Israeli air raid struck UN Observation Post

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: RichardE




Umm..they attacked a nation with a much stronger military, of course the death numbers are going to be lopsided that is just common sense.

Here are two questions you love to keep avoiding...try to answer them.

If Israel is targetting civilians, why is there such a small number of deaths with 10k+ missiles launched and groundforces moved in?

If Israel is trying to get rid of observers, why are we not seeying reports of journalists/reporters being killed continuesly?

Lebanon did NOT attack Israel. Israel attacked Lebanon. And if you think the deaths, injuries, destruction, and nearly a million people displaced isn't catastrophic then there really is NO hope for you. You have and will continue to excuse ANYTHING Israel does.

Are you and Israeli? Have you served in the Israeli military too?

:roll:

Umm....

Those two questions..common...you can do it.

 

[Aisengard]

Hezbollah attacked Israel.

Israel attacked southern Lebanon and parts of Beirut, which is pretty much Hezbollah.

Talk all you want, but this wouldn't have happened if Hezbollah just left Israel the feck alone.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: RichardE

If Israel is targetting civilians, why is there such a small number of deaths with 10k+ missiles launched and groundforces moved in?

How many Lebanese civilians are killed for every Hezbollah militant?

If Israel is trying to get rid of observers, why are we not seeying reports of journalists/reporters being killed continuesly?

Because Israel doesn't have intel on individual reporters' locations, so they are targeting facilities, TV stations, and now UN observer stations.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BBond
It's also nice that you want to change the subject from Israel intentionally targeting UN observers. I understand why you would -- completely.

How about we wait to find out what happened? As I said already, if it was intentional I will make a post and apologize. So far we have a UN official with a track record of attacking Israel.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BBondAre you and Israeli? Have you served in the Israeli military too?

:roll:

Right, because if he did it would automatically discount any rational argument he might make, right? It would certainly make it easier than responding to any point he may bring up. Am I getting warmer?

Hey look, I can do the rolleyes thing too! :roll:

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Hezbollah attacked Israel.

Israel attacked southern Lebanon and parts of Beirut, which is pretty much Hezbollah.

Talk all you want, but this wouldn't have happened if Hezbollah just left Israel the feck alone.

Israel attacked Gaza breaking a nine month old (IIRC) cease fire. Israel had this attack against Hezbollah planned for over a year and wanted to incite a confrontation to put their plan in place.

If Israel wanted to attack Hezbollah why the hell are they bombing the sh!t out of the entire nation of Lebanon?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BBond
Here, check out this video. I like the parts where the Israeli soldiers are abusing defenseless Palestinians. Bashing a guy's head with a rock. Kicking him in the face. Insulting old women whose only crime is wanting to go home. Etc., etc., etc., -- just like animals.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1899129&enterthread=y

You want some videos of the aftermath of suicide bombers and rocket attacks? I have some pretty graphic ones I can send you when I get home. I mean it is always best to have the story from both sides right?

Both sides make mistakes, Israel as a policy does not target civilians. Hamas and Hez as a policy do. What more do you need to know?

That's like me punching you in the face and saying I wasn't targeting you, just a mosquito that was sitting on your nose.

Again, with 10k+ missiles launched in Lebannon why is the civilian casulties so low if they were targetting civilians? You guys are pathetic, keep avoiding the questions that matter.

I am not avoiding that at all.
What do you mean they are low? What is percentage of civilian casualties to military ones?

Here ya go...

25 missiles are launched (assuming only 10k missiles) for every civilian killed (assuming 400).

These are precision missiles, Is Israel really that bad of a shot? I mean, they are targetting civilians and all, it should take them less than 25 missiles to kill one person.

You are ducking the question. How many civilians are killed for every militant? By your calculations, Israel isn't targeting the militants either. Also, what makes you think all 10k missiles are guided, and secondly if a guided missile hits a 10 story apartment building because Israel claims a Hez fighter is hiding there, who do you think gets killed?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BBondAre you and Israeli? Have you served in the Israeli military too?

:roll:

Right, because if he did it would automatically discount any rational argument he might make, right?

