Israel: We Are At War

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zinfamous

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I’m sitting this one out because our (the US) involvement simply makes the matter worse for everyone.
One side uses ruthless tactics and oppression to keep populations in line. The use of the word “settler” bothers me in this context. Settler conjures images of someone moving to the wildness and building a house to do productive stuff. These settlers evict existing people from their homes then move into those homes.
The other side uses rockets to terrorize, ...........

I mean, just reading the two comparisons there....your wistful memory of colonial days about those "wilderness settlers" from fairy tales are like, well, the same as what the West Bank settlers are doing. Today. It's the exact same thing, government sanctioned, "cultural and economic expansion into occupied, native lands against all previous treaties but with the one true power that always gives justification for breaking man's laws on earth: the law of the One True Lord. Heaven forfend the heathens that try to use the power of your state and their mysticism against your One Lord.".


It has. always. been. that.
So like, don't bother being confused about that; just wonder why you never made the connection by now.
 
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I mean, just reading the two comparisons there....your wistful memory of colonial days about those "wilderness settlers" from fairy tales are like, well, the same as what the West Bank settlers are doing. Today. It's the exact same thing, government sanctioned, "cultural and economic expansion into occupied, native lands against all previous treaties but with the one true power that always gives justification for breaking man's laws on earth: the law of the One True Lord. Heaven forfend the heathens that try to use the power of your state and their mysticism against your One Lord.".


It has. always. been. that.
So like, don't bother being confused about that; just wonder why you never made the connection by now.
It’s different, building housing next to someone’s house is a whole lot different than evicting someone and taking their house.
Regardless “settler” conjures up romantic ideas. “Squatter” is a more accurate word for what’s happening.
Also squatters don’t excuse tossing rockets into your neighbors yard. That’s a monstrous thing to do and knowing someone is planning to send rockets AND doing literally nothing to prevent it makes you part of the crime.
We are at the point of HAMAS wanting all Jews eliminated and Israel wanting all Palestinians either broken or removed from the area. There is no good side to back. They need to work this out somehow.

I refuse to be side tracked by early American history. Don’t try to both sides this.
 

KMFJD

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It’s different, building housing next to someone’s house is a whole lot different than evicting someone and taking their house.
But that is exactly what the 'settlers' are doing, evicting Palestinians from houses and land that have been in their family for generations, this has been happening in the West Bank and especially east Jerusalem for a while now . I've posted about this numerous times in this thread -

 

brycejones

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But that is exactly what the 'settlers' are doing, evicting Palestinians from houses and land that have been in their family for generations, this has been happening in the West Bank and especially east Jerusalem for a while now . I've posted about this numerous times in this thread -

Exactly it's why the West Bank looks this way in the far right image.

 
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But that is exactly what the 'settlers' are doing, evicting Palestinians from houses and land that have been in their family for generations, this has been happening in the West Bank and especially east Jerusalem for a while now . I've posted about this numerous times in this thread -

And that is exactly my point that would have been noticed if you read earlier
 
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KMFJD

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Holy shit the fire! Bless that woman.
Claire Daley and Mick Wallace are the two MEP that are vehemently anti-war, you most likely would not like her speeches about the ongoing Ukraine/Russia war but she stands by her anti-war stances.
 

MrSquished

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it's not often we have political figures that have the balls to call out Israel's apartheid state open air prison treatment of the people who's land they steal.

over thirteen years ago now, where are the other western politicians who can speak truth today? Israel created the Hamas and Gaza issue.



This article is more than 13 years old

David Cameron: Israeli blockade has turned Gaza Strip into a 'prison camp'​


David Cameron used a visit to Turkey to make his strongest intervention yet in the intractable Middle East conflict today when he likened the experience of Palestinians in the blockaded Gaza Strip to that of a "prison camp".
Although he has made similar remarks before, his decision to repeat them on a world stage in Turkey, whose relations with Israel have deteriorated sharply since it mounted a deadly assault on the Gaza flotilla, gave them much greater diplomatic significance.

