Israeli tourists in Sinai area attacked

[EagleKeeper]

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Squads of gunmen armed with heavy weapons and explosives crossed into southern Israel from Egypt's Sinai Peninsula on Thursday and attacked buses, cars and an army patrol, officials said. It was one of the boldest attacks on the Jewish state in years, killing seven Israelis and stoking concerns about Palestinian militants exploiting instability in Egypt.
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The attacks began around midday, when assailants targeted a packed passenger bus driving along a highway about 10 miles north of the Red Sea resort of Eilat, close to the border crossing into Sinai. Within the space of about an hour, along that same road, the attackers opened fire on one more bus and two civilian vehicles, and an army vehicle rushing to the area drove over an explosive device, the military said in a statement.
Around the same time, an undisclosed number of mortar shells were fired from the Gaza Strip at Israeli soldiers conducting routine maintenance work on the security fence along the Israel-Egypt border, the statement said.
Israel Radio said a vehicle had followed the bus, and two to three gunmen got out and opened fire with automatic weapons.


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This is going to play well when the Palestinians go in front of the UN to ask for blessings next month

Even if it is not the Palestinians themselves; the impression that it is generating by the Arabs, will be used to show that the Arabs/Palestinians are their own worst enemy when it comes to statehood.

The timing of the mortar shelling from Gaza becomes suspect in any denial that the attackers were related to Gaza.

 

[bfdd]

Hypocrites are always their own worst enemy.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Just wipe them out already.

 

[Nebor]

WTF Task Force Sinai. What do you people do all day?!

 

[Freshgeardude]

those tourists were asking for it. how dare they drive through land that was Palestinian before the 1948 mass killing of innocent palestinians

 

[Lemon law]

The question is somewhat two fold.

A. Since the gunman who attacked Eilat were on Egyptian soil, where is the proof that they were in any way affiliated with Hamas and Gaza? After all there many anti-Israel terrorist in Egypt that are blowing up Pipelines and such. They wouldnot be above fleeing into Gaza to lay a red herring trail.

B. Hamas in Gaza is denying any complicity in the attack, ands what we basically have here is the assumption that a few rouge gunmen speak for 1.5 million, or that matter 3 Million Palestinians.

After all in the USA we have occasional groups of US citizens who murder gays and minorities, and rape young children, do they speak for the entire USA? And to add injury to insult, we have Mexican drug gangs operating on our soil too. Then why do we assume that a few rouge gunmen speak for the entire Palestinian people? When Israel is disliked by so many other countries in the region it could be foreign nationals too. Or simply Stateless terrorists with Al-Quida affiliations already know to be operating in the Sinai.

 

[Jaepheth]

Can we just throw an iron curtain over the middle east and check back in 20 years to see who's left to work with in peace?

 

[bfdd]

You're right, no proof yet they're associated with any of those groups. They're still idiots.

 

[SamurAchzar]

All bets are on for a second Israeli rape of Gaza. The sooner the better.

 

[Abwx]

Hey , simply sammy s back from his rat hole...

 

[SamurAchzar]

Aren't you Palestinian? Talking about rat holes

 

[Abwx]

Lol , the zionazi is a paranoid , who would have guessed..?..

Angst ist der verbrecher selbst...

 

[Sinsear]

Color me surprised....

 

[Whiskey16]

Just wipe them out already.

Who? Militant Zionists and Palestinian militants?

Or just ALL of the brown Muslims under an advocation of genocide as is the common racist and criminal mantra that is all too expected and tolerated in this forum?

Sadly today's criminal actions plays into the long term strategy of Israel playing up a disproportionate security card in order to further the bigoted agenda of condemning all Palestinians, ethnic cleansing of land outside of Israeli borders, illegally colonizing that land, and play up their own criminal and understandably antagonizing actions as long as it helps Israelis to fabricate new "facts upon the ground" of Palestine.

Yes, Israelis are targets of extremists, but the greater radicalisation and propensity to create such violence is directly related to the extent and violent injustice of continued Zionist expansion and subjugation upon other peoples' land.