Hey look, I can do the rolleyes thing too! :roll:

You are former Israeli military. Your opinions and allegiance are swayed by your nationality, military background, and religion.

Tell me they aren't and you're a liar.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BBond
Here, check out this video. I like the parts where the Israeli soldiers are abusing defenseless Palestinians. Bashing a guy's head with a rock. Kicking him in the face. Insulting old women whose only crime is wanting to go home. Etc., etc., etc., -- just like animals.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1899129&enterthread=y

You want some videos of the aftermath of suicide bombers and rocket attacks? I have some pretty graphic ones I can send you when I get home. I mean it is always best to have the story from both sides right?

Both sides make mistakes, Israel as a policy does not target civilians. Hamas and Hez as a policy do. What more do you need to know?

That's like me punching you in the face and saying I wasn't targeting you, just a mosquito that was sitting on your nose.

Again, with 10k+ missiles launched in Lebannon why is the civilian casulties so low if they were targetting civilians? You guys are pathetic, keep avoiding the questions that matter.

I am not avoiding that at all.
What do you mean they are low? What is percentage of civilian casualties to military ones?

Here ya go...

25 missiles are launched (assuming only 10k missiles) for every civilian killed (assuming 400).

These are precision missiles, Is Israel really that bad of a shot? I mean, they are targetting civilians and all, it should take them less than 25 missiles to kill one person.

You are ducking the question. How many civilians are killed for every militant? By your calculations, Israel isn't targeting the militants either. Also, what makes you think all 10k missiles are guided, and secondly if a guided missile hits a 10 story apartment building because Israel claims a Hez fighter is hiding there, who do you think gets killed?

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

 

[BBond]

The VAST majority of Lebanese deaths are CIVILIANS. Only a dozen or so Hezbollah have been killed as far as the last reports I read.

What's that? 388 to 12 civilians to Hezbollah.

You didn't answer MY question. What would Israel be saying if almost 400 Israeli civilians were DEAD, thousands wounded, hundreds of thousands displaced?

Can you imagine?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Hezbollah attacked Israel.

Israel attacked southern Lebanon and parts of Beirut, which is pretty much Hezbollah.

Talk all you want, but this wouldn't have happened if Hezbollah just left Israel the feck alone.

Israel attacked Gaza breaking a nine month old (IIRC) cease fire. Israel had this attack against Hezbollah planned for over a year and wanted to incite a confrontation to put their plan in place.

If Israel wanted to attack Hezbollah why the hell are they bombing the sh!t out of the entire nation of Lebanon?

Wow, you are shameless.
But your intel on Israeli military plans is remarkably good.

Let me just see if I got this right...
They planned on attacking Hezbollah for over a year... they somehow incited the kidnapping and killing of their soldiers who were in Israeli territory... but they didn't do that, they bombed South Lebanese civillians instead... yet only managed to kill 400 in two weeks of bombing.

Wow. You should work for Al-Manar (you know, that station you never heard of until 2 weeks ago. Yeah, the one we were talking about before when you had the most pathetic response I've ever seen on these boards).

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BBondAre you and Israeli? Have you served in the Israeli military too?

:roll:

Right, because if he did it would automatically discount any rational argument he might make, right?

Hey look, I can do the rolleyes thing too! :roll:

You are former Israeli military. Your opinions and allegiance are swayed by your nationality, military background, and religion.

Tell me they aren't and you're a liar.

Yep, only Americans sitting on this side of the Atlantic knows what is going on.

What I find absolutly hilarious about you BBOND is you disgard his opinions because of his past history with the Israeli army...


but..

If someone from Hez, or anyone sympathetic to that cause states something, you show it to everyone like it is gospel.

Why is that? The Hez opinions/comments are not swayed by there association?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: RichardE

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

You're being ridiculous. Israel is bombing civilian neighborhoods, civilian areas, they are killing civilians, period.

They have on more than one occasion targeted fleeing civilians who were following Israeli orders to flee. How the hell do you defend THAT?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BBond
The VAST majority of Lebanese deaths are CIVILIANS. Only a dozen or so Hezbollah have been killed as far as the last reports I read.

