No, Transjordan was the name of what is now simply called Jordan, which back then many Zionists were intent on taking for themselves along with all of Palestine.
No, Transjordan was the name of what is now simply called Jordan, which back then many Zionists were intent on taking for themselves along with all of Palestine.Transjordan was the name of the current west banks..
:thumbsdown: Israel has a sovereign state. A sovereign Palestinian state of the occupied territories is at the expense of denying Israeli expansion.
Please do not lie.
The high density of Gaza was determined to be undesirable for Zionist expansion. "Disengaging from Palestine?" :thumbsdown: The continued military occupation and Israeli citizen colonisation of the more desirable West Bank remains an international high crime and an understandable antagonist to Palestinians.
:thumbsdown: An independent and sovereign Palestine is the right if Palestinians -- regardless of your outlandish fear and outright bigotry upon all Palestinians.
This disproportionate fear card of Israeli propaganda again shows is ugly head.
Israeli strategic policy is to continue the mold of Nazi Germany by spreading hyperbolic fear and absolute condemnation upon an entire group of people in order to ease their occupation, subjugation, and eventual removal for the continued colonisation by more worthy citizens of Israel.
Palestine is Israel's Polish territories.
Doublespeak. :thumbsdown: George Orwell is smiling. No, it is Israel that continues to enact policy to usurp Palestinians by Israelis in Palestine.
Dude, your outlandish propogation of Israeli insecurity and ease of condemnation of all Palestinians as being lesser than Israelis, firmly answers my question of placing you into company with this forums callers for ethnic cleansing and genocide.
You seem to me like the Stormfront type who's pissed off by the Jews putting up a fight instead of being quietly overrun.
Israel violated the peace treaty with Egypt, and it's not the first time. Israel killed and injured many Egyptians on several occasions in the past years.
http://nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=303052
MFO says Israel entered Egypt, committed violations
A monitoring force stationed in the Sinai in keeping with the 1979 peace treaty between Egypt and Israel said Israel violated it when its troops entered Egyptian territory and fired on security personnel, state news agency MENA reported on Saturday.
"The [Multinational Force and Observer] recorded two violations committed by Israel," the agency said, citing an MFO report.
"The international forces said in their report on the deaths of Egyptian security personnel that the violations were entering Egyptian territory and firing in the Egyptian side of the border," the agency reported.
MENA said the MFO report did not say whether there were grounds for Israel's accusations that militants it was pursuing on Thursday when the Egyptian policemen died along the border had infiltrated its Negev desert from Egypt.
Eight Israelis were killed in separate attacks on Thursday near the border when gunmen opened fire on buses and cars.
Egypt, which because the first Arab country to sign a peace deal with Israel in 1979, has summoned the Jewish state's envoy and demanded an apology and an investigation.
State television reported that Egypt would also recall its ambassador in Tel Aviv.
Thank you, Earl.Really?
I got to say as an unbiased person that you [SamurAchzar] come off a lot more as the stormfront type.
That's much of the OP giving context for the following:This is going to play well when the Palestinians go in front of the UN to ask for blessings next month
Even if it is not the Palestinians themselves; the impression that it is generating by the Arabs, will be used to show that the Arabs/Palestinians are their own worst enemy when it comes to statehood.
Just wipe them out already.
All bets are on for a second Israeli rape of Gaza. The sooner the better.
It would also be wise to cut off ALL shipments (manufacturing supplies, food, medicine, fuel, etc.) into the effected areas until the source of the weapons is found.
It [Israel] fought back hard and now your people are the ones in the cage. Tough luck, buddy.
May this serve a lesson to whoever tries to gang up on the Jews - you might end up locked away with the Jews controlling your diet.
I hope everybody sees the irony in an Arab talking about shitty and murderous states, fascism, ravaging and destroying human lives
Really, if an alien descended to earth and started learning its history through Wikipedia, seeing the Middle Eastern conflicts among Arabs and themselves as well as few Koran verses, he'd think you Muslims are all a violent, oppressive, illiterate, incest practicing, religious fucktards on a suicidal rampage who murder their sisters and marry their cousins.
