israeli navy fires on Gaza aid flotilla

[Nebor]

Did you guys know you can donate to the National Union party in Israel online? I didn't either, but I found out I could after reading this: "The blockade is illegal. Israel has no rights to steal humanitarian goods from Gaza."

Not as effective as writing a check to the Kahane Movement, but it also won't get you in trouble with the man.

Gaza is waging war against Israel. They shouldn't be allowed any food, water, or electricity, and civilian journalists should be barred from entering the area.

 

[PJABBER]

You are the dancing sock puppet here; falsely accusing me of supporting Hamas' crimes in a ridiculous attempt to defend Israel's crimes.

Dear Hamas sock puppet, please, please, pretty please, provide us with a post count of your criticisms of Hamas (if any) versus a post count of your attacks against Israel.

You are Hamas' little monkey face sock puppet, to be pulled and jerked in any way they want, an ever eager consumer and propagator of radical Islamist propaganda.

As one of several Hamas enablers here, including your kissing cousin flavio, you must accept that by your support you wear the blood of their victims on your hands and will bear moral responsibility for those victims yet to come should they receive the arms the Israeli blockade is meant to keep out of reach.

You poor, pathetic fool. Schooled in the post modern insanity that all causes are equivalent, that all morality is relative, that all principles, including those that justify genocide, are of equal and thus no value, you have no moral principle of your own and resort to defending the indefensible.

But, everybody knows this.

My own position is unequivocal. I am diametrically opposed, without exception, to the principles and the actions of Islamic theocratic nihilists like Hamas and Hizballoh with whom you stand shoulder to shoulder.

You should be ashamed of yourself, Hamas sock puppet.

 

[Nebor]

When push comes to shove, IMHO, its the UN and the security council who will have to get off their dead butts and decide on the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the Israeli blockade of Gaza. Or come to some compromise, but in such a compromise, it hard to envision some of the items Israeli blacklists from not getting a total green light.

Or as really better solution, why does Israel have any control over Gaza or the West Bank at all? Illegitimately gained land Israel can never own, and now just administers for lack of a better entity. Givens Israel's proven inability to administer this land fairly, or hold it in trust pending a final peace settlement rather than put it to their own greedy uses, why should not the UN tell Israel its being replaced with another entity or set of entities. The Arab League plus another entity could certainly do a better job than Israel has done, Israeli similarly flopped in Lebanon also when the international community were fool enough to allow Israel to administer Lebanon.

Israel was kind enough to give the nomadic Palestinian people some of Israel's land to live on permanently. Then the Palestinians continue to attack Israel. If Israel weren't keeping a close eye on the Palestinian state, and if you let the "Arab League" run things, Palestine would probably have a nuclear program started to attack Israel in less than a month.

 

[flavio]

PJABBER - I've started reporting your posts as you do nothing but troll with personal attacks lately.

If you can't discuss an issue like an adult go somewhere else with your Israeli sock puppet propaganda.

 

[palehorse]

Most civilized nations do not blockade other nations without some indication that doing so is legal. Therefore it is up to you -- by way of some sort of international court with proper jurisdiction -- to prove legality. If you can't you certainly can't claim it is legal when all indications are that it is illegal.

So... please demonstrate that an international court or ruling body has found the blockade to be legal. If you cannot do so, then the assumption must remain that that their actions are illegal. Especially after being warned by the UN that they are illegal.

"During the reporting period, Israel continued its blockade[49] of the border crossings into Gaza, restricting severely all imports and exports. Insofar as it constitutes collective punishment of all persons in Gaza, including the civilian population, the blockade is itself a violation of international humanitarian law."

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A.HRC.12.37.pdf

lol.. you're hopeless.

The "UN" did not warn anyone... a single woman with a draft report does not = UN. The UNSC itself has not ruled on the issue one way or the other, period.

Then, to make matters worse, you still don't understand the basic concepts of legality vs. illegality, or international law.

Wake me up when an international court, or ruling body with proper jurisdiction, has found the blockade to be illegal. Until then, Israel can/should carry on with their otherwise legal blockade of Gaza.

 

[flavio]

Israel was kind enough to give the nomadic Palestinian people some of Israel's land to live on permanently. Then the Palestinians continue to attack Israel. If Israel weren't keeping a close eye on the Palestinian state, and if you let the "Arab League" run things, Palestine would probably have a nuclear program started to attack Israel in less than a month.

Wow, you really don't have a grasp on history.