What's that? 388 to 12 civilians to Hezbollah.

LOL. Hezbollah says that 17 of it's operatives were killed. YOu really believe that? My gosh, maybe you DO work for Al-Manar. Israel says over 200 were killed. Sure, go ahead and take the word of Hezbollah.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BBond
The VAST majority of Lebanese deaths are CIVILIANS. Only a dozen or so Hezbollah have been killed as far as the last reports I read.

What's that? 388 to 12 civilians to Hezbollah.

You didn't answer MY question. What would Israel be saying if almost 400 Israeli civilians were DEAD, thousands wounded, hundreds of thousands displaced?

Can you imagine?

25 missiles for 1 civilian. They are targetting civilians?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: RichardE

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

You're being ridiculous. Israel is bombing civilian neighborhoods, civilian areas, they are killing civilians, period.

They have on more than one occasion targeted fleeing civilians who were following Israeli orders to flee. How the hell do you defend THAT?

Again, 25 missiles for every civilian death. You think they are targetting civilians? Are they that bad of an aim?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: BBondAre you and Israeli? Have you served in the Israeli military too?

:roll:

Right, because if he did it would automatically discount any rational argument he might make, right?

Hey look, I can do the rolleyes thing too! :roll:

You are former Israeli military. Your opinions and allegiance are swayed by your nationality, military background, and religion.

Tell me they aren't and you're a liar.

There's no doubt I'm biased, I freely admit that. (my biases are based more on my experiences, what I've seen then on my religion or anything else). So what? You're obviously biased as well, we all are. That should not take away from a rational discussion. respond to the points made, not to the person making them.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BBond
Here, check out this video. I like the parts where the Israeli soldiers are abusing defenseless Palestinians. Bashing a guy's head with a rock. Kicking him in the face. Insulting old women whose only crime is wanting to go home. Etc., etc., etc., -- just like animals.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1899129&enterthread=y

You want some videos of the aftermath of suicide bombers and rocket attacks? I have some pretty graphic ones I can send you when I get home. I mean it is always best to have the story from both sides right?

Both sides make mistakes, Israel as a policy does not target civilians. Hamas and Hez as a policy do. What more do you need to know?

That's like me punching you in the face and saying I wasn't targeting you, just a mosquito that was sitting on your nose.

Again, with 10k+ missiles launched in Lebannon why is the civilian casulties so low if they were targetting civilians? You guys are pathetic, keep avoiding the questions that matter.

I am not avoiding that at all.
What do you mean they are low? What is percentage of civilian casualties to military ones?

Here ya go...

25 missiles are launched (assuming only 10k missiles) for every civilian killed (assuming 400).

These are precision missiles, Is Israel really that bad of a shot? I mean, they are targetting civilians and all, it should take them less than 25 missiles to kill one person.

You are ducking the question. How many civilians are killed for every militant? By your calculations, Israel isn't targeting the militants either. Also, what makes you think all 10k missiles are guided, and secondly if a guided missile hits a 10 story apartment building because Israel claims a Hez fighter is hiding there, who do you think gets killed?

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

How many missiles is Israel using for every militant? By your logic they aren't targeting militants either, just because they are using too much ammo per kill.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BBond
Here, check out this video. I like the parts where the Israeli soldiers are abusing defenseless Palestinians. Bashing a guy's head with a rock. Kicking him in the face. Insulting old women whose only crime is wanting to go home. Etc., etc., etc., -- just like animals.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1899129&enterthread=y

You want some videos of the aftermath of suicide bombers and rocket attacks? I have some pretty graphic ones I can send you when I get home. I mean it is always best to have the story from both sides right?

Both sides make mistakes, Israel as a policy does not target civilians. Hamas and Hez as a policy do. What more do you need to know?

That's like me punching you in the face and saying I wasn't targeting you, just a mosquito that was sitting on your nose.

Again, with 10k+ missiles launched in Lebannon why is the civilian casulties so low if they were targetting civilians? You guys are pathetic, keep avoiding the questions that matter.

