Israeli Spy to appeal sentence

[lozina]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/09/01/pollard/index.html

I'm siding with our intelligence officials on this. This man is a traitor and should be considered lucky to be allowed to live a life sentence.

 

[kage69]

Israel biting the hand that feeds and protects it yet again!

Let that sack of shyte rot I say.

 

[tnitsuj]

I would have taken him out and shot him. Thier should be no excuse/leniancy for treason. He passed tens of thousands of TS documents as well as info on sources and methods.

While you are at it, take Hansen and Ames out and shoot them as well.

 

[Mookow]

While I understand the rationale for not just shooting traitors who pass along TS material (it being that you dont shoot them and they are usually willing to tell you what precisely they passed along), I still think that he is getting away easily with only a life sentence.

Furthermore, with Israel's history of spying on the USA, I would support cutting off their aid entirely, but Congress likes their $$ too much for that.

 

[SuperTool]

How many CIA operatives are in Israel?
That's the problem with spying on an ally. If Israel was an adversary, they could just grab one of our spy's and exchange them. But since they are our ally, and get money from us, they can't do that. Which kind of sucks for Pollard, but that's too bad. Should have thought of that before he spied.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How many CIA operatives are in Israel?
That's the problem with spying on an ally. If Israel was an adversary, they could just grab one of our spy's and exchange them. But since they are our ally, and get money from us, they can't do that. Which kind of sucks for Pollard, but that's too bad. Should have thought of that before he spied.

I did not know there are CIA operatives stealing Israeli secrets and selling them to Israel's adversaries. I wish I was in the loop to get such information.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: SuperTool
How many CIA operatives are in Israel?
That's the problem with spying on an ally. If Israel was an adversary, they could just grab one of our spy's and exchange them. But since they are our ally, and get money from us, they can't do that. Which kind of sucks for Pollard, but that's too bad. Should have thought of that before he spied.

I did not know there are CIA operatives stealing Israeli secrets and selling them to Israel's adversaries. I wish I was in the loop to get such information.

If you were the MOSAD would definately target you for assasination.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: kage69
Israel biting the hand that feeds and protects it yet again!

Let that sack of shyte rot I say.

And is Israel accepting there $3bln+++ in cash or check this year?

 

[Fencer128]

The hipocrasy of it.

They are US allies, but spy on the US. Hmmm.... I'd bet a large amount of money that the US is doing the same. Now, if Israel were not "friendly" then you could argue:

"well their spies are just switched on individuals who wish to thwart tyranny and live the US way"

but they're a friendly democracy - so you have to say:

"they're just nosey".

Anyone care to give me an arguement as to why friendly countries should severly punish each other's spies? If they should, what business do they have sending spies out to each other in the first place? What's their motive? I'm pretty sure that the UK and the US spy on each other too.

I'd like to see that argued.

Andy

 

[Gaard]

Back when it was discovered that the US was spying on the other members of the UNSC in order to gather information on whether a vote for military action would pass the general consensus was "So what, everybody does it?" Given that the idea of spying is so accepted, I might suggest that this poor fellow's crime might not be spying as much as getting caught spying. Otherwise, it seems to me, that we might be being more than a little hypocritical if we are saying that spying is so bad...not when we are doing the exact same thing.

 

[Drift3r]

From what I have read in the past China is Israeli's biggest buyer of U.S. secrets.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
From what I have read in the past China is Israeli's biggest buyer of U.S. secrets.

China doesn't need Israel for that. They had Clinton.

 

[adlep]

Israle sold some of the Lavi fighter technologies to China, whch was base on our trusty F-16....
Shame on Israel and Pakistan
From my source:

And former US officials report that both Israel and the Dutch company Delft made unauthorized sales of US thermal-imaging tank sights to, among others, China. The sights were installed on China's 69 MOD-2 tanks, some of which were sold to Iraq. The United States acquired physical evidence of this transfer after these tanks were used against US marines in the 1991 Gulf War.

:Q

Edit: Another relevant link
J-10 info....
:Q

 

[povertystruck]

Israel is so bad, it steals from the country who give 2-3 billion dollars a year as a gift. The U.S. is so wasteful with its tax-payer money, that it gives it away to thieves and starts a war with Iraq for "at least" one reason to protect the parasite.

 

[ThePresence]

Every country spies on every country. Countries do not have friends, they have interests. That being said, I think Pollard is a traitor to his country, just like Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanson. He deserves whatever the court decides his penalty should be.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Gaard
Back when it was discovered that the US was spying on the other members of the UNSC in order to gather information on whether a vote for military action would pass the general consensus was "So what, everybody does it?" Given that the idea of spying is so accepted, I might suggest that this poor fellow's crime might not be spying as much as getting caught spying. Otherwise, it seems to me, that we might be being more than a little hypocritical if we are saying that spying is so bad...not when we are doing the exact same thing.

I agree with what some of you are arguing. Sure there are spies which are gathering harmless information, as in your example with finding out if we would get enough votes to pass a military action. But your comparing apples to oranges, gathering intelligence like that is harmless, while stealing sensitive information such as details about our technologies and selling it to our adversaries who we might engage in military action with is devastating. Such information leaked to enemies could put our soldiers lives in jeopardy when enemies learn to bypass our technological edge.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Gaard
Back when it was discovered that the US was spying on the other members of the UNSC in order to gather information on whether a vote for military action would pass the general consensus was "So what, everybody does it?" Given that the idea of spying is so accepted, I might suggest that this poor fellow's crime might not be spying as much as getting caught spying. Otherwise, it seems to me, that we might be being more than a little hypocritical if we are saying that spying is so bad...not when we are doing the exact same thing.

