It finally happened: Black Americans carrying guns.

[brandonbull]

Ah, everyone's favourite form of passive-aggressive racism: "black society must be perfect before it's allowed to protest systemic racist violence."

Thinking like that and electing Democrats, people get what they get.

 

[brandonbull]

maybe you could take your KKK hood off, and go to Chicago yourself.....

How can anyone really take the BLM movement seriously when more people have been killed in Chicago since 9/11 than US troops fighting terrorists? Kids are being shot up daily and people are more worried about Christopher Columbus statues and playing the "Black national Anthem". People like you are the ones with the KKK hoods and the plantation mentality.

Chicago Gun Violence Spikes and Increasingly Finds the Youngest Victims (Published 2020)

Nine children under the age of 18 have been shot dead in Chicago since June 20.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Jhhnn]

that matters not at all.
Doing NOTHING feeds right wing rage.
Fox needs the ratings. Russia needs the chaos. Donald needs the distractions.
Theres absolutely nothing the left and the middle can do to stop any of them.

That's no reason to play into it. We don't need militias shooting it out anywhere in America.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Ah, everyone's favourite form of passive-aggressive racism: "black society must be perfect before it's allowed to protest systemic racist violence."

ABC News is reporting that this past weekend, there were 87 people shot in Chicago, 17 fatally. In NYC, 64 shooting victims, 270 for the month of June. 25 shooting victims in Philadelphia. 23 in Atlanta.

The last time we’ve seen shootings at this rate was in the late 90s, which ushered in the era of police militarization and the degradation of police accountability.

Hard to make the case for police reform when violent crime is on the rise, and the societal animosity towards police is having the net effect of emboldening criminals and causing even more deaths and community harm.

When did condemning gun violence become perfection?

 

[woolfe9998]

That`s is ok!! They can fight with the white Supremacists.....most groups have a few loonies! For too long people of color have protested and nobody had weapons except for the Police.....do we need to go there??

Their leader is an anti-semite. That is emphatically not OK.

 

[WelshBloke]

ABC News is reporting that this past weekend, there were 87 people shot in Chicago, 17 fatally. In NYC, 64 shooting victims, 270 for the month of June. 25 shooting victims in Philadelphia. 23 in Atlanta.

The last time we’ve seen shootings at this rate was in the late 90s, which ushered in the era of police militarization and the degradation of police accountability.

Hard to make the case for police reform when violent crime is on the rise, and the societal animosity towards police is having the net effect of emboldening criminals and causing even more deaths and community harm.

When did condemning gun violence become perfection?

Shouldn't this be more of a call to police reform?
A significant proportion of the population don't trust and won't work with the police.
The only way to get those crime figures down is for the police to work with the community.

 

[ivwshane]

How can anyone really take the BLM movement seriously when more people have been killed in Chicago since 9/11 than US troops fighting terrorists? Kids are being shot up daily and people are more worried about Christopher Columbus statues and playing the "Black national Anthem". People like you are the ones with the KKK hoods and the plantation mentality.

Chicago Gun Violence Spikes and Increasingly Finds the Youngest Victims (Published 2020)

Nine children under the age of 18 have been shot dead in Chicago since June 20.

www.nytimes.com

Anyone who isn’t a dumb ass moron can see it’s not a either or issue. In fact anyone who isn’t retarded can support addressing both issues. Also most people who are capable of thinking for themselves and who don’t just regurgitate talking points, understands that these are separate issues whose solutions aren’t necessarily the same.

You aren’t a retarded moron who isn’t capable of thinking for themselves, are you?

 

[ivwshane]

Shouldn't this be more of a call to police reform?
A significant proportion of the population don't trust and won't work with the police.
The only way to get those crime figures down is for the police to work with the community.

He’s not capable of understanding context nor cause and effect. It’s why he relates one thing to another while ignoring other factors at the time (both in the past and in the present).

Now is exactly the time for police reform, the kind of reform that places emphasis on community involvement, accountability, and transparency. Making people feel safe and apart of the community they live in and having a community that looks out for one another is what reduces crime, it’s one of the reasons trump has been so horrible for this country, he’s done exactly the opposite of the former.

