israeli navy fires on Gaza aid flotilla

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Freshgeardude

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Exactly, nobody is blaming Israel for this.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/israel.gaza.raid.reaction/

Thanks Israel!

no, the countries' leaders will understand israel's position. those in power.

the only ones who will blame israel are those leaders who profit from israel's demise, such as Iran's leaders, syria, lebanon, etc. AND the brainwashed retarded muslims around the world, mostly in europe, who hear the words "israel" and "attacked" and "gaza" and are ready to die for their cause and become martyrs
 

SandEagle

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1) the aid ships were 80 miles out in international waters.
2) civilians killed while asleep
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0...s-activists-on-route-to-gaza-on-the-open-sea/

3) why were the ships getting routed to Ashdod? i bet not even 5% of the aid would have reached the Palestinians.

4) what gives israel the right to blockade gaza? widespread diseases and malnutrition due to collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is an international crime

5) all of the israel-can-do-know-wrong apologists here should be ashamed for blaming the victims. for once just admit, they screwed up.
 

Oric

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Israel is within its rights to search ships that have announced intentions to break its blockade... for all we know, maybe they were planning on making sure that they weren't smuggling in weapons or other blocked items before sending them on their way.

had the Turks not opened fire on the Israelis, their deaths could have been avoided.

The ships set sailed from European ports, were examined by custom officials and no weapons were on board. There were 36 different nationals on board, what makes you think that it is only Turks who wanted to set a fight with armed to the teeth commandos, the allegation that the people on ship opened fire on Israeli army is absurd. Only you have to listen and believe in propaganda to claim such a thing. You don't take a risk against an army with only a pistol in your hand. This is a well known "after propaganda " of the victorous side. "They attacked first" .. Yeah, we fell for that.
 

SamurAchzar

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The ships set sailed from European ports, were examined by custom officials and no weapons were on board. There were 36 different nationals on board, what makes you think that it is only Turks who wanted to set a fight with armed to the teeth commandos, the allegation that the people on ship opened fire on Israeli army is absurd. Only you have to listen and believe in propaganda to claim such a thing. You don't take a risk against an army with only a pistol in your hand. This is a well known "after propaganda " of the victorous side. "They attacked first" .. Yeah, we fell for that.

You probably missed the footage where Israeli commandos are hammered with sticks right upon their landing.
 

Sclamoz

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1) the aid ships were 80 miles out in international waters.
2) civilians killed while asleep
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0...s-activists-on-route-to-gaza-on-the-open-sea/

3) why were the ships getting routed to Ashdod? i bet not even 5% of the aid would have reached the Palestinians.

4) what gives israel the right to blockade gaza? widespread diseases and malnutrition due to collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is an international crime

5) all of the israel-can-do-know-wrong apologists here should be ashamed for blaming the victims. for once just admit, they screwed up.

That's all been covered in this thread I believe. Israel legally had the right to board/stop the ship as they intended to run a blockade and refused to stop for inspection.

I haven't seen anything credible about civilians being killed (people fighting soldiers with knives and batons don't fall into that category) in their sleep and veterans today is pretty much a crackpot site.
 

Freshgeardude

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1) the aid ships were 80 miles out in international waters.

under international law, israel was well within its rights to stop the flotilla, go back in the thread and read up
2) civilians killed while asleep
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0...s-activists-on-route-to-gaza-on-the-open-sea/

you forgot to mention "according to eye witnesses" which means ULTRA BIASED beyond belief.

secondly, I wouldnt believe an article which lies in its details . 9 ships? there were 6. 800 people? there were 600 to 700. 16 unarmed people killed? try people with knifes, clubs, and guns. 50 nationals? there were 36.

in a few minutes I have already deemd that article full of lies and bias. what makes you think that i will sit here and believe an "eye witness" claiming people were killed in their sleep.

HELL if a country's navy is right outside telling your ship to stop or get boarded, I dont see how any of them would be able to sleep through it.

3) why were the ships getting routed to Ashdod? i bet not even 5% of the aid would have reached the Palestinians.
ashdod is near a prison where these people will sit if they dont peacefully get deported.

Israel on MULTIPLE occasions said they would transfer the supplies for the flotilla peacefully and acceptable in Israel's eyes.

4) what gives israel the right to blockade gaza? widespread diseases and malnutrition due to collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is an international crime

how about a terrorist organization coming into power and the launch of hundreds of rockets and mortars at israeli civilians?

5) all of the israel-can-do-know-wrong apologists here should be ashamed for blaming the victims. for once just admit, they screwed up.

physically, no they didnt screw up. politically they did, which i agree on.

Learn your facts before you come in an bash israel like you normally do.
 
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SarcasticDwarf

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1) the aid ships were 80 miles out in international waters.
2) civilians killed while asleep
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/0...s-activists-on-route-to-gaza-on-the-open-sea/

3) why were the ships getting routed to Ashdod? i bet not even 5% of the aid would have reached the Palestinians.

4) what gives israel the right to blockade gaza? widespread diseases and malnutrition due to collective punishment of the entire Palestinian population is an international crime

5) all of the israel-can-do-know-wrong apologists here should be ashamed for blaming the victims. for once just admit, they screwed up.

1) Your point is irrelevant. Per the legal arguments posted earlier in this thread it seems that Israel was legally allowed to do what they did.

2) The website you posted does not load and has a clearly inflamatory headline. There are also videos showing the passengers of the boat attacking the IDF.

3) I dunno, why don't we let you decide where to route them to since you so clearly understand Israeli logistics.

4) Irrelevant to this discussion.

5) The people on that ship
* Intentionally provoked a fight
* Were trying to make something like this happen
* Refused to follow inspection orders
* Attacked and attempted to kill the boarding IDF members

I don't think there ARE any victims here.
 

