, and we're back to ground zero in 5-10 years. Genocide is probably the only real way to end the conflict, which is insane. At any rate, my point from way earlier in the thread still stands, nature will take care of this region via climate change. When it becomes unlivable, everyone will simply leave or die out.-Far and away the most clear eyed take here.
99.99% chance Israel fucks this up and the problem continues into perpetuity, but here is the chance for Israel to go into Gaza, Kill or Jail anyone with a Hamas affiliation, carry out extrajudicial killings of Hamas leaders on foreign soil... and then actually work to unfuck the lives of the remaining Palestinians.
Give them more room, build basic but clean and functional places for them to live outside of Gaza (even as second class citizens), build some fucking schools and show Palestinian kids a future outside of Hamas or dying for your Great Granddad's beef. It would be ugly, bleeding hearts would condemn it, there would still be blood. But it would be probably the most humane end to the conflict that is left open now.
I think it's patently absurd that people expect some Gazan dirt farmer to deal with Hamas when one of the world's most advanced, tested, and capable militaries hasn't been able to exterminate them.
That is a colossal WH cock-up.
this is the best article i have found so far, all the Washington post tweets just go to a number of stories
The White House is walking back Biden's statement that he saw photographic evidence of beheaded children
An IDF spokesperson previously told Insider children were "brutally butchered" at a kibbutz near the Gaza border, but declined to provide evidence.www.businessinsider.com
CNN also
Harvard student groups backtrack from blaming Israel for Hamas attack after backlash.
Billionaire Ackman, Others Pledge They Won't Hire Harvard Students Who Signed Letter Blaming Israel For Hamas Attack
I don't understand why they would have to be 'second class' citizens. Why the hell can't anyone get Israel to stick to the founding principles of their country and share it with the Palestinians. <Refreshing my memory here from a HS history class and putting it down here for anyone else who's memory has faded like mine**> I guess, it's because the British bugged out of Palestine and withdrew without any accord whatsoever in place. The UN, on the recommendation of the UK created a partition map (left on map). After the Arab-Israeli war, the negotiated armistice was supposed have the regions in green (the Green Line) within the boundaries of Israel as demilitarized zones. (right on map). Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, parties to the agreement, didn't accept the boundaries laid out by Israel as legitimate International boundaries (Egypt did later with the peace accord between them and Israel mediated by US Pres. Jimmy Carter). Also, ~750K Palestinians left Israel or were driven out by the IDF. I always though that this Green Line created two separate states - instead it created ambiguity, one held in place by Israeli military power. So, now the Arabs in Israel are at the mercy of the Israeli government and it's laws.Give them more room, build basic but clean and functional places for them to live outside of Gaza (even as second class citizens), build some fucking schools and show Palestinian kids a future outside of Hamas or dying for your Great Granddad's beef.
Geez, he had me convinced. At least Biden is no Captain Bone Spurs.That is a colossal WH cock-up.
Who is this guy?
That is why the X video is fake, the questions and the cuts.
The real video does not cut to the reporters at all. You can hear them ask their questions, but the camera never cuts to them.
They are inserting their own propaganda content into real content. The X video cuts to reporters making dramatic statements gestures etc. The real video never does. In fact, the room lighting in the room doesn't even look like the X video cuts to the reporters.
Its a fake video. A well done fake, but fake. They inserted their own content into real content, with carefully done cuts. He is responding to questions, just not to what is being presented in the video as to what he is responding to.
QUESTION: Although the President did not call for restraint, for the Israelis to exercise restraint in the upcoming or the speculated-to-be-upcoming ground invasion, the President did mention that Israel ought to abide by international law. Does that, in your view, mean that Israel must end its cutoff of water, electricity, food, and medicine to the people in Gaza?
MR MILLER: I will say that, as the President made clear, Israel has suffered from a brutal terrorist attack. Israel has the right to defend itself. It has the right to take action against the terrorists who launched this brutal attack and killed Israeli civilians and killed American civilians, killed mothers and children and babies, and kidnapped children. And so they are —
QUESTION: What’s (inaudible)?
MR MILLER: And so they are going to – they are going to take action to respond to this terrorist attack and take action to secure their country, and we support them. As the President made clear, we always encourage all of our allies and partners to act in strict accordance with international law. That is what democracies do. And I would just point out that of course is not what Hamas did – let me just —
QUESTION: (Off-mike.)
MR MILLER: Said, let me just finish – that is not —
QUESTION: So they —
MR MILLER: Said, let – that is not what Hamas did in coming into Israel and kidnapping and murdering innocent civilians.
