Israeli terrorist attack kills 8 Canadians

[envy me]

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This is just disgusting. These pigs think they can get away with anything they like with no regard for anyones lives except their own.

This was a clear terrorist attack, as defined by the word terrorist.

terrorism:
the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature;

8 civilians are dead... why? collateral damage?? Israel seems to be doing a lot of that lately.

Its pretty brave to launch missiles from planes and call them "precision strikes" This is absoloutely NO different than what suicide bombers do.

I am completely disgusted and have lost the little respect I had for Israel.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

 

[Ronstang]

If you stay in a war zone you may be killed especially if you hang out near potential targets. Doesn't take a huge IQ to figure that one out. Vacationing anywhere in that region of the world is such a huge risk that it makes absolutely no sense to do so. Stay in the First World if you expect safety.

You never had any respect for Israel to begin with so don't pretend like you ever did. You are one of the Muslim apologists around here and make attempts to justify just about anything they do in the world.

 

[RichardE]

As sad as it is, war is war

Hopefully Israel destroys the people who started this conflict

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

I bet the Muslim fanatic terrorists take those precautions, I'm sure they do since they are such stand up human beings.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Perhaps you should be angry about the Lebanese government sheltering Hezbollah terrorists all these years and allowing the initial kidnapping and murders that started this round of fighting.

Out of curiosity do you support Canada's involvment in Iraq and Afghanistan? Tens of thousands of civillians have died in those countries as collateral damage.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If you stay in a war zone you may be killed especially if you hang out near potential targets. Doesn't take a huge IQ to figure that one out. Vacationing anywhere in that region of the world is such a huge risk that it makes absolutely no sense to do so. Stay in the First World if you expect safety.

You never had any respect for Israel to begin with so don't pretend like you ever did. You are one of the Muslim apologists around here and make attempts to justify just about anything they do in the world.

And you are one of the Israeli sympathizers that tries to justify everything they do with a reason, as absurd as it may be.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If you stay in a war zone you may be killed especially if you hang out near potential targets. Doesn't take a huge IQ to figure that one out. Vacationing anywhere in that region of the world is such a huge risk that it makes absolutely no sense to do so. Stay in the First World if you expect safety.

You never had any respect for Israel to begin with so don't pretend like you ever did. You are one of the Muslim apologists around here and make attempts to justify just about anything they do in the world.

Israel closed down the airport so they couldn't leave.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

I bet the Muslim fanatic terrorists take those precautions, I'm sure they do since they are such stand up human beings.

There is a big difference between a countries army and a few armed fundamentalists. With Israels technological superiority in the region, you would think that they could find a means to do whatever it is they have to without causing civilian deaths. I mean it's not like its the first case of Israel blowing something up and counting the dead civilians afterwards. This seems to be happening quite a bit.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If you stay in a war zone you may be killed especially if you hang out near potential targets. Doesn't take a huge IQ to figure that one out. Vacationing anywhere in that region of the world is such a huge risk that it makes absolutely no sense to do so. Stay in the First World if you expect safety.

You never had any respect for Israel to begin with so don't pretend like you ever did. You are one of the Muslim apologists around here and make attempts to justify just about anything they do in the world.

And you are one of the Israeli sympathizers that tries to justify everything they do with a reason, as absurd as it may be.

Boy have you missed your mark. I have ALWAYS been heavily critical of Israel in general but compared to Muslim terrorists they are definitely the lesser of the two evils. Plus Hezbollah started this melee.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

What kind of precautions are you talking about?

Personally, I expect things like this to happen in war - on both sides. I'm not too shocked over it.

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Ronstang
If you stay in a war zone you may be killed especially if you hang out near potential targets. Doesn't take a huge IQ to figure that one out. Vacationing anywhere in that region of the world is such a huge risk that it makes absolutely no sense to do so. Stay in the First World if you expect safety.

You never had any respect for Israel to begin with so don't pretend like you ever did. You are one of the Muslim apologists around here and make attempts to justify just about anything they do in the world.

Israel closed down the airport so they couldn't leave.

Shouldn't have been there in the first place and considering the situation in that reagion over the last month they should have left before it became MANDATORY. I know I would have been gone.....but then again you wouldn't catch me in that sh!thole part of the world in the first place. Like I said....if you want the safety of the First World you need to stay in the First World.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: envy me
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This is just disgusting. These pigs think they can get away with anything they like with no regard for anyones lives except their own.

Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry that any non-combatants, including these Lebanese-Canadians were harmed, but the fact is, Lebanon is now a war zone because Hezbollah crossed the border into Israel to kidnap and kill Israelis and has continued to fire rockets from Lebanon into Israel.

In case you don't remember such minute details of information, as part of Israel's agreement to withdraw from Lebanon, the Lebanese government agreed to police the border area and disarm Hezbollah's militia. That never happened, largely because Hezbollah comprises a large part of the Lebanese government.

Who's responsible for that? Are you now crying because Israel struck BACK? :roll:

Some people try to distinguish between Hezbollah's "political" wing and their militia. They both call themselves, "Hezbollah." I call any such attempted distinction bullsh8! Either they're Hezbollah, or they're not. If they call themselves by the terrorists name, they are the terrorists. :|

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

What kind of precautions are you talking about?

Personally, I expect things like this to happen in war - on both sides. I'm not too shocked over it.

You cant just bomb entire buildings filled with people because 1 or 2 lunatics are there.

Would you condone the army blowing up a mall you and your family were at just because a wanted criminal was there at the same time? Its ludacris. I understand that they are angry with Hezbollah for the kidnappings and killings but you have a state army and you have to justify your actions. You can't just blow stuff up at will.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps you should be angry about the Lebanese government sheltering Hezbollah terrorists all these years and allowing the initial kidnapping and murders that started this round of fighting.