 

[Paratus]

How can anyone really take the BLM movement seriously when more people have been killed in Chicago since 9/11 than US troops fighting terrorists? Kids are being shot up daily and people are more worried about Christopher Columbus statues and playing the "Black national Anthem". People like you are the ones with the KKK hoods and the plantation mentality.

Chicago Gun Violence Spikes and Increasingly Finds the Youngest Victims (Published 2020)

Nine children under the age of 18 have been shot dead in Chicago since June 20.

www.nytimes.com

ABC News is reporting that this past weekend, there were 87 people shot in Chicago, 17 fatally. In NYC, 64 shooting victims, 270 for the month of June. 25 shooting victims in Philadelphia. 23 in Atlanta.

The last time we’ve seen shootings at this rate was in the late 90s, which ushered in the era of police militarization and the degradation of police accountability.

Hard to make the case for police reform when violent crime is on the rise, and the societal animosity towards police is having the net effect of emboldening criminals and causing even more deaths and community harm.

When did condemning gun violence become perfection?

Why is it that Chicago matters? Don’t all cities matter? If you weren’t so biased you’d see that.

Oh by the way what BLM is protesting for would reduce gun violence in their communities... including Chicago.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Shouldn't this be more of a call to police reform?
A significant proportion of the population don't trust and won't work with the police.
The only way to get those crime figures down is for the police to work with the community.

Absolutely, police need to work with the community, but the community also needs to work with the police, and peripheral issues like the number of guns on the streets and the prevalence of gangs also makes it such that police enter any situation with the expectation that it can escalate unpredictably.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Why is it that Chicago matters? Don’t all cities matter? If you weren’t so biased you’d see that.

Oh by the way what BLM is protesting for would reduce gun violence in their communities... including Chicago.

I cited Chicago, and NY, and Atlanta, and Philadelphia...all cities matter, quite a few are experiencing a rise in gun violence.

It matters because gun violence demands and forces an armed police response, which increases the likelihood of officer involved shootings.

BLM should be calling to an end to gun violence, as it directly correlated to the entire police conversation.

 

[ivwshane]

I cited Chicago, and NY, and Atlanta, and Philadelphia...all cities matter, quite a few are experiencing a rise in gun violence.

It matters because gun violence demands and forces an armed police response, which increases the likelihood of officer involved shootings.

BLM should be calling to an end to gun violence, as it directly correlated to the entire police conversation.

Lol no it’s not and the fact that you don’t understand this surprises no one.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Lol no it’s not and the fact that you don’t understand this surprises no one.

yawn

 

[ivwshane]

yawn

You are absolutely right, your ignorance is tiring.

 

[shortylickens]

That's no reason to play into it. We don't need militias shooting it out anywhere in America.

fair enough.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I cited Chicago, and NY, and Atlanta, and Philadelphia...all cities matter, quite a few are experiencing a rise in gun violence.

It matters because gun violence demands and forces an armed police response, which increases the likelihood of officer involved shootings.

BLM should be calling to an end to gun violence, as it directly correlated to the entire police conversation.

You guys don`t get it do you?
Gun violence does not demand that the police treat all innocent people of color as criminals!
Last time i checked gun violence does not negate your constitutional rights....does it?
Gun violence does not give the Police carte blanc to use unnecessary force!
You are saying what BLM should be calling for, yet that is not the issue......
Police reform is the issue!
Gun violence is no excuse to NOT reform the Police Departments across the US!

Gun violence in and of itself is IMO a 2A issue!1
Nice try though....equating BLM with Gun Violence!
That is something FOX News did a few days ago....lol

 

[shortylickens]

if gun violence were an actual excuse the cops would be harassing everyone in a given neighborhood equally. they wouldnt focus on black Americans.

 

[Muse]

Where I live blacks have guns and carry guns. But most of them aren't marching while doing that, they're just carrying. Well, not most, but many do. They don't care about the law, and why should they? The law mostly doesn't care about them. I got this from a black American, he explained this to me in no uncertain terms.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You are absolutely right, your ignorance is tiring.

