Israel: We Are At War

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KMFJD

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the most moral army in the world is having some issues

Above tweet translated -
"The reservists' burnout is becoming extreme and dangerous - and not just in combat [units]. Officers openly talk about personal costs and red lines:
1. The percentages of [soldiers not reporting in] reach 20%-40%, including in units inside Gaza
2. Sergeant Major G' (44), a senior engineer in the defense industry and a tank technician in the reserves, was begged to come to the Gaza Envelope this month: 'Do a week at a time on the army's bill - just come'
3. The commander of Squadron 200 Lieutenant Colonel Y' tells me: 'Most of my operators are reservists. Their partners got fired, and only Order 8 [emergency callup order for reservists] protects them from being fired themselves. It'll also be canceled soon. They're a resource that's being taken for granted, when they're the minority who carry the burden.'
4. 12th Brigade Commander, Colonel Ivri Elbaz, who is currently fighting in Rafah: "Tongue's out? There is no tongue anymore. I've put down red lines and I warn that in every decision one must take this cornerstone into account: the human being'
5. The desperation is so great among some soldiers that they've stopped asking for financial aid after the Via Dolorosa that they're being put through and the grants they were promised but didn't arrive
6. A commander in a reserve division that'll soon return to the Gaza Strip warns: 'We're asking 50 and 60 year olds to come voluntarily, but don't forget: 30 and 25 year olds also volunteer, each of them could easily get a mental health exemption after 4 months of fighting in Gaza at the start. Many have the feeling that 'we've already contributed big time'
7. Another one of the dwindling manpower's constraints: in unit 9900, 20 year old regular satellite operators became aerial photography interpreters in [various] divisions instead of reservists and the internet is filled with 'wanted' ads to fill the gap"
 

amenx

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the most moral army in the world is having some issues
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Above tweet translated -
If true this is huge. Hope it puts an end to any potential Lebanon adventures.
 
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blankslate

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I was watching a the replay of a live stream in which a libertarian who had a show on a channel I never watched interviewing a retired U.S. Army Col. who despite my political disagreements with has knowledge gained from combat experience in the Gulf War. The subject was Israel.

This song was mentioned in the chat.



Netanyahu and Kushner are called out over their support for the (at the very least) ethnic cleansing via murder.



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If true this is huge. Hope it puts an end to any potential Lebanon adventures.

I predict you'll be quite disappointed. If anything, I expect them to start sounding even more like Russia. "We're facing war on multiple fronts, which sure we initiated, because WE HAD TO! But we are forced to consider escalating and will resort to any means to protect ourselves, including nuclear weapons."

I'm not saying its right, but I feel like half of the reason the US doesn't get more critical of Israel is in order to try to keep them from going fully insane, because they are the type that would view being ostracized by everyone as not evidence of their malfeasance but rather that everyone really is against them because of anti-Semitism. They don't want other countries' land, so they have no reason to care if it gets contaminated by radiation or famine/etc. The only reason they don't is because it would lead to them being ostracized, so its like a slow staredown "how horrible do I have to get before you pull support so I can stop pretending to care?" And the US is like "you goddamn lunatics, you're not supposed to do the quiet part out loud! Did you learn nothing from us doing that type of shit the world over? Also, we're so un-anti-Semitic that we'll keep giving you the bombs then watch you blow up schools and hospitals then brag about it?"!"
 
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amenx

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I predict you'll be quite disappointed. If anything, I expect them to start sounding even more like Russia. "We're facing war on multiple fronts, which sure we initiated, because WE HAD TO! But we are forced to consider escalating and will resort to any means to protect ourselves, including nuclear weapons."

I'm not saying its right, but I feel like half of the reason the US doesn't get more critical of Israel is in order to try to keep them from going fully insane, because they are the type that would view being ostracized by everyone as not evidence of their malfeasance but rather that everyone really is against them because of anti-Semitism. They don't want other countries' land, so they have no reason to care if it gets contaminated by radiation or famine/etc. The only reason they don't is because it would lead to them being ostracized, so its like a slow staredown "how horrible do I have to get before you pull support so I can stop pretending to care?" And the US is like "you goddamn lunatics, you're not supposed to do the quiet part out loud! Did you learn nothing from us doing that type of shit the world over? Also, we're so un-anti-Semitic that we'll keep giving you the bombs then watch you blow up schools and hospitals then brag about it?"!"
Not sure you and I are on same page. I was referring to KMFJD links that the IDF is having trouble keeping their manpower in fighting form which they will absolutely need to embark on any larger (than Gaza) military adventures, ie, Lebanon. Too many of their reservists are simply not reporting for duty in addition to widespread low morale. Gaza alone has taken a toll on them not to mention their likely awareness of worldwide condemnation and potential prosecution for war crimes.

Ultimately I know they would like nothing more than for the US to wage war on their behalf or while they take a a much smaller share of the costs and burden. They manipulated the US do do that for them in Iraq and hope to do that again vs more formidable enemies. Not sure the US is keen on doing that again.
 

Leeea

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So in the end peace comes because both sides run out of Ammo?


Well, Hamas did one thing here. It showed that itself and the current state of Israel are morally equivalent. Both are happy to commit exactly as much murder as they can get away with.


Hamas won.


They did it by provoking a genocide and urbicide. I hope all their supporters are happy with the cost of that victory.