I am not avoiding that at all.
What do you mean they are low? What is percentage of civilian casualties to military ones?

Here ya go...

25 missiles are launched (assuming only 10k missiles) for every civilian killed (assuming 400).

These are precision missiles, Is Israel really that bad of a shot? I mean, they are targetting civilians and all, it should take them less than 25 missiles to kill one person.

You are ducking the question. How many civilians are killed for every militant? By your calculations, Israel isn't targeting the militants either. Also, what makes you think all 10k missiles are guided, and secondly if a guided missile hits a 10 story apartment building because Israel claims a Hez fighter is hiding there, who do you think gets killed?

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

How many missiles is Israel using for every militant? By your logic they aren't targeting militants either, just because they are using too much ammo per kill.

Avoiding again. Again, you guys made the accusation, so defend it. Why are there not more civilians deaths with the amount of explosives being droped and an armed ground force now in Lebannon.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

There's no doubt I'm biased, I freely admit that. (I also know the reasons why I'm biased). So what? You're obviously biased as well, we all are. That should not take away from a rational discussion. respond to the points made, not to the person making them.

I'm not biased at all. Some of my best friends are Jewish.

I'm just sick and tired of the "Israel can do no wrong" chorus we've been hearing for decades now. It's not true and it's leading to these spasms of violence. One day these spasms are going to spread to a full scale world war and I don't think a homeland for the Jewish people in the middle of their enemies is worth all that.

I also don't believe that Israel is blameless in all this. Israel has its aspirations too. And they have the backing of the USA which has its own aspirations in the Middle East as well.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ThePresence

There's no doubt I'm biased, I freely admit that. (I also know the reasons why I'm biased). So what? You're obviously biased as well, we all are. That should not take away from a rational discussion. respond to the points made, not to the person making them.

I'm not biased at all. Some of my best friends are Jewish.

I'm just sick and tired of the "Israel can do no wrong" chorus we've been hearing for decades now. It's not true and it's leading to these spasms of violence. One day these spasms are going to spread to a full scale world war and I don't think a homeland for the Jewish people in the middle of their enemies is worth all that.

I also don't believe that Israel is blameless in all this. Israel has its aspirations too. And they have the backing of the USA which has its own aspirations in the Middle East as well.

You know, if this is actually what you believe it certainly doesn't come through in your posts. You accept the word of Hezbollah over Israel's even when it's extremely irrational, you are obviously buying into the most extreme Hezbollah propoganda, you have no problem with Al-Manar, which you claim to be familiar with (which I find highly doubtful), etc.
Most times it seems as if you will stretch as far as possible, sometimes even more than is possible to find fault with Israel. That is not what you are claiming in this post. If this post of your is true, we can all relax and have a rational discussion.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BBond
Here, check out this video. I like the parts where the Israeli soldiers are abusing defenseless Palestinians. Bashing a guy's head with a rock. Kicking him in the face. Insulting old women whose only crime is wanting to go home. Etc., etc., etc., -- just like animals.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1899129&enterthread=y

You want some videos of the aftermath of suicide bombers and rocket attacks? I have some pretty graphic ones I can send you when I get home. I mean it is always best to have the story from both sides right?

Both sides make mistakes, Israel as a policy does not target civilians. Hamas and Hez as a policy do. What more do you need to know?

That's like me punching you in the face and saying I wasn't targeting you, just a mosquito that was sitting on your nose.

Again, with 10k+ missiles launched in Lebannon why is the civilian casulties so low if they were targetting civilians? You guys are pathetic, keep avoiding the questions that matter.

I am not avoiding that at all.
What do you mean they are low? What is percentage of civilian casualties to military ones?

Here ya go...

25 missiles are launched (assuming only 10k missiles) for every civilian killed (assuming 400).

These are precision missiles, Is Israel really that bad of a shot? I mean, they are targetting civilians and all, it should take them less than 25 missiles to kill one person.

