If your argument hinges on “liberal social Media” not bringing it up then you have a fairly weak argument.
Yes we only have anecdotal evidence, but not all anecdotal evidence is equal value. My anecdotal evidence is that I extensively read news media every day, for years on end, and this view is not one I have commonly encountered. The problem with google search evidence is that American media writes millions of words a day in the form of thousands of articles. And a huge percentage of those articles are now online and searchable. Hence, you can find a relatively long list of articles espousing pretty much any arguably reasonable viewpoint.
But your emphasis on how many articles you can find expressing the view is also overlooking something else that is important. It's the number of articles written about police violence which talk about racism and a culture of violence among police but mention nothing about guns. I think it is ludicrous to ever discuss it without even mentioning what is causing 80%+ of the killings. If I were to use my time to look around, how many links do you suppose I could find showing exactly that?
And none of that is even addressing liberal places in social media, such as right here on P&N, where it is consistently never brought up, and when one poster brings it up, there is literally no reply whatsoever.
To claim there is no bias at work here is absurd.
Do you really think I read it any less?
If this evidence is not sufficient for you then I struggle to think of any that would be.
This is moving the goalposts. If you want to say that the media and people are biased towards more sensationalistic article topics I would agree with you (and have said as much many times in the past). That’s not your original argument though.
I just think your idea that liberals of all people wouldn’t want to talk about gun control in the context of racial equity is laughable. Those are both catnip to liberals so of course they’ve discussed them for a long time!
No I don't think you read it any less, and I doubt what you've seen is very different than what I've seen. You discovered that you could find a decent number of articles discussing this through google. Prior to that, did you consider it a commonly expressed point in your own extensive readings? If so, maybe you're reading different publications than me.
I've already explained why it isn't sufficient, quite logically. Long lists of links in google searches prove very little about the commonality of a view.
Yes, they are biased toward sensationalism, but that isn't the only issue. They are also being PC. They are afraid of "woke culture." When you talk about factors like street dealing being a major factor in the police presence in black communities, and the harassment which results, it sounds like you're blaming black people for the problem instead of police. In this political climate, such offenses will not be overlooked.
So far as gun control being catnip for liberals, you're right. It is. Just not in this particular context, which is exactly why it is so strange.
Who cares if you believe said supreme court ruling is a bad ruling? It is still a ruling...go cry somewhere else about it.......oh I have a better idea how about I call a waaaaaambulance for you??I personally believe said supreme court ruling is a bad ruling. They should be absolute, period. If there are exceptions, then they are not rights, they are privileges. I agree that in the past there were restrictions, on rights, that were racially, motivated, and said restrictions were flat out wrong. We are never going to move on, as a nation, as long as we keep allowing our media, on both sides, to stir the pot, though. Too many people, with money and power, that benefit from us being divided. Carlin said it best. Be aware of NSFW language.
You are right, but somebody has to start having people of color show just like white people do , with weapons!Their leader is an anti-semite. That is emphatically not OK.
You are right, but somebody has to start having people of color show just like white people do , with weapons!
I agree with everything you said. However, the same as how the military has different branches and functions, we need to do the same for police. We’ve trained police to handle an armed populace, and approach every encounter as an armed scenario, and then blame them when it desensitizes them and creates a pattern of violence. It’s also ironic that there is mistrust and animosity towards police, but also an expectation of a swift response from police once the criminal shootings begin.
If this was such an easy problem to grasp, there would be an easy solution to it.
I agree!! Me being Jewish i totally understand! Yet I feel for my colored brothers and sisters who protest without any weapons and then you have White people who always bring guns to a protest.....Probably, but if the people doing it are bigoted religious fanatics which is what so many people on the right are, then I think liberals should refrain from celebrating it.
I would also say that I find anti-semitism and homophobia on the part of racial minorities to be especially galling because it is hypocritical.
I agree!! Me being Jewish i totally understand! Yet I feel for my colored brothers and sisters who protest without any weapons and then you have White people who always bring guns to a protest.....
Why is it that Chicago matters? Don’t all cities matter? If you weren’t so biased you’d see that.