A solution is only upon Israeli hands. The state of Israel does not desire peace. Such a solution is undesirable by Israeli strategic policy as it would deter that states actions of criminal expansion.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Sadly today's criminal actions plays into the long term strategy of Israel playing up a disproportionate security card in order to further the bigoted agenda of condemning all Palestinians,

When does a security card become "disproportionate" when discussing a combined attack where civilian buses are sprayed with bullets, mortars are fired and passenger cars attacked with anti-tank missiles for hours? Does that seem like a minor incident, a work of a madman wielding a pistol or like an organized, military assault with one purpose in mind - kill as many Jews as possible?

This should be dealt with in full force, and Nethanyahu has the mandate for it.

 

[Whiskey16]

When does a security card become "disproportionate"

You quoted me. In that quote I was clear and specific.

I am truly sorry to witness your inability to distinguish between specific militants and that of entire population of geographical and ethnically defined people.

Shall I also toss you into this forum's vocal crowd of bigoted ethnic cleansing and genocide advocates? Your call. I await your clarification.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The question is somewhat two fold.

A. Since the gunman who attacked Eilat were on Egyptian soil, where is the proof that they were in any way affiliated with Hamas and Gaza? After all there many anti-Israel terrorist in Egypt that are blowing up Pipelines and such. They wouldnot be above fleeing into Gaza to lay a red herring trail.

B. Hamas in Gaza is denying any complicity in the attack, ands what we basically have here is the assumption that a few rouge gunmen speak for 1.5 million, or that matter 3 Million Palestinians.

After all in the USA we have occasional groups of US citizens who murder gays and minorities, and rape young children, do they speak for the entire USA? And to add injury to insult, we have Mexican drug gangs operating on our soil too. Then why do we assume that a few rouge gunmen speak for the entire Palestinian people? When Israel is disliked by so many other countries in the region it could be foreign nationals too. Or simply Stateless terrorists with Al-Quida affiliations already know to be operating in the Sinai.

Apparently Israel has identified some of the attackers and determined that they came from Gaza. They are not Hamas but another group that Hamas allows to operate in Gaza. That group is now leaderless :thumbsup: for the short term

And is it a coincidence that shelling occurs from Gaza (which Hamas does control as a police state) at the time of the attacks.:\

Egypt steps down their level of security and the attackers use it to get into Egypt and from there down to attack. Makes fools of Egypt; can make it harder for the Palestinians to get support from Egypt.

 

[xj0hnx]

Lol , the zionazi is a paranoid , who would have guessed..?..

Angst ist der verbrecher selbst...

Die Angst vor der Angst treibt dich der Angst in die Arme.

 

[Lemon law]

Apparently Israel has identified some of the attackers and determined that they came from Gaza. They are not Hamas but another group that Hamas allows to operate in Gaza. That group is now leaderless :thumbsup: for the short term

And is it a coincidence that shelling occurs from Gaza (which Hamas does control as a police state) at the time of the attacks.:\

Egypt steps down their level of security and the attackers use it to get into Egypt and from there down to attack. Makes fools of Egypt; can make it harder for the Palestinians to get support from Egypt.

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Ok, lets examine the the EK contention???????????

1.First EK states, "Apparently Israel has identified some of the attackers and determined that they came from Gaza. They are not Hamas but another group that Hamas allows to operate in Gaza." I might buy the contention they are not Hamas, but where is the proof that Hamas allows them to operate in Gaza.

2.Then EK states, "And is it a coincidence that shelling occurs from Gaza (which Hamas does control as a police state) at the time of the attacks." Another big assumption here, if a rouge group can sneak a few operatives into and out of Gaza, they can leave behind a few operatives to attack from Gaza. 404 link to Hamas still not established or found. And speak of police States, you can't beat Israel, but they sure don't bother to even try to control their crazed settlers who raid Palestinian areas, burn or steal olive trees, murder innocent Palestinians, while Israel looks the other way.

3. Then EK says, " Egypt steps down their level of security and the attackers use it to get into Egypt and from there down to attack. Makes fools of Egypt; can make it harder for the Palestinians to get support from Egypt." Again rather dubious, where is the proof that Egypt steeped down their level of security? Gee the world must hate Israel! But given the way Israel treats all their neighbors, its seems to never occur to Israel that their behavior is a large part of the reason.