Oric

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You probably missed the footage where Israeli commandos are hammered with sticks right upon their landing.

Assuming that that was the initial point of contact (The ship and the occupants might have been attacked before we don't know that for sure) that shows how amateur/provacative the Israeli army is acting. Why on earth are you sending the commandos in the middle of the crowd without firing tear gas etc ? If every riot in the world were suppressed by gun fire like Israel does the world would be a big quiet dictatorship.
 

jpeyton

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Netanyahu should consider a career in advertising, because PR like this is priceless.

Front page of the NYT? Check.

Washington Post? Check.

WSJ? Check.

CNN? MSNBC? Faux News? Check.
 
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nageov3t

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Netanyahu should consider a career in advertising, because PR like this is priceless.
what exactly is toothless international condemnation going to do to Israel?

a strongly worded letter from the UN isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
 

Freshgeardude

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Assuming that that was the initial point of contact (The ship and the occupants might have been attacked before we don't know that for sure) that shows how amateur/provacative the Israeli army is acting. Why on earth are you sending the commandos in the middle of the crowd without firing tear gas etc ? If every riot in the world were suppressed by gun fire like Israel does the world would be a big quiet dictatorship.


MORE DENIAL LOL!!!!

yea, in think both sides said the israeli commandos came first from the upper deck, which that video clearly shows.


You are really comical, you simply can not agree that israel was allowed to do this
 

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Assuming that that was the initial point of contact (The ship and the occupants might have been attacked before we don't know that for sure) that shows how amateur/provacative the Israeli army is acting. Why on earth are you sending the commandos in the middle of the crowd without firing tear gas etc ? If every riot in the world were suppressed by gun fire like Israel does the world would be a big quiet dictatorship.

They're on the deck of a moving boat, tear gas is going dispersed almost instantly. The soldiers were initially using paint ball guns probably loaded with pepper balls for this reason, but some of the activists were wearing gas masks as you can see in the video below and after the soldiers get shot/stabbed/beaten they switch to live ammo.

http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/05/...assengers-attacking-idf-soldiers-31-may-2010/
 

SamurAchzar

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Assuming that that was the initial point of contact (The ship and the occupants might have been attacked before we don't know that for sure) that shows how amateur/provacative the Israeli army is acting. Why on earth are you sending the commandos in the middle of the crowd without firing tear gas etc ? If every riot in the world were suppressed by gun fire like Israel does the world would be a big quiet dictatorship.

a) It worked perfectly well with the other 5 ships. That must have been a preplanned trap

b) How would it look on TV if you gas civilians, unprovoked?

Having said that, something obviously didn't go well.
 

wwswimming

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Wow!

The Zionist apologists are coming out of the woodwork.

true. the comments here tell us far more about the posters than about the incident.

some people think Israel has the right to kill aid workers in international waters.

the jig is up. Israel has shown their true nature. so have the Israeli supporters.
 

jpeyton

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what exactly is toothless international condemnation going to do to Israel?

a strongly worded letter from the UN isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
What exactly does killing 15 activists on a ship carrying cement and wheelchairs do for Israel? Nothing.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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true. the comments here tell us far more about the posters than about the incident.

some people think Israel has the right to kill aid workers in international waters.

the jig is up. Israel has shown their true nature. so have the Israeli supporters.

Aid workers? What aid workers? Ah, wait, I see. You consider people who planned to confront the IDF, planned to attack them, try to kill them, etc to be aid workers. That makes plenty of sense.
 

nageov3t

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What exactly does killing 15 activists on a ship carrying cement and wheelchairs do for Israel? Nothing.
had Israel let the ship continue on and break the blockade, what's the point of it? next thing you know, weapon smuggling will resume and rockets will be raining down on Israel from Gaza once again, the reason the blockade came to be in the first place.
 

Aegeon

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true. the comments here tell us far more about the posters than about the incident.

some people think Israel has the right to kill aid workers in international waters.

the jig is up. Israel has shown their true nature. so have the Israeli supporters.
The "aid workers" in question were armed and attacked the Israeli troops who fired back in self defense. It appears Israel had clear justification under international law to board and inspect the ships at the point in question.
 
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Danube

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What exactly does killing 15 activists on a ship carrying cement and wheelchairs do for Israel? Nothing.

...and knives..and they were firing pistols. Wonder if they had any of those 2 yr old terrorists they like with them.

""It was like a well-planned lynch,” one IDF officer said. “These people were anything but peace activists.”



 

waggy

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lol they were just talking about this on Tv. they admit that Israel WANTED the PR (wich is why TV cameras there). they wanted to show that they would board ships with strenght and tamper that with mercy (the paintballs).

BUT...it went wrong and they are not getting the PR they wanted.



I don't blame the people on the ship for attacking them for well attacking and boarding teh ship. sure Israel had a legal right to do it. But i can't blame them for defending the ship.
 

JEDIYoda

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The ships set sailed from European ports, were examined by custom officials( no the ships were not examined by customs officials) and no weapons were on board.( just for shit and grins lets pretend that a customs official did inspect the boats...there was nothing preventing the boats from taking on cargo after they left port....) There were 36 different nationals on board, what makes you think that it is only Turks who wanted to set a fight with armed to the teeth commandos, the allegation that the people on ship opened fire on Israeli army is absurd. Only you have to listen and believe in propaganda to claim such a thing. (actually you are wrong-- if they had nothing to hide then why not let the commandoes baord ? YES-- the ships occupants did draw first blood)You don't take a risk against an army with only a pistol in your hand. This is a well known "after propaganda " of the victorous side. "They attacked first" .. Yeah, we fell for that.

So lets dispell your obvious mis-information...
 
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