I agree and thanks for pointing that out. They are certainly running out the clock on American largess. I thought we would have stood by them more resolutely (and publicly we are), but murdering civilians at the rate the Israelis' are is generating pushback even within the administration. If they were racking up 100s kills/captures per day of HAMAS militants, many would have some respect because they were at least getting the job done. But, the Israelis have little to show for their efforts and patience is running out in the streets and in our government.I think the longer this goes on the higher the risk to Israel that US support becomes more conditional than it has been, especially since Netanyahu is basically ignoring our requests. Public opinion in the US agrees Israel has a right to self defense but also that they don't get a free hand to obliterate the Palestinians so their numbers are starting to move in the other direction as Israel prosecutes the war with near total disregard for civilian casualties.
Doesn't help if most of them won't ever travel to the US unless spending their vacations in DIsneyland is a big thing there.Biden says US will impose visa bans on Israeli settlers.
Uh, where is the attribution for that quote??Biden says US will impose visa bans on Israeli settlers.
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If true, it's a warning shot. It doesn't have to have a high utility in order to get the message across. This would be good news if true.Doesn't help if most of them won't ever travel to the US unless spending their vacations in DIsneyland is a big thing there.
Uh, where is the attribution for that quote??
Better than what I feared. I was afraid the US would bomb Israeli hospitals and population centers to root out any settlers trying to avoid arrest as monsters committing war crimes by hiding there. Thank God for measured reason.Doesn't help if most of them won't ever travel to the US unless spending their vacations in DIsneyland is a big thing there.
That is how you secure urban positions in war.To people who still believe that Israel carpet-bombing civilians is an attempt to remove Hamas:
Interesting thought. What is the proper response to the Oct 7th massacre? The war that Hamas started?If you want the closest thing to a sure-fire guaranteed method of radicalising someone
Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement that would free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for a five-day pause in fighting.
The release, which could begin within the next several days — barring last-minute hitches — could lead to the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.
Under the terms of a detailed, six-page agreement, all parties to the conflict would freeze combat operations for at least five days while an initial 50 or more of what are believed to be a total 239 hostages are released in batches every 24 hours. Overhead surveillance would monitor movement on the ground to police the pause.
The stop in fighting is also intended to allow a significant increase in the amount of humanitarian assistance, including fuel, to enter the besieged enclave from Egypt.
Thank god India did not attempt to attack Pakistan in retaliation for the November 2008 massacre at Mumbai. Back to the topic though,There is nothing disproportionate about conquering Gaza in retaliation for the massacre.
Body of the FT article:
Hundreds of patients left al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City on Saturday morning, as Israeli officials stepped up their calls for civilians to head towards a “safe zone” in the south-west of the enclave.
The health ministry in Gaza said that Israel had ordered that the wounded and displaced be moved from al-Shifa, the largest medical facility in Gaza, and that those that were able to leave the hospital had begun to do so.
The Israeli army denied that it had ordered the patients or medical teams to leave, and said it had “acceded to the request” of the director of the hospital to enable Gazans who wanted to leave to do so.
Al-Shifa, which Israel says sits on top of a dense network of underground tunnels housing Hamas command centres, has become one of the main focuses of Israel’s three-week long ground offensive, triggering fears for the patients and people sheltering at the facility.
Hamas has denied using al-Shifa for military purposes and described the claims as an Israeli excuse to take over the hospital.
Israel has released footage of what it said was a tunnel shaft at al-Shifa but said on Friday that it would take time to prove that the site was a command centre. The footage could not be independently verified.
Later on Saturday, the head of UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, said that it had received “horrifying images and footage of scores of people killed and injured” after the UN school in Al Fakhoora where they were sheltering was struck.
“These attacks cannot become commonplace, they must stop,” Philippe Lazzarini wrote on social media site X. “A humanitarian ceasefire cannot wait any longer.”
Israel’s military said it was looking into the incident.
Yousef Aboul Rish, the head of the health ministry in Gaza, told Al Jazeera that people had left al-Shifa pushing the injured on hospital beds and wheelchairs along a severely damaged road that was strewn with bodies from the fighting.
“It was a terrifying scene with families and injured children, some with amputated hands who had been asked to walk in a straight line [single file] between two Israeli tanks,” he said.
“As soon as we emerged past the Israeli guns, local people came to help us and carry the injured with us. The biggest group from the injured are heading to the south.”
The health ministry in Gaza said that 120 of 650 wounded people at al-Shifa were still in the hospital, along with five doctors who were trying to co-ordinate their exit.
Riham Jafari, a spokesperson for ActionAid Palestine, a humanitarian and campaigning group, described the evacuation of patients as “a death sentence for hundreds of people who will be forced to leave behind life-saving care and travel miles to hospitals that are no longer operational”.
The operation to move people from the hospital comes as Israel’s military signals its intention to expand its ground operation beyond northern Gaza, where al-Shifa is located.
