Israeli leader condemns Palestinian Muslim cleric

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Whiskey16

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you take every chance you get to hate on the jews but the second someone says something bad about muslims you get butthurt and start whining about bigotry...
Stop trolling. You validate the statist extremism of fascism.

Criticism of the state of Israel does not equate to "hate on the jews.

Many fellow Jews, as well as Israeli citizens share my validated sentiments against the behaviour and actions of Israel.
 

mrSHEiK124

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I am sure the percentage of Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians that were cast aside by their home nations and are now called Palestinians who hate Jews is much higher than in other nations. It simply makes sense.

What are you going on about? There were NO Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians "cast aside" and called Palestinians. It does not simply make sense. The exodus went the other way; Arabs were kicked out of Israel and made to consider themselves "Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians." I'm lucky enough that I am now American. I have been to my ancestral village, and I saw the ruins. Your claims are false.
 

Infohawk

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The polls states an unfavorable view, not hate nor wanting to exterminate Jews. I also didn't any mention of wanting violence perpetrated against the Jews either. So with that being said the polls don't back of your beliefs. Have a nice day.....

Do you want to admit you're not that familiar with polls of Muslim views on these issues? You pulled a number out of your butt and you have zero support for it.

I am considering a variety of polls (http://www.pewglobal.org/2005/07/14/islamic-extremism-common-concern-for-muslim-and-western-publics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_Polls)
When you see that huge numbers of Muslims support Osama Bin Laden, support suicide bombings and dislike Jews, it's reasonable to conclude that many Muslims support killing Jews. What's the alternative? Or do you think they think suicide bombings entails merely throwing pies in Jews' faces?
 

cybrsage

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What are you going on about? There were NO Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians "cast aside" and called Palestinians. It does not simply make sense. The exodus went the other way; Arabs were kicked out of Israel and made to consider themselves "Syrians, Jordanians, and Egyptians." I'm lucky enough that I am now American. I have been to my ancestral village, and I saw the ruins. Your claims are false.

The Gaza Strip belonged to Egypt. You are right about the West Bank, it was illegally occupied by Jordan until Israel kicked them out. However, it was called Trans-Jordan before that point...so it may still apply.

There has never been a nation called Palestine, so there are no displaced Palestinians.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
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A more recent poll than the one Infohawk is using to substantiate his view.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2...abs-prepared-for-peace-with-israel/?mobile=nc - 86% of Arabs prepared for peace with Israel.

http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk...llow-citizens-netanyahu-favours-birth-control - 75% of Israeli Jews favour deporting Israeli Arabs. What a bastion of democracy this wonderful country is! Equality for all*! [*Jewishness required]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...should-have-no-say-in-foreign-policy-1.327972

Do you want to admit you're not that familiar with polls of Muslim views on these issues? You pulled a number out of your butt and you have zero support for it.

I am considering a variety of polls (http://www.pewglobal.org/2005/07/14/islamic-extremism-common-concern-for-muslim-and-western-publics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_Polls)
When you see that huge numbers of Muslims support Osama Bin Laden, support suicide bombings and dislike Jews, it's reasonable to conclude that many Muslims support killing Jews. What's the alternative? Or do you think they think suicide bombings entails merely throwing pies in Jews' faces?

Respond.
 

StrangerGuy

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That "Religion of Peace" trolling meme, so often jumped upon by bigots who will dredge out any excuse they may be used to condemn and deride a far larger population, all to promote xenophobia and fear upon all Muslims.

How about a quotations from the end of days wackos in the USA -- including notable political figures -- who's core dogma is to use Zionist Jews as sacrificial fodder for the only their rewards. Let alone anti-Muslim propoganda by Israeli extremists.

Bigotry is bigotry, and peonyu, your posting track record to incite fear against and chastice all Muslims is clear. Anders Breivik must find content upon those who keep up his cause upon the internet.

Given how Islamic violence happens directed against Muslims let alone to Non-Muslims in such staggering frequency...It's called "rational fear of Islam".
 

