Israelis shot an Armenian Monk, attack Christians in Bethlehem

[BoltCase]

One Israeli sniper apparently saw 'something moving' inside the church and decided to give it a "shot" and shot an Armenian Monk who is in a serious condition now.

Israeli claims that there are 30 Palestinains on their "wanted list" inside the church, however, they never wasted any chance in shooting down any person or "moving thing" in the church including a Palestinain policeman who tried to put out a fire in the church, only to be sniped by an Israeli. This is just few days after they the Israelis killed the church bell ringer.

Here is an article and a video that talks to a Palestinian minister whose church was taken by the Isarelis.

Pelley asked Powell an interesting question in 60 mins few days ago:


Pelley: Mr. Secretary, you've been talking to foreign ministers all around the world. It seems that there are very few countries in this world that are siding with us in favor of the Israeli incursion. The U.N. is siding with the Palestinians. The European Union is siding with the Palestinians. The Pope today sided with the Palestinians. Are we alone on this?

Powell: No. We side with the Palestinians, too. We side with both the Israelis and the Palestinians. We are working for the interests of both of those people. One is a nation, one is an authority that hopes to become a nation.


Netto

 

[Ameesh]

isreal and palistine are fighting? when did this happen?

 

[Tripleshot]

>>>One Israeli sniper apparently saw 'something moving' inside the church and decided to give it a "shot" and shot an Armenian Monk who is in a serious condition now.<<<

Colateral damage. If the pissant PLO hadn't stormed the church and put the monks in harms way,this may not have happened. The Palestinians are not welcome in the church,but it's a bit hard for a unarmed man of the cloth to kick out a bunch of armed militant zeolets. BTW,the PLO wants you to believe they are their under amnesty protection. A call from a monk inside said that couldn't be any farther from the truth. They did not ever offer these armed thugs amnesty and have insisted they leave.

It is sad that the Monk was shot. It was an accident. This is war. Sh!t happens.

You apparently would not know anything about that,would you?

 

[WA261]

<< isreal and palistine are fighting? when did this happen? >>




hehehhe

 

[Gen Stonewall]

<< Powell: No. We side with the Palestinians, too. We side with both the Israelis and the Palestinians. We are working for the interests of both of those people. One is a nation, one is an authority that hopes to become a nation. >>



No, you aren't, Mr. Powell. By trying to stop Israel's military strike, you are clearly favoring the Palestinians over the Israelis. You are pandering to the terrorists and jeopordizing Israel's security. Realize, Mr. Powell, that the Israelis cannot be safe until the terrorists are rounded up. Give Israel the upper hand this time.

 

[pallander]

>>>It is sad that the Monk was shot. It was an accident. This is war. Sh!t happens. >>>
fool,use sniper at a monk is no war,it is insane damnit!

 

[iamwiz82]

<< >>>It is sad that the Monk was shot. It was an accident. This is war. Sh!t happens. >>>
fool,use sniper at a monk is no war,it is insane damnit! >>



can i get a translation?

 

[pallander]

>>can i get a translation?>>
well if you cant read sorry for you .try to go back to school as a starter.

 

[pallander]

>can i get a translation?>>
really stupid of you,are you retard?

 

[ed21x]

<< >>can i get a translation?>>
well if you cant read sorry for you .try to go back to school as a starter. >>



In case you find it THAT difficult to understand his sarcasm, he was trying to tell you (in a polite way) to clear up your horrible grammar. relax, man,

 

[pallander]

>In case you find it THAT difficult to understand his sarcasm, he was trying to tell you (in a polite way) to clear up your horrible grammar. relax, man,>>
hey!he tells about a war as he put it,then he thinks my grammar sucks?he must be retarded..

 

[Tripleshot]

pallander

Uh, your the fool bubba. Your butt buddy Palistenian friends got that Monk shot by using the Church as a barrier to protect them from being arrested. They are inside the church, fully armed and firing their weapons at Iraeli soldiers who are trying to extract them with as little damage to this Holy shrine as possible. They are not attacking Christians as the moron who started this insiteful thread stated.

You can eat sh!t and die, sympathizer, for all I care.

 

[pallander]

>You can eat sh!t and die, sympathizer, for all I care>>
I missunderstood the issue,but to shoot show how intelligent their soldiers are...and how can it be a war they use stones usually?

 

[Lucky]

I love how everytime israel does something like this, its always justified because "its war" and "it wouldnt have happened if the palestinians didnt do xxxxx".


Both sides are wrong, and the stupid excuses used to justify them are even lamer.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It is sad that the Monk was shot. It was an accident. This is war. Sh!t happens.

If I have a blowout, lose control of my Ford Explorer and run YOU off the road . . . that's an accident.

If I'm changing the disc in the CD player and run you off the road . . . that's an accident; albeit I'm negligent and responsible.

If I intentionally run you off the road b/c you MIGHT be the guy I saw kissing my GF . . . that's not an accident.

The KAL flight shot down by the Soviet Union was an accident . . . negligent, but an accident . . . probably.

The Iranian airliner shot down by the US Navy was an accident . . . negligent, but an accident . . . hopefully.