On Friday, Herzi Halevi, the chief of the general staff, said Israel’s military would continue its operations in the strip and target “more and more regions”, after it dropped thousands of leaflets in Khan Younis in southern Gaza urging people to leave their homes.
Hundreds of thousands of Gazans have already fled to the south of the strip to avoid the fighting. But on Friday, Mark Regev, an adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said Israel was now asking people in Khan Younis to move towards what it has said will be a “safe zone” in Muwasi, a 14 sq km area in the south-west of the territory.
“We’re asking them to move to an area where hopefully there will be tents and a field hospital,” he said in an interview with MSNBC. “I know it’s not easy for many of them, but we don’t want to see civilians caught up in the crossfire.”
However, aid groups have criticised the scheme as unworkable. On Thursday, several UN agencies said that they would not participate in safe zones set up without the agreement of all parties, while Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the head of the WHO, described the plan as “a recipe for disaster”.
“Attempting to cram so many people into such a small area with such little infrastructure or services will significantly increase risks to health for people who are already on the brink,” he said on Friday.
Israel bombarded and then invaded Gaza last month after Hamas militants carried out the deadliest-ever attack on the country, killing about 1,200 people and taking 240 hostages, according to Israeli officials.
Israel’s response has killed almost 11,500 people, according to Palestinian health officials, as well as displacing more than 1.5mn of the enclave’s 2.3mn citizens.
Everyone wants to set their own date as to when the first punch was thrown. In this way one can justify anything. The date always goes back to when the other first stepped on toe while never noticing how you conveniently stuck it right where it would most likely get stepped on.That is how you secure urban positions in war.
Every single nation does it, some for pleasure, others out of sheer necessity.
War is brutal and bloody and there is no alternative. The situation on the ground does not allow it.
Interesting thought. What is the proper response to the Oct 7th massacre? The war that Hamas started?
Ignoring killers who take hostages and keep firing rockets is not a solution. They must be dealt with, and before you start,
When punched, one must punch back. There is nothing disproportionate about conquering Gaza in retaliation for the massacre.
- Morality is gained by not starting the fight.
- Morality is not lost by finishing it.
Interesting thought. What is the proper response to the Oct 7th massacre? The war that Hamas started?
Ignoring killers who take hostages and keep firing rockets is not a solution. They must be dealt with, and before you start,
When punched, one must punch back. There is nothing disproportionate about conquering Gaza in retaliation for the massacre.
- Morality is gained by not starting the fight.
- Morality is not lost by finishing it.
So true. Nothing pisses me off more that to be late for dinner because people a million miles away are being brutally killed. I'll be fucked if they on the bridge will make me lose my appetite. They should have dumped them and their cars over the rail. Can you pass the potatoes.....
Something tells me you don't really know how protests work. I'm not even entertaining the thought of whether you've actually been at any form of protest in real life.Has nothing to do with dinner.
How about the Police, Ambulance, Firetrucks and other emergencies that can't get through the blockage to actually help people in need and save some lives.
If these people really want to help the Palestinian people they should help get rid of Hamas.
I am a conservative with self understanding. I grew up in a good family and was well trained. I did everything right. I was trustworthy loyal helpful friendly courteous kind obedient cheerful thrifty brave clean and reverent. The idea of low quality, disgruntled, thankless people protesting in ways that inconvenience others makes revoltingly sick. I am just so much of a better person than they are and for all my moral rectitude and towing of the line, for all the effort I put into shining like the sun, what did I get? A slap in the belly with a wet fish. And there's the rub. Mommy and Daddy were hypocrites and failed to pat me on the head as I so richly deserved. and I deeply repress my anger about that. And look at all the attention those low lifes get. It makes me sick and puts me off my dinner. I know you because I know me. Every stick has two ends.Has nothing to do with dinner.
How about the Police, Ambulance, Firetrucks and other emergencies that can't get through the blockage to actually help people in need and save some lives.
If these people really want to help the Palestinian people they should help get rid of Hamas.
Seeing the same thing from Hamas makes this point just another causality of war. Fuck Hamas and fuck Bibi.With anti-semitic behavior at an all time high around the world, I wonder if this is what HAMAS was going for? To have the world hate Jews.
Seeing bombs dropped on little babies, young children and mothers, fathers who are innocent can't be a good look for Israel.
That is how you secure urban positions in war.
Every single nation does it, some for pleasure, others out of sheer necessity.
War is brutal and bloody and there is no alternative. The situation on the ground does not allow it.
Interesting thought. What is the proper response to the Oct 7th massacre? The war that Hamas started?
Ignoring killers who take hostages and keep firing rockets is not a solution. They must be dealt with, and before you start,
When punched, one must punch back. There is nothing disproportionate about conquering Gaza in retaliation for the massacre.
- Morality is gained by not starting the fight.
- Morality is not lost by finishing it.
Something tells me you don't really know how protests work. I'm not even entertaining the thought of whether you've actually been at any form of protest in real life.
And how is an ordinary American citizen demanding ceasefire supposed to "help get rid of Hamas"? By enlisting with the IDF?