Infohawk

Lifer
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I wonder why Palestinians view Jews unfavorably. There are 778,993 Palestinian refugees in the West Bank and 1,106,195 in Gaza [that's nearly Gaza's entire population].

When I say that Muslims in the middle-east dislike Jews you scream that I'm a bigot and that I'm misrepresenting Muslim beliefs. When I show you that polls and your own articles support my statement, you change your tune to, "can you blame them?" Seriously?
 

mrSHEiK124

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The Gaza Strip belonged to Egypt. You are right about the West Bank, it was illegally occupied by Jordan until Israel kicked them out. However, it was called Trans-Jordan before that point...so it may still apply.

There has never been a nation called Palestine, so there are no displaced Palestinians.

Shalom Mr. Gingrich!

Let me put it in clearer terms for you then. PRIOR to the existence of the modern State of Israel, there was a substantive and majority population of people of the Arab race living on all of the land. Not in Egypt, or Trans-Jordan. In the "British Mandate of Palestine." These people are now displaced. If you can argue with that fact, I will gladly listen. Did these people stop existing? Did they never exist? Is my grandfather a figment of my imagination? Is his extended family's exodus from a rural village 8 miles from Jerusalem part of my imagination? Or is the village itself imaginary, even though I've seen it with my own two eyes. Or my aunts and uncles who are scattered in refugee camps across the West Bank and Jordan?

 

Londo_Jowo

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Do you want to admit you're not that familiar with polls of Muslim views on these issues? You pulled a number out of your butt and you have zero support for it.

I am considering a variety of polls (http://www.pewglobal.org/2005/07/14/islamic-extremism-common-concern-for-muslim-and-western-publics/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism#Recent_Polls)
When you see that huge numbers of Muslims support Osama Bin Laden, support suicide bombings and dislike Jews, it's reasonable to conclude that many Muslims support killing Jews. What's the alternative? Or do you think they think suicide bombings entails merely throwing pies in Jews' faces?

Thanks for polls that actually show you're wrong. The polls show that most Muslims are concerned what extremists are doing in the name of their religion rather than supporting what they are doing. Nice try anyway.....
 

mrSHEiK124

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When I say that Muslims in the middle-east dislike Jews you scream that I'm a bigot and that I'm misrepresenting Muslim beliefs. When I show you that polls and your own articles support my statement, you change your tune to, "can you blame them?" Seriously?

You're misrepresenting the beliefs of ISLAM. People who study the scripture properly see that violence is only called for upon those who deal you violence. ALTHOUGH, again in that regard, I don't fucking blame them. No matter how you cut the number pie, Israelis are killing Palestinians, have been since the first Zionist immigrant showed up, and have consistently killed more Palestinians than any leveled Jewish casualties.

Define Jewish. Your argument is flimsier than mine. Given my physical appearance, ancestral residence, and ability to properly speak Hebrew (ask an Israeli to say ayin or het! ask them!) it is FAR MORE LIKELY that I am "ethincally Jewish" and converted to Islam sometime in the past millenium than the Eastern European immigrants who've been pillaging my country up for the past century.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
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Thanks for polls that actually show you're wrong. The polls show that most Muslims are concerned what extremists are doing in the name of their religion rather than supporting what they are doing. Nice try anyway.....

:whiste: He'll change the subject again and accuse me of it.
 

cybrsage

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Shalom Mr. Gingrich!

Let me put it in clearer terms for you then. PRIOR to the existence of the modern State of Israel, there was a substantive and majority population of people of the Arab race living on all of the land. Not in Egypt, or Trans-Jordan. In the "British Mandate of Palestine." These people are now displaced. If you can argue with that fact, I will gladly listen. Did these people stop existing? Did they never exist? Is my grandfather a figment of my imagination? Is his extended family's exodus from a rural village 8 miles from Jerusalem part of my imagination? Or is the village itself imaginary, even though I've seen it with my own two eyes. Or my aunts and uncles who are scattered in refugee camps across the West Bank and Jordan?