Oh by the way what BLM is protesting for would reduce gun violence in their communities... including Chicago.
if gun violence were an actual excuse the cops would be harassing everyone in a given neighborhood equally. they wouldnt focus on black Americans.
Where is your evidence to support your dibble......oh, FOX news talking points is not exactly evidence....It’s not just Chicago. It’s just the poster child the suffering of the economically disadvantaged in the democrat run urban centers. -- you wouldn`t be saying crap if it was a white neighborhood....racist much?
Nothing BLM says or does will reduce violence in these or any community. They obviously couldn’t care less or BLM would have been active for decades working to do so. -- You don`t get off that easy! In reality the white folks couldn`t stop Police brutality and their promises to do so were false promises and finally enough people decided that enough was enough!
Don’t confuse the political organization which is just refried leftist barf from the honest sentiment of black lives matter as much as any other. Whether from black on black violence, other ethnicities or bad cops. -- Exactly don`t you dare confuse a legitimate leftist Political organization for a racist right wing white supremaicist organization!
Ah, Paratus, if you had any evidence to back up your claim, I’m sure you would enlightened. That’s what’s so fun about arguing with liberals... it’s all about, sniffle, snuffle, how you feel. (-;
Nice try, I didn’t equate BLM to gun violence. @ivwshane is eager, willing and capable to help you move the goal post to your next incoherent rebuttal.
Gun violence and Bad policing against colored people do not go hand in hand.....they are seperate issues!Yodalickens, that’s obviously demographically moronic.
Besides, as was said above, it’s not one or the other. We can and should all want to reduce violence and bad policing, wherever it may be or what groups are involved.
Right.
BLM isn’t about rainbows and unicorn farts. They’ve said loudly they want to burn it down if they don’t get what they want.
Again you are in denial! You are way in over your head and will probably get a call from FOX news to STFU because you are embarrassing to them!!Right.
BLM isn’t about rainbows and unicorn farts. They’ve said loudly they want to burn it down if they don’t get what they want.
Gun violence and Bad policing against colored people do not go hand in hand.....they are seperate issues!
Which by the way do not impact white people as much as people of color are impacted!
That's not true. Point out where they said anything like that, from here-
Says the white supremacist pity poet.It is true
BLM Leader: We'll 'Burn' the System Down If U.S. Won't Give Us What We Want
"I don't condone nor do I condemn rioting," Hawk Newsome, chairman of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, said Wednesday. "I'm just telling you what I observe."www.newsweek.com
Not only did they say it, they are doing it. https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/bl...06-20-2020/h_39e51b01009de0d19291725f2f72abc1
Black Lives Matter protesters topple Washington D.C Confederate statue
The protesters used ropes and chains to pull down the statue of a Confederate general, chanting "Black Lives Matter" and "Let it Burn."www.google.com
Again, don’t be fooled by the vile racist BLM organization and it’s cadre of leftist agents provocateurs from the heartfelt sentiment that black lives matter as much as any other.
Says the white supremacist pity poet.
Keep writing that victim porn, snowflake.
Yodalickens, that’s obviously demographically moronic.
Besides, as was said above, it’s not one or the other. We can and should all want to reduce violence and bad policing, wherever it may be or what groups are involved.
Don`t throttle back anything....go for it......Yoda,
Throttling back the invective on my part (for the moment (-: )...
Why do you think they are separate?
Agreed, but when domestic situations also involve guns, who do you send in?The "isn't a difficult concept to grasp" bit was more about explaining why people are prioritizing protests against police violence, not really the solution. I understand that it's a complex situation that likely involves toning down some police responses and, in some cases, delegating things to non-police units. (People frequently complain that police are treated like domestic counsellors with guns.)
Amazingly you don’t afford BLM that curtesy and instead expect them to tackle all problems related to black people and instead proclaim that they must not care about issues facing black people.
To dumb it down for you, it would be like people saying to you that you don’t care about violence because you don’t support every movement, such as BLM, that supports reducing violence and bad police behavior.
Perfection is the enemy of the good.