 

[Noobtastic]

Sure, like the ICJ did in regard to Israel's separation barrier built on Palestinian territory, but Israel has no regard for internal law, and US veto power over the UNSC keeps the world from doing anything to stop Israel's criminal acts.

a non-binding IJC resolution, which was basically pushed by pro-Palestinian cronies?

israel's west bank barrier is predicated on international law, and the US has never vetoed any resolution of substance outside Islamic-gang banging.

You know how UN resolutions work right?

Super majority in the UNGA allow Muslim states to basically submit any resolution they want. They could write a resolution that says the world is flat and Israel flattened it and it would pass 180-5-10 abstinations.

sorry USA is one of the few countries to have yet been corrupted by oil and converted into an Islamic oil lapdog.

 

[highland145]

Anyone with cliffs from post 925 to now?

 

[kylebisme]

a non-binding IJC resolution...

Not a resolution, but rather a legal finding which demonstrates how the path of Israel's separation barrier though Palestinian territory is flagrantly illegal, as explained here.

Super majority in the UNGA allow Muslim states...

Muslims states don't even have anything close to a majority in the UN, let alone a supermajority.

 

[Jaskalas]

sorry USA is one of the few countries to have yet been corrupted by oil and converted into an Islamic oil lapdog.

Oh I wouldn't say that.....

 

[Noobtastic]

Not a resolution, but rather a legal finding which demonstrates how the path of Israel's separation barrier though Palestinian territory is flagrantly illegal, as explained here.

I'm not disputing the "legal finding." A body of appointed-European lawyers simply saying something illegal is what I dispute.

Muslims states don't even have anything close to a majority in the UN, let alone a supermajority.

They have more than a majority, they have a super majority.

The OIC is more than a 1/3 of the UN:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

Non-alignment movement has a super-majority.

This is why the Arabs and Muslim states have majority's in the special councils, with the exception of the UNSC - and are able to bar Israel from joining the UNSC even though every other nation has at one point or another.

Why else has Israel been subject to more UN resolutions than all 200 UN member states combined?

 

[PJABBER]

Not a resolution, but rather a legal finding which demonstrates how the path of Israel's separation barrier though Palestinian territory is flagrantly illegal, as explained here.

While I personally do believe a partitioning wall offers some respite from attack from a proximate hostile population, and as we in the U.S., like Israel, do not yet subject ourselves to the findings of the ICJ, it would be most interesting to hear from one of our resident Hamas sock puppets exactly how else Israel should deal with rocket and suicide bomber attacks coming from Gaza should the wall be torn down and the blockade lifted.

C'mon, sorry little sock puppet, how would you respond to a re-armed Hamas that will target a civilian population with new and more powerful Iranian missiles and the flow of bomb vest laden Hamas fanatics targeting Israeli civilians in markets and schools?

 

[kylebisme]

I'm not disputing the "legal finding."

I'm glad, because arguments that the path of Israels separation barrier is anything but illegal are inane.

They have more than a majority, they have a super majority.

The OIC is more than a 1/3 of the UN:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference

As one can see on Wikipedia, OIC is 57 of the 192 UN member states, which puts them at under 1/3 of the UN, and leaves Muslim states well under a majority in the UN. Granted, that doesn't stop delusional freaks like yourself from making claims to the contrary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

Non-alignment movement has a super-majority.

While the Non-Aligned Movement member states are 61% of the UN, only 48% of the NAM members are Muslim states.

While I personally do believe a partitioning wall offers some respite from attack from a proximate hostile population...

I know it does, and I fully support that goal, but I only support the portions of the separation barrier which are legally located on Israeli territory, not those illegally located on Palestinian territory.

...it would be most interesting to hear from one of our resident Hamas sock puppets...

Best I can tell, the only Hamas supporters here are in your deranged mind.

 

[PJABBER]

I know it does, and I fully support that goal, but I only support the portions of the separation barrier which are legally located on Israeli territory, not those illegally located on Palestinian territory.

So, you do support a massive barrier to separate Gaza from Egypt and Israel. Why is that, when the existence of a barrier of any kind is proscribed by the ICJ?

Being blindered to the reality of what brought about a barrier system in the first place, the ICJ proposes open borders with free flow of people and goods. How smart is that and why should anyone take such an opinion seriously?

Again, in the interest of debate, take a shot at proposing a solution to this dilemma - what exactly would you propose that is effectively going to stop Hamas attacks on Israel and Israel, in turn, responding?