Cameron's comments, in a speech to business leaders in Ankara, prompted the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, to issue another strong condemnation of how Israel dealt with the flotilla.
Erdogan likened the behaviour of Israeli commandos, who shot dead nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists, to Somali pirates.

Cameron's criticism of Tel Aviv came when he called for Israel to relax its restrictions on Gaza. "The situation in Gaza has to change," he said. "Humanitarian goods and people must flow in both directions. Gaza cannot and must not be allowed to remain a prison camp."
He strongly condemned Israel after the assault on the Gaza flotilla. "The Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla was completely unacceptable," he said. "I have told prime minister [Benjamin] Netanyahu we will expect the Israeli inquiry to be swift, transparent and rigorous. "Let me also be clear that the situation in Gaza has to change."
Cameron defended his remarks at a press conference with Erdogan. "My description of Gaza is something I said in the House of Commons several weeks ago. Perhaps this is final proof that if you want to keep something completely secret you should announce it in the House of Commons."
 
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linkgoron

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IDF shows evidence that Al-Rantisi Hospital has Hamas tunnels, has munitions inside of it, and appears to have held Israeli hostages in its basement.

Here is the 6 minute video:

Note that his English sucks, but IMO the pictures speak for themselves. People can always claim that this was forged or faked or whatever, but the Hamas apologists cannot be appeased no matter what.
 

Leeea

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IDF shows evidence that Al-Rantisi Hospital has Hamas tunnels, has munitions inside of it, and appears to have held Israeli hostages in its basement.

Here is the 6 minute video:

Note that his English sucks, but IMO the pictures speak for themselves. People can always claim that this was forged or faked or whatever, but the Hamas apologists cannot be appeased no matter what.
That is X, I want to see mainstream news pick that up. X is to easily faked / spoofed.


But yea, that looks damning. If it is real we will see Israeli mainstream news pick it up, along with western outlets soon enough.
 

Leeea

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That's nice.

Doesn't mean its real. It is FFing X after all.

Like I said, looks damning, but really want to see some mainstream news pick it up.


Look, my posting history here is pretty pro-IDF. But some guy on the internet doesn't make it true. Some guy saying it in the IDF doesn't make it true.

That stuff looks pretty easy for mainstream news to verify. Lets wait and see.


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It is important to just wait these things out sometimes. For example, the beheaded babies story? It ended up being true:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...beheaded-hamas-israel-fact-check/71394076007/

https://themedialine.org/top-storie...c-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

But we still have repeated claims by several posters here that it was false. They live in a social media bubble propagated by X. It is just as easy to be the opposite side of the same coin as them.
 
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zinfamous

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IDF shows evidence that Al-Rantisi Hospital has Hamas tunnels, has munitions inside of it, and appears to have held Israeli hostages in its basement.

Here is the 6 minute video:

Note that his English sucks, but IMO the pictures speak for themselves. People can always claim that this was forged or faked or whatever, but the Hamas apologists cannot be appeased no matter what.

where are the Hamas apologists in this thread? I haven't seen one, yet.

What I think IDF needs to do is sack the fuck up and do their jobs: you infiltrate sensitive places like a hospital to take out the enemy. You do YOUR FUCKING JOB, like the "elite military force" that you've been trying to convince the world that you are.

You don't get to sit back like raging fucking pussies and bomb the fucking shit out of babies in hospitals because you're pissing your pants thinking about fighting your enemy where the battlefield is.

It's just more of an excuse to enact the genocide that they desperately want. That's all this is, and the world fucking sees it. Those fucking cowards need to go fight like men, not fucking weak bitches that clearly just want to murder babies. All they are doing is making excuses for war crimes, that's literally all this is. You're a fucking useless coward for enabling it.

Fuck them.
 

Leeea

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