Irony

 

[fskimospy]

Why is it that Chicago matters? Don’t all cities matter? If you weren’t so biased you’d see that.

Oh by the way what BLM is protesting for would reduce gun violence in their communities... including Chicago.

I for one am glad that we've finally come back to that comfortable place where conservatives say that the reason things are fucked up is because black people are protesting incorrectly.

It was a scary month and a half there, but nature is healing. Soon we'll hear calls for black communities to address black on black crime as the price for having the police stop brutalizing them.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You guys don`t get it do you?
Gun violence does not demand that the police treat all innocent people of color as criminals!
Last time i checked gun violence does not negate your constitutional rights....does it?
Gun violence does not give the Police carte blanc to use unnecessary force!
You are saying what BLM should be calling for, yet that is not the issue......
Police reform is the issue!
Gun violence is no excuse to NOT reform the Police Departments across the US!

Gun violence in and of itself is IMO a 2A issue!1
Nice try though....equating BLM with Gun Violence!
That is something FOX News did a few days ago....lol

Nice try, I didn’t equate BLM to gun violence. @ivwshane is eager, willing and capable to help you move the goal post to your next incoherent rebuttal.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I cited Chicago, and NY, and Atlanta, and Philadelphia...all cities matter, quite a few are experiencing a rise in gun violence.

It matters because gun violence demands and forces an armed police response, which increases the likelihood of officer involved shootings.

BLM should be calling to an end to gun violence, as it directly correlated to the entire police conversation.

Then you should get involved instead of telling others what to do again. BLM awaits your list of demands, you may want to include a copy of your personal dictionary

 

[Starbuck1975]

I for one am glad that we've finally come back to that comfortable place where conservatives say that the reason things are fucked up is because black people are protesting incorrectly.

It was a scary month and a half there, but nature is healing. Soon we'll hear calls for black communities to address black on black crime as the price for having the police stop brutalizing them.

That’s odd, because ABC news, CNN, WAPO and others are now all featuring articles that are quite sympathetic to police and even quote a few major metropolitan police chiefs who all cite the latest wave of gun violence into the “you’re not helping” category.

 

[fskimospy]

That’s odd, because ABC news, CNN, WAPO and others are now all featuring articles that are quite sympathetic to police and even quote a few major metropolitan police chiefs who all cite the latest wave of gun violence into the “you’re not helping” category.

I’m unclear as to why that is relevant as mainstream media has always been very pro-police. (conservatives conveniently pretend not to notice this)

Regardless, like I said it was hard to be out of our comfort zone where we blame black people for police misconduct and police riots like we saw last month. As to whether or not this is helping, too bad. The police and the police alone are responsible for their actions - we pay them very well to be. If they are arguing ‘gun violence forces us to engage in egregious misconduct’ then let them make that argument.

It’s amazing how low the bar is for police to actually perform their jobs as their contracts and laws demand. Lol. Is there any set of employees held to less?

 

[Starbuck1975]

I’m unclear as to why that is relevant as mainstream media has always been very pro-police. (conservatives conveniently pretend not to notice this)

Regardless, like I said it was hard to be out of our comfort zone where we blame black people for police misconduct and police riots like we saw last month. As to whether or not this is helping, too bad. The police and the police alone are responsible for their actions - we pay them very well to be. If they are arguing ‘gun violence forces us to engage in egregious misconduct’ then let them make that argument.

It’s amazing how low the bar is for police to actually perform their jobs as their contracts and laws demand. Lol. Is there any set of employees held to less?

LOL, now the mainstream media has a conservative bias.

Police absolutely need to be held to a higher standard, but societal and institutional change requires sustained political pressure, and for those of us who are on board with the notion of reforming the police, we also recognize that there is a criminal element quite capable of exploiting the situation until it derails the whole conversation. This is what happened in Seattle.

Is it sooooo unreasonable to ask that we simultaneously address both police reform and criminal gun violence given that they’re both contributing factors to the larger conversation? But I also recognize this is harder to acknowledge and address, its far easier to blame the police and go knock over a few statues.