Interesting point about the refugees. Why do the other Islamic majority, Arab nations forcibly keep their Islamic, Arab brothers and sisters in a perpetual state of poverty?

Israel absorbed Jews from all over the world, many of which fled the Arab nations during the wars in which the Arabs from from Israel. Why don't the Arab nations absorb these poor people? Is it because they hate them (unlikely) or is it because they prefer to keep them useful as pawn in a power struggle with Israel?

I disagree with you that there was not a substatial Arab population in Egypt and Trans-Jordan. I think you are a little mixed up about that.

Palestine is a region, in the same way that Iberia is a region. We do not talk about the Iberian people, nor the Iberian issue, etc. Until the Isreali war, there were no Palestinians. Arafat himself was Egyptian.
 

Infohawk

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Thanks for polls that actually show you're wrong. The polls show that most Muslims are concerned what extremists are doing in the name of their religion rather than supporting what they are doing. Nice try anyway.....

Your intellectual dishonesty is gross. Who said anything about majority? You posted first with incredibly small figures (again taken out of your butt). My point was that the figures were much higher. Why don't you show some integrity and admit that you were way off base with your "0.001%, maybe 0.0015%" numbers.
 

Broheim

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I wonder why Palestinians view Jews unfavorably. There are 778,993 Palestinian refugees in the West Bank and 1,106,195 in Gaza [that's nearly Gaza's entire population].

Do you rationally believe they would hold a positive view towards the only Jews they've known? Most of whom profess to not follow the Jewish faith but rather maintain their Jewish "culture"? Who speak a language that was revived for Modern use less than one hundred years ago? Who maintain a charade to appropriate land that does not belong to them?

I don't fucking blame them. Twist that however you want.

you say that like it's a bad thing...
 
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Infohawk

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You're misrepresenting the beliefs of ISLAM. People who study the scripture properly see that violence is only called for upon those who deal you violence. ALTHOUGH, again in that regard, I don't fucking blame them. No matter how you cut the number pie, Israelis are killing Palestinians, have been since the first Zionist immigrant showed up, and have consistently killed more Palestinians than any leveled Jewish casualties.

Define Jewish. Your argument is flimsier than mine. Given my physical appearance, ancestral residence, and ability to properly speak Hebrew (ask an Israeli to say ayin or het! ask them!) it is FAR MORE LIKELY that I am "ethincally Jewish" and converted to Islam sometime in the past millenium than the Eastern European immigrants who've been pillaging my country up for the past century.

I posted to show that Londo_Jowo was saying nonsense about Muslim views on violence and Jews. I simply linked to polls done by others. You called me a bigot for linking to that, and now you're hysterical and ranting about things I never raised like racial attributes. I'm done with you.
 

mrSHEiK124

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Interesting point about the refugees. Why do the other Islamic majority, Arab nations forcibly keep their Islamic, Arab brothers and sisters in a perpetual state of poverty?

Israel absorbed Jews from all over the world, many of which fled the Arab nations during the wars in which the Arabs from from Israel. Why don't the Arab nations absorb these poor people? Is it because they hate them (unlikely) or is it because they prefer to keep them useful as pawn in a power struggle with Israel?

I disagree with you that there was not a substatial Arab population in Egypt and Trans-Jordan. I think you are a little mixed up about that.

Palestine is a region, in the same way that Iberia is a region. We do not talk about the Iberian people, nor the Iberian issue, etc. Until the Isreali war, there were no Palestinians. Arafat himself was Egyptian.

You haven't addressed my point at all. Did I say anything about Egyptians and "Trans-Jordanians" not being Arabs?

I'll be clear, again.