A reasonably similar case
On Aug. 22, 1992, on a remote ridge in northern Idaho, aweeklong standoff between white supremacist Randy Weaver and federal agents ended in a shootout in which an FBI sniper shot and killed Weaver's wife, Vicky. The Ruby Ridge confrontation began aweek earlier when federal marshals tried to arrest Weaver for failing to appear in court on weapons charges. At that time, a gun battle erupted between marshals and Weaver's 14-year-old son, resulting in the deaths of Weaver's son and a marshal.

The incident led to one of the most intensive internal reviews of an FBI investigation ever. Attorney General Janet Reno established a Justice Department task force to investigate the events at Ruby Ridge. The task force concluded in a 1994 report that the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team overreacted to the threat of violence and instituted a shoot-on-sight policy that violated bureau guidelines and Fourth Amendment restrictions on police power.

 

[Tripleshot]

BaliBabyDoc

Your point is?
:Q

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

If I have a blowout, lose control of my Ford Explorer and run YOU off the road . . . that's an accident.

Nevermind, that's Firestone and Ford's negligence.

 

[ThePresence]

<< >You can eat sh!t and die, sympathizer, for all I care>>
I missunderstood the issue,but to shoot show how intelligent their soldiers are...and how can it be a war they use stones usually? >>



I've never read such an ignorant post.

 

[BoltCase]

Ignorance prevails...



<< Colateral damage. If the pissant PLO hadn't stormed the church and put the monks in harms way,this may not have happened. The Palestinians are not welcome in the church,but it's a bit hard for a unarmed man of the cloth to kick out a bunch of armed militant zeolets. BTW,the PLO wants you to believe they are their under amnesty protection. A call from a monk inside said that couldn't be any farther from the truth. They did not ever offer these armed thugs amnesty and have insisted they leave. >>



Not Colateral damage. If this have been an ongoing fighting, I would understand a possible mistake, but Israeli snipers have used adjaced buildings to kill those inside the church, ANYONE in the church was a target to be killed, they already killed a policeman, a bell rigner, and now just shot a Monk.

Also, half of the population of Bethlehem is Christian, those "militiat zealots" taking refugee in the church are local palestinian policemen and security guards, many of which are Christians and attend the church according to church officials.

Accordint to the chuch officials, no one ever fired from inside the church, the IDF has been trying to provoke the situation and has fired on the church several times.

Also, have you seen the video and the destruction the Israelis made and how they stormed the churches and used them as sniping posts?

or you feel like ignoring that. This is what have been reported, what happens on ground is much worse.

The so "Colateral" damage has resulted in hundreds of civilian deaths, there is no mistake in this, this is a war of revenge agaisnt the Palestinains.

 

[pallander]

I think the whole issue down there stinks.I think both sides are doing wrong but I cant be so dumb I only support Israel...

 

[BoltCase]

To reiterate:


Mr. Secretary, you've been talking to foreign ministers all around the world. It seems that there are very few countries in this world that are siding with us in favor of the Israeli incursion. The U.N. is siding with the Palestinians. The European Union is siding with the Palestinians. The Pope today sided with the Palestinians. Are we alone on this?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Nevermind, that's Firestone and Ford's negligence.

Assuming my tires are properly inflated.

Are you serious? You can't be that clueless. War is not an excuse for any general action. However, it is possible for a particular action to be justifiable. Most of the military forces I respect (and there are very few) have some code of conflict "Rules of Engagement" if you like. I'm not sure if you are aware but a sniper has that position b/c they are the most competent at executing a "justifiable kill". I've never heard of a sniper that was just trying to wing somebody. Once the target is identified and acquired; it's dirt nap time for somebody. Hopefully with due cause. I would like to hear the sniper's side but if he squeezed the trigger b/c he "saw something move" that's not just dumb . . . it's immoral.

So Palestinian gunmen are shooting from the church. If anything that would make it EASIER for a sniper to differentiate combatant from civilian. And certainly the sniper SHOULD be firing from a protected position. Maybe this account is inaccurate and the IDF sniper acted appropriately. I don't know. But from the first read his act seems reckless. And reckless acts are not endorsed by any code of conduct worthy of respect.

 

[Amused]

You know, it's shocking, but sometimes soldiers have even been known to accidentally kill their own.

Mistakes DO happen. This was caused by the Palestinians. To blame the Israelis is just plain old bias, nothing more.

 

[ThePresence]

<< To reiterate:


Mr. Secretary, you've been talking to foreign ministers all around the world. It seems that there are very few countries in this world that are siding with us in favor of the Israeli incursion. The U.N. is siding with the Palestinians. The European Union is siding with the Palestinians. The Pope today sided with the Palestinians. Are we alone on this?
>>



Is this anything new? The world usually takes sides against the Jews. Nothing new here....

 

[Amused]

<< To reiterate:


Mr. Secretary, you've been talking to foreign ministers all around the world. It seems that there are very few countries in this world that are siding with us in favor of the Israeli incursion. The U.N. is siding with the Palestinians. The European Union is siding with the Palestinians. The Pope today sided with the Palestinians. Are we alone on this?
>>



If we're doing something the UN AND EU don't like, we MUST be doing something right. I'd be very worried if our stand resembled theirs.

And the POPE? You've got to be kidding me.