It doesn?t matter what kind of shelling was used. What matters is that it was Israeli shelling that caused the deaths and according to Human Rights Watch: ?investigations indicate that the evidence overwhelmingly supports the allegations that the civilians were killed by artillery shells fired by the IDF.?Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
The Naval shelling is not 155mm and the shelling was done at the time.
And ?innocent? Israeli soldiers were captured and killed? I consider killing occupied and oppressed civilians a bigger crime than killing and capturing occupying soldiers.Additional incidents that you described may have happened. However, who was being targeted and why. Innocent civilians were killed when going after your innocent militants.
Originally posted by: envy me
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This is just disgusting. These pigs think they can get away with anything they like with no regard for anyones lives except their own.
This was a clear terrorist attack, as defined by the word terrorist.
terrorism:
the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature;
8 civilians are dead... why? collateral damage?? Israel seems to be doing a lot of that lately.
Its pretty brave to launch missiles from planes and call them "precision strikes" This is absoloutely NO different than what suicide bombers do.
I am completely disgusted and have lost the little respect I had for Israel.
Originally posted by: envy me
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This is just disgusting. These pigs think they can get away with anything they like with no regard for anyones lives except their own.
This was a clear terrorist attack, as defined by the word terrorist.
terrorism:
the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature;
8 civilians are dead... why? collateral damage?? Israel seems to be doing a lot of that lately.
Its pretty brave to launch missiles from planes and call them "precision strikes" This is absoloutely NO different than what suicide bombers do.
I am completely disgusted and have lost the little respect I had for Israel.
Originally posted by: Aisengard
So, BBond, you admit that you have no clue why Hezbollah attacked Israel, and yet you say they are in the right, because they retaliated against Israel? Retaliated against what? You only have speculation, dim-witted speculation at that.
Hezbollah started the Lebanon incident. Hezbollah attacked Israel. When you attack another country, it is an act of war by the attacker. Israel would have never attacked Lebanon if Hezbollah just left them alone. The blood is on Hezbollah's hands.
And about collateral damage, it all depends on what you were targeting. You say Israel was targeting civilians, but believe me, if they were, there would be much more than 8 or 9 deaths with their capabilities. Israel was targetting rocket sites with naval shelling.
Hamas and Hezbollah have both publically stated they are targetting anything and everything, no matter if its military or civilian. That's the difference.
And has been shown before, Israel backing off will just encourgage the rifraf and their sponsors to repeat again the cycle again. The rifraf and sponsors have no concern for the civilian lives that are lost; all they care is the ability to test Israeli resolve and attempt to generate sympathy for their causeOriginally posted by: replicator
Originally posted by: Aisengard
So, BBond, you admit that you have no clue why Hezbollah attacked Israel, and yet you say they are in the right, because they retaliated against Israel? Retaliated against what? You only have speculation, dim-witted speculation at that.
Hezbollah started the Lebanon incident. Hezbollah attacked Israel. When you attack another country, it is an act of war by the attacker. Israel would have never attacked Lebanon if Hezbollah just left them alone. The blood is on Hezbollah's hands.
And about collateral damage, it all depends on what you were targeting. You say Israel was targeting civilians, but believe me, if they were, there would be much more than 8 or 9 deaths with their capabilities. Israel was targetting rocket sites with naval shelling.
Hamas and Hezbollah have both publically stated they are targetting anything and everything, no matter if its military or civilian. That's the difference.
Even if Hezbollah started this - what can Israel now achieve by destroying civilian infrastructure and killing more innocents? It is simply impossible to destroy Hezbollah or any other anti-Israel organization by what they are doing right now. If anything, they are sowing more seeds of hate in the rest of the world and you can rest assured that many of the victims families are going to become extremists. Israel has already proved they have the military might, US backing, and ability to retaliate. They've said it loud and clear that the lives of a few Israeli soldiers are worth more than hundreds of innocent victims and billions of dollars of Lebanese infrastructure.
Anything beyond this point in this war is going to hurt Israel.
Originally posted by: Aisengard
It's lose lose for Israel and the world so long as the international community continues to tie Israel's hands.
Originally posted by: Aisengard
Israel is acting in it's own interests, duh, like every country in the world.
But don't fool yourself into thinking the world would be better off with Israel destroyed.
Originally posted by: Aisengard
Actually, there is. If the world actually HELPED to destroy such terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah (and Hamas, before they were elected), the world would be a better place.
Tying Israel's hands only allows these organizations to exist longer, and with more support. When the world finally unites against these terrorist organizations, and doesn't tolerate their unprovoked attacks on neighboring nations, then we can finally have peace.
So far, that hasn't happened, and so this is what we get.