israeli navy fires on Gaza aid flotilla

[TheRickRoller]

VERY different circumstance here. The ship had been given PLENTY of fair warning. History of weapon smuggling into gaza has barred any imports of "aid" unless it goes through israeli hands.

Israel, as far as I read, offered to give gaza the "supplies" the legit way, through israel, if the activists wanted, obviously they said no or they wouldnt be in this position.

Problem being, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters, and of the waters of Gaza. They can shout until they're blue in the cheeks, lawfully they had nothing they could do.

Says who? Guess you missed the part about the flotillas were not peaceful humanitarians, at all, but rather militants who were preparing for provocation and violence, and shipping of illegal goods. If Israeli had half a brain those fools would not have boarded anything but sunk them all. Instead, like the fools they are, they boarded and got themselves goated and killed.

Says who? Really, members from 50 different countries were all pro-palestinian militants? Houses, cement, steel, wheelchairs, food can be used as weapons now? Pray tell, watch the video link I posted. One crew member was wielding some yellow pole, no other had weapons. Tell me, how effective is a pole versus an army helicopter? That chopper was just hovering there. If they were militants... they couldn't even store one RPG aboard? One pistol?

 

[iGas]

Says who? Guess you missed the part about the flotillas were not peaceful humanitarians, at all, but rather militants who were preparing for provocation and violence, and shipping of illegal goods. If Israeli had half a brain those fools would not have boarded anything but sunk them all. Instead, like the fools they are, they boarded and got themselves goated and killed (at least one solder)

From the horses mouth, DEBKAfile.

"Between 10-14 dead estimated, dozens injured, on the pro-Palestinian flotilla lead boat, the Turkish Marmora with 600 activists aboard, intercepted by Israeli naval commandos 80 miles out at sea, Monday, May 31."

 

[jpeyton]

This incident should add nicely to the anti-Israeli sentiment building up internationally.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Says who? Really, members from 50 different countries were all pro-palestinian militants? Houses, cement, steel, wheelchairs, food can be used as weapons now? Pray tell, watch the video link I posted. One crew member was wielding some yellow pole, no other had weapons. Tell me, how effective is a pole versus an army helicopter? That chopper was just hovering there. If they were militants... they couldn't even store one RPG aboard? One pistol?

So who injured all these soldiers? The waves? The seagulls? Maybe other Israelis?

 

[Zebo]

What kind of a "civilian peace protester" carries batons, knives and swords?

The kind that wants to chop your head off if you're not down with his version of peace of course.

 

[CitizenKain]

What kind of a "civilian peace protester" carries batons, knives and swords?

The kind that know that Israel is going to board your ship and try to murder people on it.

Can't wait to see Israel fabricate stories about weapons being onboard. Maybe they'll sprinkle some crack on the bodies to help the story.

 

[iGas]

So who injured all these soldiers? The waves? The seagulls? Maybe other Israelis?

What kind of injuries did they sustained?
Paper cuts, or tripped over their own guns perhaps?

 

[Zebo]

This incident should add nicely to the anti-Israeli sentiment building up internationally.

Something liberals never understand (which is surprising considering they believe in moral relativism) - might makes right - always has always will. And if Israeli would execute their might people follow because people follow the strong horse not the weak and sickly one.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Problem being, Israel has no jurisdiction in international waters, and of the waters of Gaza. They can shout until they're blue in the cheeks, lawfully they had nothing they could do.

actually speaking, israel can do whatever it wants on gaza's waters and the world wont care. at least the sane ones.

did you know that gaza was pushing containers off their coast to float up into israel's beaches to cause anarchy? I believe they contained nothing, but could have contained bombs, equally causing the chaos they wanted.


Says who? Really, members from 50 different countries were all pro-palestinian militants? Houses, cement, steel, wheelchairs, food can be used as weapons now? Pray tell, watch the video link I posted. One crew member was wielding some yellow pole, no other had weapons. Tell me, how effective is a pole versus an army helicopter? That chopper was just hovering there. If they were militants... they couldn't even store one RPG aboard? One pistol?

as far as I can remember, you can still kill someone with a pole, a knife, or any simple weapon that can easily be crafted on a ship.


Israel wasnt there for a fight, they were there to avoid one, but were obviously prepared for one.

