Israeli tourists in Sinai area attacked

[EagleKeeper]

By international law, collective punishment is a international war crimes, which makes Israel guilty by definition in the rapes of Lebanon and Gaza at a minimum. As far as Israel killing young children, sometimes it may be argued they are the children of terrorists and at other times it is provable not the case.

And no, what some idiot Rabbi said a long time does not supersede international law.

The definition of collective punishment could also apply to punishing civilians by launching rockets at them when there is no military value. The intention is to terrorize the population. Collective punishment there.

What the Rabbi stated was the children are growing up in an environment that turns them into enemies. One could take his statements about Jews and Palestinians and easily swap the words and get the same effect.

Hatred for the other side is being taught and also the destruction of the other side at any age is considered to be acceptable as a preemptive action.

Neither side has their hands clean. There are Muslim and Islamic leaders that state the same

 

[kylebisme]

Note to avoid claims of bias, none of the links provided are associated with the Israeli or Arab media.

I was asking about your claim that a "release put out by Hamas" said that the people Israeli killed in Gaza were "all related to the organization that the terrorists were affiliated with". Can you not provide any source to support that claim, be it from Israeli media, Arab media, or otherwise?

 

[EagleKeeper]

I was asking about your claim that a "release put out by Hamas" said that the people Israeli killed in Gaza were "all related to the organization that the terrorists were affiliated with". Can you not provide any source to support that claim, be it from Israeli media, Arab media, or otherwise?

Read into the second link.

The day that this happened there were also other statements throughout the news organizations. those you can dig up yourself.

I am not holding Hamas directly accountable for this; other than the fact that they let these groups operate inside Gaza.

 

[Broheim]

I imagine they have a hard time getting kids to sit down and watch shows about rainbows and bubblegum while death is constantly raining down and blowing up their neighbors.
A lot of our childrens shows would probably be torture for their kids to watch.

all the more reason for a sugarcoated break from reality while being teached good values, rather than more hate that will do nothing but further their own misery.

the fact that you would even try to brush this off as something innocent is quite frankly sickening.

 

[Orignal Earl]

the fact that you would even try to brush this off as something innocent is quite frankly sickening.

Is that a fact?
Of course it isn't.

 

[kylebisme]

Read into the second link.

I have read your second link, along with the others, and didn't find anything in any of them to support your claim that a "release put out by Hamas" said that the people Israeli killed in Gaza were "all related to the organization that the terrorists were affiliated with". Would you please quote whatever you are referring to specifically?

 

[Broheim]

Is that a fact?
Of course it isn't.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I have read your second link, along with the others, and didn't find anything in any of them to support your claim that a "release put out by Hamas" said that the people Israeli killed in Gaza were "all related to the organization that the terrorists were affiliated with". Would you please quote whatever you are referring to specifically?

Middle of the article.

The Popular Resistance Committees in Gaza, whose leaders were targeted in the airstrike, and Hamas denied involvement in the terror attacks on Israel, with the latter claiming Israel was looking for a pretext to attack Gaza.

Hamas has to state something in order to deny.

Or are you expecting a gold plated invitation?:\

 

[kylebisme]

Hamas didn't state that the PRC were behind the attacks, at least not according to what you've quoted or anything else I've seen other than your wholly unsupported claim. Are you too ignorant to realize this, or just too dishonest to admit it?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Hamas didn't state that the PRC were behind the attacks, at least not according to what you've quoted or anything else I've seen other than your wholly unsupported claim. Are you too ignorant to realize this, or just too dishonest to admit it?

I did not state that Hamas said they were behind the attacks.

I stated that Hamas acknowledged that they were part of the PRC group.

According to the release put out by Hamas and also by Israel; one child and multiple adults all related to the organization that the terrorists were affiliated with were killed. Innocent civilians - potentially the child; not the adults.

Unless by some reasoning, all in Gaza are innocent and there are no militants in Gaza>

Now word by word.
The people killed were related to the PRC. Mentioned in the link previously
Hamas acknowledged that they were related to the PRC. Again mentioned in the link.

Israel was the one that stated that the terrorists (freedom fighters to you) were PRC.
No one on the Palestinian side seems to have denied this.