 

[EagleKeeper]

So, you do support a massive barrier to separate Gaza from Egypt and Israel. Why is that, when the existence of a barrier of any kind is proscribed by the ICJ?

Being blindered to the reality of what brought about a barrier system in the first place, the ICJ proposes open borders with free flow of people and goods. How smart is that and why should anyone take such an opinion seriously?

Again, in the interest of debate, take a shot at proposing a solution to this dilemma - what exactly would you propose that is effectively going to stop Hamas attacks on Israel and Israel, in turn, responding?

In the larger picture - what will cause Hamas to stop the attacks (both by themselves and the other militants that operate with their blessing).

No attacks - better relations.

 

[palehorse]

Best I can tell, the only Hamas supporters here are in your deranged mind.

Does that mean that you and flavio are figments of PJABBER's imagination?

trippy...

 

[Freshgeardude]

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=178081

On Wednesday, Palestinian liaison official Raed Fattouh, who coordinates the flow of goods into Gaza with Israel, said that soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy were now permitted. Some products have already entered Gaza, and others would cross in the coming days, he said.

The ban remained in place on all construction and industrial materials.

So, what are people going to complain now? they have their chocolate and candy and cookies. Hamas will stop attacking israel now

 

[KMFJD]

Did you guys know you can donate to the National Union party in Israel online? I didn't either, but I found out I could after reading this: "The blockade is illegal. Israel has no rights to steal humanitarian goods from Gaza."

Not as effective as writing a check to the Kahane Movement, but it also won't get you in trouble with the man.

Gaza is waging war against Israel. They shouldn't be allowed any food, water, or electricity, and civilian journalists should be barred from entering the area.

If they played nice with Israel like the West Bank does, it wouldn't be in this predicament.

 

[Noobtastic]

I'm glad, because arguments that the path of Israels separation barrier is anything but illegal are inane.


As one can see on Wikipedia, OIC is 57 of the 192 UN member states, which puts them at under 1/3 of the UN, and leaves Muslim states well under a majority in the UN. Granted, that doesn't stop delusional freaks like yourself from making claims to the contrary.


While the Non-Aligned Movement member states are 61% of the UN, only 48% of the NAM members are Muslim states.


I know it does, and I fully support that goal, but I only support the portions of the separation barrier which are legally located on Israeli territory, not those illegally located on Palestinian territory.


Best I can tell, the only Hamas supporters here are in your deranged mind.

The muslim states control the UN through the non-alignment movement and OIC.

Get it???

How else is Saudi Arabia and Pakistan on the UNHRC?

The UN has become an israel-hate fest, as confirmed by many of its former leadership including Kofi Annan.

Muslims sit on 2/3 of the world's oil resources, they control energy - they control the third world.

The UN has not only done nothing to stop genocides sponsored by muslim states, but has in fact tacitly supported them.

 

[flavio]

Does that mean that you and flavio are figments of PJABBER's imagination?

trippy...

Point out how I am supporting Hamas. I think you're confusing "disagreeing with anything Israel does" with "supporting Hamas". It's a common mistake among the hasbar/megaphone people.

 

[flavio]

So, what are people going to complain now? they have their chocolate and candy and cookies. Hamas will stop attacking israel now

Maybe they could allow the fishing supplies, greenhouse supplies, hatchery supplies, heaters, sewing machines, etc.

 

[flavio]

The muslim states control the UN through the non-alignment movement and OIC.

No, they don't.

The UN has become an israel-hate fest, as confirmed by many of its former leadership including Kofi Annan.

You confuse disagreeing with Israel with "hate", A common mistake among hasbara/megaphone people.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Maybe they could allow the fishing supplies, greenhouse supplies, hatchery supplies, heaters, sewing machines, etc.

maybe you dont understand what a blockade is.

 

[flavio]

A lot of us see their illegal blockade for exactly what it is.

 

[Noobtastic]

A lot of us see their illegal blockade for exactly what it is.

a lot of you < everyone else

No, they don't.

persuasive. really - muslim and arab lobby have a super-majority in the UN through the non-alignment movement. This is why they are immune to UN resolutions and are rarely, if ever subject to international condemnation.

like i said - explain to me why israel has been subject to more UN resolutions than all other nations combined? why the arab-israeli conflict takes up more time in the UN than all on-going conflicts?

You confuse disagreeing with Israel with "hate", A common mistake among hasbara/megaphone people. __________________

You don't disagree with Israel - you disagree with logic, reason, and sanity.