The activists had three options once israel intercepted their boats.
1. turn around and leave.
2. get taken over, go to ashdod, and willingly get deported
3. same as number 2, except get put in prison.


they could have chosen any of the three, and it seems number 3 will be what will happen to them

 

[CitizenKain]

Maybe next time Turkey can send some cruisers with the aid ships. Since the ships wouldn't be staffed with unarmed civilians, the Israelis would have no choice but to turn away.

 

[TheRickRoller]

The activists had three options once israel intercepted their boats.
1. turn around and leave.
2. get taken over, go to ashdod, and willingly get deported
3. same as number 2, except get put in prison.


they could have chosen any of the three, and it seems number 3 will be what will happen to them

Yes, I'm sure as all good people on this planet, would willingly say "Well thats it, you got us. Where is the nearest jail, good sir?"

To your nested quotes:
actually speaking, israel can do whatever it wants on gaza's waters and the world wont care. at least the sane ones.

Ones who follow international law care.


did you know that gaza was pushing containers off their coast to float up into israel's beaches to cause anarchy? I believe they contained nothing, but could have contained bombs, equally causing the chaos they wanted.

I could give two shits about Gaza, non gazaians were the focus of the attack here.

as far as I can remember, you can still kill someone with a pole, a knife, or any simple weapon that can easily be crafted on a ship.

Elite commandos dressed in full gear, body armor, the works, with sub machine guns, helicopter cover. Yeah, it must've been scary for the poor Israelis.

Israel wasnt there for a fight, they were there to avoid one, but were obviously prepared for one.

Elephant shit. You don't airdrop commandos armed to the teeth, to just say "Tally ho good chaps, we'll take those goods from here".

 

[kylebisme]

So who injured all these soldiers? The waves? The seagulls? Maybe other Israelis?

Other Israelis seems most likely, particularly considering the fact that during the Gaza massacre Israel lost more solders to friendly fire than they did civilians to Hamas attacks.

 

[iGas]

Something liberals never understand - might makes right - always has always will. And if Israeli would execute their might people follow because people follow the strong horse not the weak and sickly one.

If that is the case then the world & the American would have let the Nazi gassed every Jew on this planet.

 

[Oric]

European Union has announced "a non conditional right for passage of aid ships" to Israel

note : Out of those 6 ships only 1 is Turkish, 2 of those ships are Greek and carry MP's of some EU nations

 

[jpeyton]

Mission accomplished, I'd say:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37423584/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

The operation in international waters off the Gaza coast was a nightmare scenario for Israel that looked certain to further damage its international standing, strain already tense relations with Turkey and draw unwanted attention to Gaza's plight

 

[SamurAchzar]

To my understanding the violence only took place on the Turkish ship. Anyway, we'll wait and see what happens. If they were indeed unarmed, shame on Israel. If, like IDF said, they tried to mob lynch the soldiers with knives and swords, then I'm very happy for IDF that they finished this with no loss of life on their side.

One way or another, it's a case study for the next Terrorist-sympathizing clowns that look to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

 

[Zebo]

If that is the case then the world & the American would have let the Nazi gassed every Jew on this planet.

You fool. You think we gave a shit about jews in WWII? Turning back ships and such. We would have let them continue but Nazism posed a threat to American world view and power and had to be stopped.

 

[Zebo]

Mission accomplished, I'd say:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37423584/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Bring it bitches. Please. This 60 years of half warfare is getting old.

 

[Oric]

To my understanding the violence only took place on the Turkish ship. Anyway, we'll wait and see what happens. If they were indeed unarmed, shame on Israel. If, like IDF said, they tried to mob lynch the soldiers with knives and swords, then I'm very happy for IDF that they finished this with no loss of life on their side.

One way or another, it's a case study for the next Terrorist-sympathizing clowns that look to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

Israel has attacked those ships on international waters, they are no better than Somalian pirates in terms of International Laws, second they had all means to stop these ships without use of deadly force, sending commandos armed to the teeth right in the middle of crowds is a carefully selected provocation on their side.