I believe Israelis are the rude ones, instead of thanking Egypt for having to deal with the side effects of the ongoing Israeli Palestinian conflict and for preventing lots of infiltrators from crossing into Israel, this is how they repay Egypt. In many previous occasions Egyptians were sniped or shot by Israeli soldiers for absolutely no reason.Amazing how rude the Egyptians are, after they fail to secure their borders, allowing terrorists in Israel. Not only this, but the terrorists actually went under an Egyptian checkpoint. Then they come crying and whining. Not only this, but one Israeli soldier was actually killed by fire from the Egyptian side. Of course the Egyptian leadership has to appease the Arab mob, so they accuse Israel of letting the terrorists go in.
Arabs - and liberals - always see Israel at fault. Not surprising.
Now; Israel has an interest to keep things calm and diplomatic with Egypt, but if the latter doesn't get a handle on what's going in in Sinai - and Israel even let them move army inside the peninsula in contradiction with the peace agreement just for this cause - I definitely see Israel going in to sort out things itself.
Things are getting very serious on that side after the collapse of Mubarak.
For what its worth Israel has expressed regret/apology for entering Egyptian soil, firing first, and asking questions later, as Israel came to find out they killed three innocent Egyptian soldiers instead.
The point is and remain, Israel militarily acting inside of Egypt is an act of war.
There are two kinds of such apologies.
A. The real kind where Israel realizes it was wrong and takes steps to see they never repeat the mistake.
B. The phony kind where Israel regrets the bad outcome but will continue to operate militarily on foreign soil.
There is no justification for Israel or any other nation to operate militarily on the foreign soil of another sovereign nation.
yes there is. Especially when terrorists use said border to kill innocent Israelis. Israel should be allowed to chase them back into the Sinai which has become a lawless territory of Egypt. Egypt doesnt have the power or resources to find these guys once they disappear in the sinai.
And one of these days there will be very severe consequences if Israel continues its arrogance. There is no solid evidence that there was any Egyptian complicity in the Eilat attack. But in areas very thinly populated, terrorists can operate with almost impunity. Why are we not asking two things.
1. If Israel wants to stop terrorists, they have to fortify their borders, not ask other nations to do the same for them.
of course, the blame game. well not so much a game with you because Israel is always at fault.
The terrorists came in through the egyptian border. Egypt is at fault.
2. Terrorists are acting against Egypt and other mid-east nations as well, also targeting Europe, Africa, Asian countries, and also operate in North Central and South America.
But of all nations, Israel seems to be the focus of so much terrorist hate. So we have to ask, why is Israeli behavior making Israel the #1 target of international terrorism? And no the answer is not that terrorist hate Israeli freedoms, think more in terms of lands stolen and people enslaved by Israel. And when a real military power like the USA can't stop terrorism and in fact increases terrorism by its counter productive efforts, even the dimmest of minds may grasp the fact terrorism is a symptom of injustice and not the cause.
see response below
I believe Israelis are the rude ones, instead of thanking Egypt for having to deal with the side effects of the ongoing Israeli Palestinian conflict and for preventing lots of infiltrators from crossing into Israel, this is how they repay Egypt. In many previous occasions Egyptians were sniped or shot by Israeli soldiers for absolutely no reason.
Egypt has been keen on maintaining the peace with Israel in spite of the violations and provocations from Israel. And now you threaten to reoccupy Sinai. It seems you're so keen on ruining the peace with Egypt, maybe you won't like the results.
Israel is hated by arabs and muslims everywhere because the Koran instructs muslims to hate jews.
It is also hated because where it is located. It is surrounded by arabs.
"Thanking"? Israel should be thanking Egypt for maintaining its border and controlling whats going on in its territory?