Out of curiosity do you support Canada's involvment in Iraq and Afghanistan? Tens of thousands of civillians have died in those countries as collateral damage.

Canada is not militarily involved in Iraq.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Perhaps you should be angry about the Lebanese government sheltering Hezbollah terrorists all these years and allowing the initial kidnapping and murders that started this round of fighting.

Out of curiosity do you support Canada's involvment in Iraq and Afghanistan? Tens of thousands of civillians have died in those countries as collateral damage.

Canada is not militarily involved in Iraq.

WRONG.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s...aid_hostages_060323/20060323?hub=World

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: envy me
You cant just bomb entire buildings filled with people because 1 or 2 lunatics are there.

Was that the situation for this attack? Where are you getting these details from? The article is very vague.

Would you condone the army blowing up a mall you and your family were at just because a wanted criminal was there at the same time? Its ludacris. I understand that they are angry with Hezbollah for the kidnappings and killings but you have a state army and you have to justify your actions. You can't just blow stuff up at will.

I think that your analogy is a little different. However, if I was in a mall that I knew was used for use against an enemy and open war was basically declared, then I would hope that I wasn't there. However, some civilian death is really inevitable in a war.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: envy me
You cant just bomb entire buildings filled with people because 1 or 2 lunatics are there.

Would you condone the army blowing up a mall you and your family were at just because a wanted criminal was there at the same time? Its ludacris. I understand that they are angry with Hezbollah for the kidnappings and killings but you have a state army and you have to justify your actions. You can't just blow stuff up at will.

Umm... Yes, they can. When Al Qaeda attacked us on 9-11, we quite rightly went after them in Afghanistan and took down their whole Taliban government protectors with them, and the entire rest of the world supported us when we did it.

I know Bush followed up with his illegal and unnecessary unilateral attack on Iraq, but that doesn't make what we did in Afghanistan wrong. In fact, Bush screwed that pooch, too, by withdrawing the forces needed to complete the job and stabilize the country and sending them to Iraq. We've got enough evil an stupidity in our own government, and Israel has their own share of wrong and blood on their hands.

However, in this case, Israel has concentrated on taking out infrastructure to give Lebanon reason to stop the attacks. Israel says they want their abducted citizens back and the attacks to stop. Hezbollah struck first and their attacks have caused Israeli deaths and injuries. Lebanon is responsible for Hezbollah, and Israel has every right to take whatever steps are necessary to stop them, even at the cost of some collateral civilian casualties.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

Apperantly you need to read more. Israel gave notice:

Shortly after Haifa was hit, the head of Israel's northern command, Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, warned civilians in southern Lebanon to head north because "in two or three hours we are going to attack south Lebanon heavily."

excerpted from http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/16/mideast/index.html

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

I bet the Muslim fanatic terrorists take those precautions, I'm sure they do since they are such stand up human beings.

There is a big difference between a countries army and a few armed fundamentalists. With Israels technological superiority in the region, you would think that they could find a means to do whatever it is they have to without causing civilian deaths. I mean it's not like its the first case of Israel blowing something up and counting the dead civilians afterwards. This seems to be happening quite a bit.

Jeez, with the US army being the most superior in the world, there should be no civilian deaths in Iraq at all!!!!!

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: envy me
You cant just bomb entire buildings filled with people because 1 or 2 lunatics are there.

Was that the situation for this attack? Where are you getting these details from? The article is very vague.

I am unsure about the situation for this attack. It was an air strike targeting a place where civilians and terrorists were together. So I am assuming it is some sort of building, or street, or other "location". Proper precautions were not taken to isolate the terrorists from the civilians.

Would you condone the army blowing up a mall you and your family were at just because a wanted criminal was there at the same time? Its ludacris. I understand that they are angry with Hezbollah for the kidnappings and killings but you have a state army and you have to justify your actions. You can't just blow stuff up at will.

I think that your analogy is a little different. However, if I was in a mall that I knew was used for use against an enemy and open war was basically declared, then I would hope that I wasn't there. However, some civilian death is really inevitable in a war.

I don't see how any civilian would willfully hangout in a place occupied by military groups in a time of war (asside from journalists and reporters)

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

Apperantly you need to read more. Israel gave notice:

Shortly after Haifa was hit, the head of Israel's northern command, Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, warned civilians in southern Lebanon to head north because "in two or three hours we are going to attack south Lebanon heavily."

excerpted from http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/16/mideast/index.html

Let's get real...a '2 to 3 hour' notice is barely anything.

 

[envy me]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: envy me

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
You think that they specifically targetted these civilians? Why?

No.. I think they failed to take ANY precautions to make sure innocents would not be harmed.

Apperantly you need to read more. Israel gave notice:

Shortly after Haifa was hit, the head of Israel's northern command, Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, warned civilians in southern Lebanon to head north because "in two or three hours we are going to attack south Lebanon heavily."

excerpted from http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/16/mideast/index.html

I wonder how exactly he notified the civilians. Did he stroll in an put flyers up? That doesn't justify killing civilians that might not have been notified.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I am unsure about the situation for this attack. It was an air strike targeting a place where civilians and terrorists were together. So I am assuming it is some sort of building, or street, or other "location". Proper precautions were not taken to isolate the terrorists from the civilians.

I'm not sure what exactly they could have done in a time of war. What is your suggestion? I personally expect civilian deaths in a war.

I don't see how any civilian would willfully hangout in a place occupied by military groups in a time of war (asside from journalists and reporters)

Who knows...we don't even know if these people were killed from a stray missile or anything else.