 

[Nebor]

This should be dealt with in full force, and Nethanyahu has the mandate for it.

Agreed. Since weapons still seem to be filtering into Gaza despite the naval blockades and searches, it seems prudent to fully lock down the Palestinian occupied territories and conduct door to door search operations. It would also be wise to cut off ALL shipments (manufacturing supplies, food, medicine, fuel, etc.) into the effected areas until the source of the weapons is found.

 

[Whiskey16]

...it seems prudent to fully lock down the Palestinian occupied territories ...
... It would also be wise to cut off ALL shipments (manufacturing supplies, food, medicine, fuel, etc.) into the effected areas until the source of the weapons is found.

Thank you, Nebor, for again being predictale by presenting clear advocation of "disproportionate" action by Israel.

You are among forum reguars who are on the clear record for advocating genocide upon Palestinians, and yet again are consistent with your support of criminal actions via that of illegal blockades and the high crime of collective punishment upon all Palestinians.

Stalingrad upon an even greater scale.......

When does a security card become "disproportionate"

Beyond what you failed to comprehend from the lines you quoted of me, here is an example by Nebor that is explicit upon but one level of "disproportionate" response.

 

[SamurAchzar]

You do have to ask yourself, Mr. Whiskey, where does the collective responsibility of people start and end. Assuming this act of murder was perpetrated by Hamas, which is the ELECTED authority in Gaza, there is no one responsible for this but the Palestinians. And if, as a result, Israel does not want to allow them any merchandise in, I have absolutely no issue with that.

Likewise, two rockets have been fired into Israel over the last 12 hours; someone has to accept responsibility, for both the action and the inevitable Israeli retaliation. Who is this going to be?

 

[Nebor]

Thank you, Nebor, for again being predictale by presenting clear advocation of "disproportionate" action by Israel.

You are among forum reguars who are on the clear record for advocating genocide upon Palestinians, and yet again are consistent with your support of criminal actions via that of illegal blockades and the high crime of collective punishment upon all Palestinians.

Palestinians are a thorn in the side of the civilized world. I couldn't care less what happens to them. Actually, scratch that, I hope very bad things happen to them. Oh wait, that's already happening!

 

[ProfJohn]

3. Then EK says, " Egypt steps down their level of security and the attackers use it to get into Egypt and from there down to attack. Makes fools of Egypt; can make it harder for the Palestinians to get support from Egypt." Again rather dubious, where is the proof that Egypt steeped down their level of security? Gee the world must hate Israel! But given the way Israel treats all their neighbors, its seems to never occur to Israel that their behavior is a large part of the reason.

Egypt opened the boarder crossing after the incident on that boat convoy.

And this is their reward.


The whole reason Egypt kept a tight lid on Gaza was to prevent being drawn into the battle by the Hamas crazies. And now look at what happened.

Egypt will have to crack down or else they risk having Israel come over the board and do the dirty work themselves.

The Palestinians are their own worse enemy. They will never get anywhere if they keep pulling shit like this...

 

[Lemon law]

Excuse me Sammy, as you say, " Likewise, two rockets have been fired into Israel over the last 12 hours; someone has to accept responsibility, for both the action and the inevitable Israeli retaliation. Who is this going to be? "

From Gaza you say, where do you get off on that crazed assumption that itsy bitsie rocket from Gaza can hit Israel??????????? You must be operating on the assumption that Israel consists of occupied and disputed territory. When in fact Israel does not own that land in any way and never will. So how can Israel be attacked on land it does not own? Maybe if Israel returns back to its legitimate 1948 borders the problem would go away. Because it really land belonging to a Palestinian State that Israel is now is trespassing on.

Face the facts Sammy, Israel has no right to occupy Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, or the Golan heights. Israel has no legitimate right to be in any of those areas, and there is not a single country on Earth that will recognize Israeli legitimacy to stay there. Not one single country on earth as Israel operates on borrowed time and chutzpah.