You obviously don't understand the Middle Eastern balance of power. It's the military elite in Egypt that wants to maintain the peace with Israel and they very well know why. If Egypt can't control Sinai, Israel will. Egypt won't do shit about it because they are afraid of the Israeli response. They would yell, scream and shout but militarily, they can do zero (and the Americans won't let them even if they are stupid enough to try). If Egypt only controlled its territory better there wouldn't be any issue, but it does not seem to be a priority right now.
Leningrad II upon Gaza? Further sad irony with Jewish history being composed of the imposition of Ghettos since old Italian city states, that it is now the militant Zionists who now condemn Ghettoisation upon Palestinians. The extremists in this forum cheer such crimes along. :thumbsdown:
Condemnation and dehumanisation of a population are the long practiced enablers for militaristic expansion, ethnic cleansing, and genocide.
It is unfortunate that this forum's society tolerates some of the most vile racism and calls for the most grievous of crimes. Ander Behring Breivik would feel proud and at home.
SamurAchzar, a spade-is-a-spade. Words are damning.
It's the same threats from you. I'm Egyptian. Try to occupy Sinai, face the consequences, and if you like to fantasize about how Egypt won't be able to retaliate, dream on.
What makes you think Egypt would fare any better than in '48, '56, '67 (ouch) or '73? May I remind you, Egypt no longer has the USSR backing it up. No more Russian pilots or state of the art equipment. Egypt has second tier US weapons, no access to all the self developed technologies of the Israelis, a corrupt military with a very lacking training. What makes you think Egypt can do anything about Israel, if the latter chooses to put some order into the situation in Sinai?
(and the Americans won't let them even if they are stupid enough to try).
I don't recall Jews slaughtering entire families.
What good will have the Arab states shown Israel?
LL : Israel could/would not show a good neighbour stand (unlike your story) because their leaders believe they have the right to expand their borders as much as possible.
And such is the problem. There is a tit for tat.
What makes you think Egypt would fare any better than in '48, '56, '67 (ouch) or '73? May I remind you, Egypt no longer has the USSR backing it up. No more Russian pilots or state of the art equipment. Egypt has second tier US weapons, no access to all the self developed technologies of the Israelis, a corrupt military with a very lacking training. What makes you think Egypt can do anything about Israel, if the latter chooses to put some order into the situation in Sinai?
Your defeat by a militia in 2006 should be a sobering thought for you.
Also, before you attempt anything make sure you have the US guarantee to give you an airlift the size of "Nickel Grass" that saved you from defeat in 1973.
Israel, as well as the US and most of the world,[1] were largely caught by surprise on October 6, 1973, when Egypt and Syria attacked the Sinai and the Golan Heights respectively, both territories Israel had captured during the Six Day War in 1967. Arab armies moved forward rapidly in the first few days; the Israel Defense Forces did not manage to stabilize the situation, as was generally expected, and it became clear that Israel was under considerable stress and would need supplies. Anticipating Israeli requests, Henry Kissinger, the United States Secretary of State and President Richard Nixon's National Security Adviser, made arrangements for El Al to pick up some items, including ammunition, "high technology products" and AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles at a US naval base in Virginia on October 7, and was later presented with a list of priority arms; a modest effort soon began, but Kissinger still hoped to keep any visible involvement at a minimum.[2] On October 8, Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized the assembly of thirteen 20-kiloton nuclear warheads on Jericho missiles and F-4s, which were prepared for action against Syrian and Egyptian targets;[3] their preparation was made easily detectable, likely as a signal to the United States.[4] Kissinger learned of this threatening nuclear escalation on the morning of 9 October. On that same day, Meir issued a personal appeal for military assistance, which European nations declined. U.S. President Richard Nixon, however, ordered the commencement of Operation Nickel Grass, to replace all of Israel's materiel losses.[5] The decision was taken the same day the Soviets began their own resupply operation of Arab forces by sea.[6] Anecdotal evidence suggests that Kissinger had told Anwar El Sadat that the reason for the U.S. airlift was that the Israelis were close to "going nuclear."[3]
When Nassarallah goes on TV and said publicly that if he knew the outcome, he would not have initiated any violence again Israel, I'd hardly say Israel was "defeated".