If there are no Palestinians, what do you call the Arabs who lived in the British Mandate of Palestine? The Arabs who lived there before there was a State of Israel, before there was a British Mandate of Palestine, before there was an Ottoman Empire, before th...? Supporters of Israel use "2000 years of exile" as a "valid" argument for expelling the Arabs. Well, why then, is it heinously anti-Semitic (again, Arabs are semites. And they never LEFT the land of Shem) to suggest that Pal...sorry, the Arabs who live there, should have any grudges at all regarding a very recent exile?
 

mrSHEiK124

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I posted to show that Londo_Jowo was saying nonsense about Muslim views on violence and Jews. I simply linked to polls done by others. You called me a bigot for linking to that, and now you're hysterical and ranting about things I never raised like racial attributes. I'm done with you.

I'm not. The numbers don't lie. Violence perpetuated by Jews, whether "Jewish as a race" or "Jewish as an ice cream flavor," towards Muslims, is greater than violence going the other direction. I don't need a fucking poll, I can look at the tombstones.
 

mrSHEiK124

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Re: Arafat was Egyptian.

Who said the leader of an exiled terrorist organization has anything to do with the demographic reality of millions of people?
 
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kylebisme

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he's criticizing the country, not the policy.
He's criticizing the country's policies.

he's saying Isreal loves to get bombed so they "can commit crimes".
Yeah, the Israeli establishment cites such bombings as an excuse to contenue robbing Palestinians of their land. For example sake:

Netanyahu also bragged how he undercut the peace process when he was prime minister during the Clinton administration. "They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords]," he said. "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."

It's not just bombings in Israel that Israel's Prime Minster considers helpful though:

The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on Wednesday reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
Whiskey isn't hating on Jews by pointing out such policy, and I'm sure he'd be happy to acknowledge the fact that many Jews hate on those same Israeli government policies just as much and even more than he does.
 

mrSHEiK124

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism#Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlements,_Palestinians,_and_human_rights

Again, I don't blame the polled Palestinians, although I wish they'd learn a little. They have every reason to hate the people directly responsible for what they're being put through. They should at least, draw a distinction between hating Jews, and hating Zionists. And do not tell me that Zionism and Judaism go hand-in-hand, Zionism is a modern ideology, and people have every right to hate it and simultaneously hold no ill-feelings towards Jews or the Jewish faith. You cannot call a Semite an anti-Semite.
 

kylebisme

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The Gaza Strip belonged to Egypt. You are right about the West Bank, it was illegally occupied by Jordan until Israel kicked them out.
Egypt never had any right to the Gaza Strip, just like Jordan never had any right to the West Bank, and Just like Israel doesn't have any right to either.

There has never been a nation called Palestine, so there are no displaced Palestinians.
The League of Nations: The Mandate for Palestine, July 24, 1922 suggests otherwise, "The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law" being the most obvious example.
 
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mrSHEiK124

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Egypt never had any right to the Gaza Strip, just like Jordan never had any right to the West Bank, and Just like Israel doesn't have any right to either.


The League of Nations: The Mandate for Palestine, July 24, 1922, suggests otherwise, "The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law" being the most obvious example.

Oh that's a mandate man, under British control. 5 million people don't exist, you're just imagining them. None of them were killed between 1922-1948. Or 1948-2012. All imagination. "Invention."

Very flimsy argument to be made by those that support a nation composed entirely of settlers.
 

Broheim

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Stop trolling. You validate the statist extremism of fascism.

Criticism of the state of Israel does not equate to "hate on the jews.

Many fellow Jews, as well as Israeli citizens share my validated sentiments against the behaviour and actions of Israel.

you say Isreal loves getting bombed, that's not the state, that's the country and by extension the people.
here you are calling JediYoda an "Isreali Zionist bigot", not a zionist bigot, but an Isreali zionist bigot.
You are a promoter of hate speech and as per your signature, an Israeli Zionist bigot.

anyways, you equate the criticizing of a speech by a muslim cleric to hating all muslims, so I'm gonna equate you criticizing Isreal to hating all Isrealis, you hypocritical fuck.
 
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