 

[TheRickRoller]

One way or another, it's a case study for the next Terrorist-sympathizing clowns that look to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

This just in, a holocaust survivor and a nobel laureate are known terrorist-sympathizers. The world also condemns the dirty Greeks, known for a long time to be pro-Palestinian. :awe:

 

[Freshgeardude]

Yes, I'm sure as all good people on this planet, would willingly say "Well thats it, you got us. Where is the nearest jail, good sir?"

To your nested quotes:
actually speaking, israel can do whatever it wants on gaza's waters and the world wont care. at least the sane ones.

Ones who follow international law care.



did you know that gaza was pushing containers off their coast to float up into israel's beaches to cause anarchy? I believe they contained nothing, but could have contained bombs, equally causing the chaos they wanted.

I could give two shits about Gaza, non gazaians were the focus of the attack here.

as far as I can remember, you can still kill someone with a pole, a knife, or any simple weapon that can easily be crafted on a ship.

Elite commandos dressed in full gear, body armor, the works, with sub machine guns, helicopter cover. Yeah, it must've been scary for the poor Israelis.

Israel wasnt there for a fight, they were there to avoid one, but were obviously prepared for one.

Elephant shit. You don't airdrop commandos armed to the teeth, to just say "Tally ho good chaps, we'll take those goods from here".

4 bolds, 4 responses.

1. no the ones that follow international law let israel do what it deems necessary to keep its country safe. may that be a blockade on gaza, tightened borders, a strong military, or stoping 'aid" from getting to gaza by a bunch of people claiming they are peaceful and then start a fight by grabbing a soldier's gun.

2. actually this has everything to do with gaza.you are a fucking moron. where do you think these ships were headed? a bottomless pit? Israel has a blockade on gaza, also blockaded by egypt, because people had smuggled weapons into gaza to attack israelis and instill fear for years in innocent civilians who only had 15 seconds to run from a missile which would land at a random spot, possibly killing your 3 year old child who wasnt old enough to understand the severity of the problem, or your 10 year old child who tripped on a rock was wouldnt be able to make it to the bunker.

Israel had a ban on supplies to gaza. period. this flotilla was heading to gaza.

3. yea, sure the activists wouldnt take over the whole army, but they dont want any of their soldiers killed. Especially when they were going on foreign ships they have repeatably denied entry to. For all the israeli's knew, they were headed onto boats rigged with explosives and weapons ready to strike at the first israeli that landed. It happened plenty in Operation Cast Lead. Schools, mosques, apartments, etc were rigged to explode once and israeli walked inside.

Suicide bombers are not rare these days. what makes you think israelis wouldnt expect a boat to have them?

4. No israeli commandos landed to give the people a stronger warning. You dont demand people to do anything in your boxers and a pencil. israel has given plenty of warning in the weeks before their voyage, as well as plenty of warning before boarding the ships.

If a group of people did not listen to your warnings, especially up against a group of navy commandos, you must expect these people to be idiots or smugglers thinly disguised as "activists"

 

[SamurAchzar]

This just in, a holocaust survivor and a nobel laureate are known terrorist-sympathizers. The world also condemns the dirty Greeks, known for a long time to be pro-Palestinian. :awe:

What's the difference between supporting Hamas and supporting Taliban?

 

[SamurAchzar]

Israel has attacked those ships on international waters, they are no better than Somalian pirates in terms of International Laws, second they had all means to stop these ships without use of deadly force, sending commandos armed to the teeth right in the middle of crowds is a carefully selected provocation on their side.

I think they had better ways to stop it (namely incapacitate the ships underwater). Nevertheless, provocation or not, these people were not peaceful protesters.

 

[Zebo]

To my understanding the violence only took place on the Turkish ship. Anyway, we'll wait and see what happens. If they were indeed unarmed, shame on Israel. If, like IDF said, they tried to mob lynch the soldiers with knives and swords, then I'm very happy for IDF that they finished this with no loss of life on their side.

One way or another, it's a case study for the next Terrorist-sympathizing clowns that look to undermine Israel's sovereignty.

One Israeili solder was killed according to Arutz Sheva

 

[iGas]

One Israeili solder was killed according to Arutz Sheva

One IDF soldier was critically wounded. A crew member reportedly snatched a gun from an IDF soldier and then opened fire on the troops. Another soldier was stabbed in the stomach with a sharp object. The soldier is in moderate condition and was transferred for medical treatment by helicopter to Rambam Hospital in Haifa.