You are so blind to defend Hamas/Palestinians that you want to put words in peoples mouths.

The next thing you and others are going to state is that they were in reality IDF forces posing as PRC to justify strikes against the PRC in Gaza. :hmm:

 

[SamurAchzar]

What's the obsession with who was targeted in the Gaza strike? Does it matter Hamas was struck or some other militant? The Gazans have a government; that government is run by Hamas. It does not matter who committed those acts of terror as they originated in Gaza and as such, after the Israeli withdrawal, the sovereign IS responsible.

This is just another sorry method to sidetrack the discussion from the subject - Israeli civilians getting murdered, including validation of killing at point blank, by Muslim terrorists. It really does not matter which faction got punished for that afterwards.

 

[kylebisme]

I did not state that Hamas said they were behind the attacks.

You said a "release put out by Hamas" said that the people Israeli killed in Gaza were "all related to the organization that the terrorists were affiliated with", and when I asked you to cite your source you gave a bunch of links and a couple of quotes which didn't confirm your statement to obfuscate your lie.

terrorists (freedom fighters to you)

And here you lie again. I believe people who target civilians are terrorists, not freedom fighters.

 

[kylebisme]

What's the obsession with who was targeted in the Gaza strike?

It's not an obsession, but rather a simple matter of respect for reality, a quality you obviously lack.

 

[SamurAchzar]

It's not an obsession, but rather a simple matter of respect for reality, a quality you obviously lack.

Which reality is that, where you have a better idea of who committed this attack than the Israeli military intelligence?

This is how it works buddy: at first, you blame Israel. When the attack is too brutal for doing that - where your pet Jihadists really outdo themselves - you plant doubt. This was exactly the case with the massacre of the Fogel family a few months ago. I even remember Lemon Law blaming Thais that worked in their plantations and questioning the Palestinian involvement (the guys who did this, two Palestinians around their late teens or early 20's, have admitted and reproduced the slaughter as part of the investigation).

Yes, sometimes your noble Jihadists turn too barbaric - apparently even killing Jews can become tasteless after a certain limit - in which case the best line of defense is raising up questions about the perpetrators, planners, etc. "Maybe those are not even Palestinians", you'd cry.

Alas, instead of casting doubt into people hearts, you just look like a complete idiot.

 

[Lemon law]

As Sammy says, "I even remember Lemon Law blaming Thais that worked in their plantations and questioning the Palestinian involvement (the guys who did this, two Palestinians around their late teens or early 20's, have admitted and reproduced the slaughter as part of the investigation).

Yes, sometimes your noble Jihadists turn too barbaric - apparently even killing Jews can become tasteless after a certain limit - in which case the best line of defense is raising up questions about the perpetrators, planners, etc. "Maybe those are not even Palestinians", you'd cry."
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I am still not convinced the Israeli case against the two Palestinian boys is in fact correct, crapola like that occurs all over the world. But that is only tiny one small incident in the larger history of Arab Palestinian, and Israeli hostility that even if true, vindicates Israel zero.

Sammy, the point is and remains, Israeli bullshit is getting worse and worse, and Israel is skating on ever thinner ice as it commits international war crimes with increasing frequency.

Nor Sammy do you notice that there is not a single country remaining to support the Israeli side, except for maybe the USA. After all, what has Israel done for anyone else. As US democrats, Republicans, and independents wonder why we should support Israel who refuses to even have a settlement freeze. And come the UN vote, on 9/20/2011, the US may veto Palestinian Statehood, but for the USA its going to have a very big price tag when the USA isolates themselves in the international community.

Sammy you have to be very stupid, if you think present Israeli policy will be viable much longer. I know I know Sammy, you can't conceive of Israel of ever being in the wrong, but you are turning into a tiny tiny minority. The only people more stupid than you are the supporters of Bozo Netanyuhu. Who are losing international support at the speed of light. Even the USA will have no choice but to with draw all Israeli support.

Sammy you live in the past, its the future that matters.

 

[kylebisme]

Which reality is that, where you have a better idea of who committed this attack than the Israeli military intelligence?

There's only one reality, and here in it I've never presumed to have a better idea of who committed this attack than anyone, Israeli military intelligence or otherwise. Unfortunately, you're obviously too delusional to respect such facts.