The Israeli's will retreat, shown as what they are. Who knows what happens next, but likely nothing in the near term. It was not their homes that were razed, not their fate to live in ruins. The settlers will operate with impunity now.


The long term? Points at Turkey. They get away with it all the time.

I know the peace treaty that was signed to end hostilities between Israel and its neighbors way back when commits US aid to Israel and its neighbors. I understand we cannot renege on that. But we can limit it to purely defensive aid, like interceptors for Iron Dome.
 
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KMFJD

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this is a conservative estimate, jfc


Armed conflicts have indirect health implications beyond the direct harm from violence. Even if the conflict ends immediately, there will continue to be many indirect deaths in the coming months and years from causes such as reproductive, communicable, and non-communicable diseases. The total death toll is expected to be large given the intensity of this conflict; destroyed health-care infrastructure; severe shortages of food, water, and shelter; the population’s inability to flee to safe places; and the loss of funding to UNRWA, one of the very few humanitarian organisations still active in the Gaza Strip. In recent conflicts, such indirect
deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.
 

raildogg

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America-Israel genocide continues in Gaza. The Muslim neighbors of Israel are bought by the Americans so they will not do anything to help the Palestinians. That is the sad situation.

The world needs to thank America for funding, arming and enabling Israel to carry out one of the worst crimes humanity has seen. In fact, most of the world does see it that way. This genocide belongs to America, one of many on its hands. They have coordinated with Israel to destroy Gaza and inflict unthinkable levels of pain on the population. So when people say Israel is committing genocide, this is true. But the real thing is that it is an Israeli-American joint genocide.

Instead of stopping Israel, America will host Netanyahu to give a speech in front of the US congress in which he will be praised as a god. This is the power of the Israel-linked groups in America. The American right wing has to obey these Israeli groups if they want political success. So this might explain how America and Israel work together to genocide Palestinians. But why do Democrats support Israel's genocide too? Why are they "wrestling" over going to this monster's speech? Do they support genocide of Palestinians just like the Republicans?


So in this speech, I think Netanyahu will use it to get America to attack Iran and I am sure he will find much success in this. After all, Netanyahu got America to invade Iraq, using false evidences. But that is America these days. A country who will put Netanyahu on the pedestal to praise him as a god because he is committing one of the worst crimes humanity has known. I hope the entire world sees this as proof that this genocide in Palestine is a joint Israeli-American operation. In fact, much of the world does see it like this.
 
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fskimospy

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America-Israel genocide continues in Gaza. The Muslim neighbors of Israel are bought by the Americans so they will not do anything to help the Palestinians. That is the sad situation.

The world needs to thank America for funding, arming and enabling Israel to carry out one of the worst crimes humanity has seen. In fact, most of the world does see it that way. This genocide belongs to America, one of many on its hands. They have coordinated with Israel to destroy Gaza and inflict unthinkable levels of pain on the population. So when people say Israel is committing genocide, this is true. But the real thing is that it is an Israeli-American joint genocide.

Instead of stopping Israel, America will host Netanyahu to give a speech in front of the US congress in which he will be praised as a god. This is the power of the Israel-linked groups in America. The American right wing has to obey these Israeli groups if they want political success. So this might explain how America and Israel work together to genocide Palestinians. But why do Democrats support Israel's genocide too? Why are they "wrestling" over going to this monster's speech? Do they support genocide of Palestinians just like the Republicans?


So in this speech, I think Netanyahu will use it to get America to attack Iran and I am sure he will find much success in this. After all, Netanyahu got America to invade Iraq, using false evidences. But that is America these days. A country who will put Netanyahu on the pedestal to praise him as a god because he is committing one of the worst crimes humanity has known. I hope the entire world sees this as proof that this genocide in Palestine is a joint Israeli-American operation. In fact, much of the world does see it like this.
You’re going to be so mad when you find out what Russia has been up to.
 

amenx

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When Israeli soldiers are bored, they shoot.

"... executions, which did not appear to have any security rationale, are consistent with the testimonies of six Israeli soldiers who spoke to +972 Magazine and Local Call following their release from active duty in Gaza in recent months. Corroborating the testimonies of Palestinian eyewitnesses and doctors throughout the war, the soldiers described being authorized to open fire on Palestinians virtually at will, including civilians..."

"When soldiers see someone approaching, “it is permissible to shoot at their center of mass [their body], not into the air,” B. continued. “It’s permissible to shoot everyone, a young girl, an old woman.”...

 
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KMFJD

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^^ a ceasefire must involve both sides stopping, Israel's stance that they should be allowed to keep killing kind of runs counter to it

Anyways, another day another war crime by the Israel


At 10 a.m. on Saturday, while people were starting their day, the Israeli military targeted the area with successive airstrikes, leading to a massacre that, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, has, as of the time of writing, killed 90 people and injured over 300 others. Half of them are women and children, the health ministry says.
 
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MrSquished

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I read that Biden called himself a Zionist the other day and that he's also done more for the Palestinian people than anybody. This fucker really need to go, now. He is an albatross around our success as a party in November.


" President Joe Biden told an interviewer he considers himself a Zionist who has also done “more for the Palestinian community than anybody” while calling for more aid to reach the Gaza Strip".

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/biden-zionist-speedy-360-interview/index.html
 
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