QUESTION: Okay. I understand. I mean, Hamas – you have Hamas listed as a terrorist organization. They don’t get $4 billion a year from you. They don’t have military aid and support and so on. So that is established. You’re saying that Israel is a democracy, it’s a country that abides by international law. I am asking you: the cutoff of water, electricity, food, and medicine is considered a war crime. Do you call on Israel to cease its – its effort now in cutting so medicine, water, humanitarian aid —
MR MILLER: So let me start by saying that we are in the early days of Israel’s response. Israel has a right to conduct an aggressive response to respond to the terrorism that’s been committed against its citizens. We expect them to follow international law, we believe that they will, and we will remain in close contact with them about it.
QUESTION: You believe they should not intentionally target civilians. That’s one. Second, do you have any idea on the number of Palestinians killed by Israel in the last four days?
MR MILLER: I have seen public reports.
QUESTION: What are these reports?
MR MILLER: I am not going to speak to the —
QUESTION: Are they in the hundreds, in the thousands?
MR MILLER: So I – Said, I’m going to speak to what the U.S. Government can verify, which I’ve done with the number of U.S. citizens. I will let Israel speak to the number of Israeli citizens they have killed as well as the number of Palestinians they have killed.
QUESTION: Do you know if the 14 that the President spoke about are Palestinian Americans?
MR MILLER: I don’t – I don’t have any degree whether they are Palestinian Americans, whether they are dual citizens. It ultimately doesn’t matter to us. American citizens are American citizens.
QUESTION: And my – and my last question to you, Matt, I mean, the President has said that Hamas is motivated – and I’m paraphrasing – motivated solely by the quest to kill Jews. Do you believe that is to be the case? Is it the assessment of this government that Hamas sole motivation is to go out and kill Jews? There’s no context; there’s no siege that has gone on for 16 years.
MR MILLER: So —
QUESTION: There is no raid after raid by the Israelis?
MR MILLER: Said, I am just going to say that is a bit of a surprising question after what we saw a Hamas carry out this weekend, when we saw Hamas go in and deliberately target Israeli citizens —
QUESTION: No. I’m just saying —
MR MILLER: — and not just soldiers in the IDF but women, children, kidnapped them. We all saw the images that — across our television screens —
QUESTION: That’s true. And you state that —
MR MILLER: — of Hamas behaving in the most inhumane way possible. So I won’t speak to their motivations, and I think they’re pretty clear.
QUESTION: No, no, I am saying – I am saying to you —
MR MILLER: Let me – let me move on. Go ahead.
QUESTION: Is there another context? Is there another context?
Who is this guy?
Congresswoman, why do you have the Palestinian flag outside your office if you do not condone what Hamas terrorists have done to Israel? Do Israeli lives not matter to you?" she asked before the Democrat exited the hallway.
"She's Palestinian," Hoyer said. "That doesn't mean she's a terrorist, that doesn't mean she condones this... I fly a Danish flag at my house."
I have a question, why is anyone attacking Harvard students for expressing their opinion not being woke?
The Jerusalem Post is now saying they have verified photos of the babies.
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The Jerusalem Post can now confirm based on verified photos of the bodies that the reports of babies being burnt and decapitated in Hamas's assault on Kfar Aza are correct.
May their memory be a blessing.”
Operation Swords of Iron: What happened on days 6-7?
Close to 3,500 wounded, more than 1,300 murdered • IDF: 120 families of missing Israelis have been contactedm.jpost.com
It was a massacre, 1,500+ terrorists invading homes, going door to door. Killing almost everyone they encounter.The Jerusalem Post is now saying they have verified photos of the babies.
You know fuck all about the tremendous value of propaganda in wars.It was a massacre, 1,500+ terrorists invading homes, going door to door. Killing almost everyone they encounter.
What the freaking hell was the motive for people here to try and deny it?
This forum wanted to argue over one inane detail. We know children died, and they want to argue over how they died. A disgusting display of group-think and circling the wagons. To what end?
No one is immune from alt-facts and living in their own reality. Not a single person. Religion, make believe, is the basic human operating system. And those posters just displayed their biases here. Preferring some random fiction over fact. But to what end, because they identify with Hamas?
You would know a lot about that.You know fuck all about the tremendous value of propaganda in wars.
It was a massacre, 1,500+ terrorists invading homes, going door to door. Killing almost everyone they encounter.
What the freaking hell was the motive for people here to try and deny it?
This forum wanted to argue over one inane detail. We know children died, and they want to argue over how they died. A disgusting display of group-think and circling the wagons. To what end?
No one is immune from alt-facts and living in their own reality. Not a single person. Religion, make believe, is the basic human operating system. And those posters just displayed their biases here. Preferring some random fiction over fact. But to what end, because they identify with Hamas?
Why are you falling for the propagandist?Props to @amenx first person here that spotted reporter did not have first hand information but regurgitated what Israeli soldier said.
ok, so reputable link to the source of those other cameras?There could have been multiple cameras in that newsroom not just the one that the state department is showing.