I agree with what some of you are arguing. Sure there are spies which are gathering harmless information, as in your example with finding out if we would get enough votes to pass a military action. But your comparing apples to oranges, gathering intelligence like that is harmless, while stealing sensitive information such as details about our technologies and selling it to our adversaries who we might engage in military action with is devastating. Such information leaked to enemies could put our soldiers lives in jeopardy when enemies learn to bypass our technological edge.

That's true, but I'm sure we're doing the same thing. If we're not, it's only because we don't need anyone elses technology, not because the CIA feel that it's wrong in principle.

 

[kage69]

And is Israel accepting there $3bln+++ in cash or check this year?

Umm right, sure. You're trying to make a point there somehow, I just know it. Did my condemnation of that traitorous ass somehow make you think I approve of our neigh-arbitrary financial support of Israel? How does that saying about assumptions go again?

 

[Rmilton]

So are they going to lock up Richard Perle for life too?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: kage69

And is Israel accepting there $3bln+++ in cash or check this year?

Umm right, sure. You're trying to make a point there somehow, I just know it. Did my condemnation of that traitorous ass somehow make you think I approve of our neigh-arbitrary financial support of Israel? How does that saying about assumptions go again?

I never insinuated that you agree with our pointless wasting of money on an ingrate nation that has given us NOTHING in return except drawing the ire of all the Muslim world towards us. I was just pointing out, albeit in sarcastic fashion, how sad it is that in lieu of Israel's behavior, she will still receive billions of tax payer dolllars, no mater what.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kage69

And is Israel accepting there $3bln+++ in cash or check this year?

Umm right, sure. You're trying to make a point there somehow, I just know it. Did my condemnation of that traitorous ass somehow make you think I approve of our neigh-arbitrary financial support of Israel? How does that saying about assumptions go again?

I never insinuated that you agree with our pointless wasting of money on an ingrate nation that has given us NOTHING in return except drawing the ire of all the Muslim world towards us. I was just pointing out, albeit in sarcastic fashion, how sad it is that in lieu of Israel's behavior, she will still receive billions of tax payer dolllars, no mater what.

Perhaps the powers that be know something that you don't? Pehaps the intelligence community knows something that you don't? Like, what Israel gives the US?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kage69

And is Israel accepting there $3bln+++ in cash or check this year?

Umm right, sure. You're trying to make a point there somehow, I just know it. Did my condemnation of that traitorous ass somehow make you think I approve of our neigh-arbitrary financial support of Israel? How does that saying about assumptions go again?

I never insinuated that you agree with our pointless wasting of money on an ingrate nation that has given us NOTHING in return except drawing the ire of all the Muslim world towards us. I was just pointing out, albeit in sarcastic fashion, how sad it is that in lieu of Israel's behavior, she will still receive billions of tax payer dolllars, no mater what.

Perhaps the powers that be know something that you don't? Pehaps the intelligence community knows something that you don't? Like, what Israel gives the US?

Well if you know, please do enlighten. Till then I will stand by my assertation that they are nothing but freeloaders taking a part of my hardearned money that could be better spent in my country. And trust me, there are many Americans who feel the same way.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: kage69

And is Israel accepting there $3bln+++ in cash or check this year?

Umm right, sure. You're trying to make a point there somehow, I just know it. Did my condemnation of that traitorous ass somehow make you think I approve of our neigh-arbitrary financial support of Israel? How does that saying about assumptions go again?

I never insinuated that you agree with our pointless wasting of money on an ingrate nation that has given us NOTHING in return except drawing the ire of all the Muslim world towards us. I was just pointing out, albeit in sarcastic fashion, how sad it is that in lieu of Israel's behavior, she will still receive billions of tax payer dolllars, no mater what.

Perhaps the powers that be know something that you don't? Pehaps the intelligence community knows something that you don't? Like, what Israel gives the US?

Well if you know, please do enlighten. Till then I will stand by my assertation that they are nothing but freeloaders taking a part of my hardearned money that could be better spent in my country. And trust me, there are many Americans who feel the same way.

I am not the powers that be, nor am I a member of the US intelligence community. I'm just saying, untill you see the big picture that they do, pipe down. There is alot we don't (and shouldn't) know.

 

[adlep]

I am not the powers that be, nor am I a member of the US intelligence community. I'm just saying, untill you see the big picture that they do, pipe down. There is alot we don't (and shouldn't) know.

So the US should pay billions of dollars per year, just to get some important information from Israel, which are so "secret" that the average US tax payer shouldn't know about these "facts"...just great....

And what big picture there is to see aside of the endless Arab-Israeli conflict in TV.....?
So far the only thing we are getting in return is a J fucken-10 from China.....
Edit: We are so powerful that in fact we don't need Israel you like it or not.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: adlep

I am not the powers that be, nor am I a member of the US intelligence community. I'm just saying, untill you see the big picture that they do, pipe down. There is alot we don't (and shouldn't) know.

So the US should pay billions of dollars per year, just to get some important information from Israel, which are so "secret" that the average US tax payer shouldn't know about these "facts"...just great....

And what big picture there is to see aside of the endless Arab-Israeli conflict in TV.....?
So far the only thing we are getting in return is a J fucken-10 from China.....
Edit: We are so powerful that in fact we don't need Israel you like it or not.

I don't think I said or insinuated that the US needs Israel. And, yes, high level intelligence matters are sometimes so "secret" that the average US taxpayer should not know it. DUH.