It appears RADEON is better then GeForce2

TimTim

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First, no flaming me please, this is just what information i have gathered, and i am in the market for a new card and was going to get a Geforce2 untill the suprise early release of RADEON. After reading every review i can find and talking to many people that have tested the RADEON, it would appear that it is indeed the better card to get.

ATI set out to improve 32-bit High Resoluton, High Quality, and High Detail perfomance and that's exactly what they did.

Some will say even though the RADEON clearly beats the Geforce2 in 32-bit performance that the GeForce2 is still faster in 16-bit. Yes, it is....and THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BY RADEON.

16-bit performance has been OVERKILL for some time now. Almost any current generation card can give good enough 16-bit performance.

ATI decided to not waste resources improving 16-bit when it doesn't need it, and put their focus on 32-bit.

The higher the resolution goes in 32-bit, the farther the RADEON pulls ahead of GeForce2. In fact the guys at Gamers Alliance had to change the whole way they test cards. They never expected to test in 32-bit at ultra high resolutions because no card could handle it..........UNTILL NOW!!!

Go check out the review at Gamers Alliance (ga-hardware.com) and make sure to READ THE LAST SET OF BENCHMARKS AND FINAL COMMENTS. The review takes a interesting turn at the end when they realize what is going on and decide to try some new benchmarks.

Also, check out the review at Gamers Depot (gamersdepot.com) Duane, the reviewer and main guy at the site said after testing the RADEON he would be getting rid of his GeForce2 and running the RADEON in his system from now on. Pretty good compliment. He is a very well respected hardware reviewer.

Even Tom (tomshardwae.com) gives the RADEON the thumbs up.

The RADEON has solved the memory bandwith issue with the "Hyper Z" technology, and also uses faster memory to begin with (5.5ns vs 6ns)

The RADEON also has 3 texture units vs 2 for the GeForce2. This will really come into play with upcoming games like HALO supporting it. And with the many features for DirectX-8 that only the RADEON has, performance will only get better when X-8 comes out.

Plus, considering the card is brand new, with the very first drivers, the performance is amazing. As good as it is now, just think about when more mature drivers come out, and DirectX-8 hits. WOW!!

Like i said, i am ready to buy a new card, and with all this great stuff from RADEON, and just about every expert agreeing it is "The" card for High-Performance 32-bit gaming now and in the future, the choice seem pretty clear.

I have only stated facts given by testers and reviewers so Nvidia fans, please don't flame me. I am a Nvidia fan too. But more importantly, i am a game fan, and want the best possible card.

Please give feedback, and read those other reviews, and lets discuss this before i spend my money. Maybe someone knows something i don't. At this point, i am definately leaning towards the RADEON, but i want some more views on the subject from my fellow Anandtechies.

Thanks


 

Zukiman

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You have several good points, and being the hardware junkie that I am, I have read all the reviews. My feeling is that like all the other high end products out now, they all support features that are not yet in the games we play, and by the time the games come, the next product cycle is upon us. This won't change. My budget does not allow me to buy a new card every few months, as I also find you need a new computer to go around it. If you are still running a PII 300, and go for the latest vid card, you won't be happy. If you up your processor and not your vid, you won't be happy. If you do both, but have not maxed your ram, you won't be happy. Bus speed? Gott have the latest and greatet chipset. My new philosopy is to dump my entire system once a year and start over, and time it when the newest, best, fastest product is out, reviewed, and has stable drivers and proven compatibility. This is the hardest (emotionally) way to do things, but is the most economically sound. And you don't end up with a bunch of parts in a shoebox in the closet.
BTW My setup (just built)

Athlon Thunderbird 950
Geforce2
Sb Live
256 PC 100
30.7 gig WD Drive
TDK Velo CD
Cable Modem
 

TimTim

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HeHe, tell me about it. That's why i am trying to be sure about what card to get. No way i can buy another one for a while after this one. I agree with you, spending $300-400 every few months for a new card is for Donald Trump, not me. Whatever i get, (RADEON or GeForce2) has to last me for a while.

After all, I like to EAT too!!!
 

Zukiman

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Something you might want to read is my post in video about an issue I am dealing with right now. This might be of interest to you and your decision.
 

bluemax

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another nice thing about the Radeon is the extra graphic features it supports, in addition to raw speed!
Hardware bump mapping!
Texture & Lighting!
Yes!
Not only is this card fast, but it's gotta' look BETTER than the Geforce2!! I'd love to see this thing in action in 3Dmark2000! The numbers at the end are one thing, but how pretty it looks during the show is even more important!
 

apoppin

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Yes. At this point in time the Radeon is IT! If I was going to buy the best right now, it would be my choice

I just upgraded from a Rage Fury to a cheap GeForce SDR to hold me till the Radeon Maxx or other Next Gen vidcard amazes me - probably the end of this year. I am also waiting for the next gen of games that will take full advantage of thse new technologies
 

SaturnX

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Hrmm... from reviews I've read and benchmarks... the GeForce2 still outmatched the Radeon, not to mention slow Core/Mem speed, and a lower fill rate compared to the GeForce, the only area where the Radeon shows it's worth is in the higher resolutions.. but overall.. the GTS still runs better...

Here are the benchmarks for the Radeon...
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/radeonpreview/page5.asp

Well that's my 2 cents..
--Mark
 

snow patrol

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Yawn - 3D MARK 2000 is a sythetic benchmark and is not a real life application. Do you play 3D MARK 2000??? Do you?

At resolutions of 1024x768 and above in 32bit colour, which is surely what gamers want these days the Radeon outperforms the 32meg GTS (Quake 3, Unreal, MDK 2).

TimTim - I still think you should wait a few more months mate!
 

TimTim

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Hey Snow Patrol,

Where have you been? I posted to you in my old thread with my system specs after you asked me.

What are YOU going to do Mate? Wait?

I am still a bit unsure.

I guess maybe my old thread must have dropped off the list. I will check back tommorrow Snowy!!



 

snow patrol

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I'm going to wait. There's no way I'm getting one of the current cards BTW TimTim - I recommend you make your profile viewable to others and allow private messages. Just click the 'profile' button at the top, and check the relevant boxes.
 

Sunner

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If ATi comes through this time, I might start trusting them again.
Lets just hope this isnt Rage128 all over again, with delays, crappy drivers etc etc.
 

Vegito

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I believe the problem with ATI is that if they make it in time, they still have a chance BUT if they delay this like the Rages128s etc.. they'll probably lose out to the GeForce crowd..
 

Skalman

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Radeon is only better in 32bit at 1280*1024 and above. Many monitors can't use that resolution. And if it can, the framerates will be pretty low even with the Radeon. So I would prefer the GF2.
That's all I had to say.
 

scottie

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The 64 MB Radeon looks good and is a bit faster than the GTS at about the same price as other 64 MB GTS cards. It's video quality looks to be as good, too.

If real world results are like this review and they solve the VIA problems, we have a new contender.
 

pen^2

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methinks for games nowadays its pretty much a tossup. but there is no question readeon is a more sophisticated and better card (has plenty more features), no doubt about that. just dont forget its been quite a while (halfway thru nvidia's devenlopment cycle) since gts first was announced and made available. improvement i see going from gts to radeon is only nominal, although gts over gf1 original aint all that much of an improvement anyways. nv20 is coming... so is g800. thats all i have to say. (i never said they will be affordable to us folks broke as joke )
 
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