You are ducking the question. How many civilians are killed for every militant? By your calculations, Israel isn't targeting the militants either. Also, what makes you think all 10k missiles are guided, and secondly if a guided missile hits a 10 story apartment building because Israel claims a Hez fighter is hiding there, who do you think gets killed?

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

How many missiles is Israel using for every militant? By your logic they aren't targeting militants either, just because they are using too much ammo per kill.

Avoiding again. Again, you guys made the accusation, so defend it. Why are there not more civilians deaths with the amount of explosives being droped and an armed ground force now in Lebannon.

I noticed that you are avoiding before, you don't have to point it out for me again.
You still haven't answered my question, how many civilians are killed for every militant?
That is what matters. The footage I am seeing is that Israel is bombing Beirut and leveling multi-story apartment buildings in a city. If you made yourself believe that bombings like that mostly kill militants, that is your own personal self-delusion.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BBond
Here, check out this video. I like the parts where the Israeli soldiers are abusing defenseless Palestinians. Bashing a guy's head with a rock. Kicking him in the face. Insulting old women whose only crime is wanting to go home. Etc., etc., etc., -- just like animals.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1899129&enterthread=y

You want some videos of the aftermath of suicide bombers and rocket attacks? I have some pretty graphic ones I can send you when I get home. I mean it is always best to have the story from both sides right?

Both sides make mistakes, Israel as a policy does not target civilians. Hamas and Hez as a policy do. What more do you need to know?

That's like me punching you in the face and saying I wasn't targeting you, just a mosquito that was sitting on your nose.

Again, with 10k+ missiles launched in Lebannon why is the civilian casulties so low if they were targetting civilians? You guys are pathetic, keep avoiding the questions that matter.

I am not avoiding that at all.
What do you mean they are low? What is percentage of civilian casualties to military ones?

Here ya go...

25 missiles are launched (assuming only 10k missiles) for every civilian killed (assuming 400).

These are precision missiles, Is Israel really that bad of a shot? I mean, they are targetting civilians and all, it should take them less than 25 missiles to kill one person.

You are ducking the question. How many civilians are killed for every militant? By your calculations, Israel isn't targeting the militants either. Also, what makes you think all 10k missiles are guided, and secondly if a guided missile hits a 10 story apartment building because Israel claims a Hez fighter is hiding there, who do you think gets killed?

You are avoiding the obvious logic. You guys are saying Israel is targetting civilians. 25 missils for every death is a pretty costly civilain kill.

How many missiles is Israel using for every militant? By your logic they aren't targeting militants either, just because they are using too much ammo per kill.

Avoiding again. Again, you guys made the accusation, so defend it. Why are there not more civilians deaths with the amount of explosives being droped and an armed ground force now in Lebannon.

I noticed that you are avoiding before, you don't have to point it out for me again.
You still haven't answered my question, how many civilians are killed for every militant?
That is what matters. The footage I am seeing is that Israel is bombing Beirut and leveling multi-story apartment buildings in a city. If you made yourself believe that bombings like that mostly kill militants, that is your own personal self-delusion.

What matters is only if Israel is targetting civilians. Infrastructre, apartment buildings ect are fair game. So again, why are there not more civilian deaths in this war with the amount of missiles used and ground forces in?

You guys brought this to the table, I am asking for your reasoning when faced with some basic facts.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: RichardE

What matters is only if Israel is targetting civilians. Infrastructre, apartment buildings ect are fair game. So again, why are there not more civilian deaths in this war with the amount of missiles used and ground forces in?

You guys brought this to the table, I am asking for your reasoning when faced with some basic facts.

Is an Israeli bus "fair game" if there is a member of IDF riding on it?

 

[Jaylllo]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

An Israelie air raid struck a United Nations observation post and killed four U.N. observers in southern Lebanon, according to Lebanese security sources.

Again, like always, CNN does not have an actual link to the story yet.

Anyways, I would think that UN buildings would identified as such. Given Israel's current record in bombings this makes me think that Israel is acting very careless. Thoughts?

Don't forget http://www.ussliberty.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_%28AGTR-5%29

Israel has a habit of bombing unwanted "guests".