It is official : Al Gore shares Nobel Peace Prize

[BigRig04]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: BigRig04
Well, it's official. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. That's really too bad because it used to mean something.

This is a guy who people have sympathy for because of the 2000 election, and as others have said profits off of global warming and does nothing himself to help the cause other than tell people that THEY have to fight the good fight, is going to be running around saying "listen to me!! I have a peace prize!!"

Yes, Climate Change is a fact. No, no one has proven that it's man made. I challenge anyone here (even Al Gore himself) to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans are causing it.

only the yahoos claim that humans are causing it. the overwhelmingly vast majority of data supports the notion that humans contribute to it. the debate revolves around how significant that contribution is. it takes the extremists and moon landing-deniers such as yourself to misinterpret these findings and make up your own views about what scientists are doing, in order to trash them.

go back home and leave the important work to those who matter

Whoa whoa man, where did I say that humans never contributed an ounce to global warming? Way to put words in my mouth. I said "No, no one has proven that it's (global warming) man made." Which is 100% true, no one in the world has proven that it is 100% man made.

And if you read my other posts instead of trying to grab this one and put words in my mouth, you'll see that I'm all for changing the way we do things to reduce polution.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: BigRig04
Well, it's official. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. That's really too bad because it used to mean something.

This is a guy who people have sympathy for because of the 2000 election, and as others have said profits off of global warming and does nothing himself to help the cause other than tell people that THEY have to fight the good fight, is going to be running around saying "listen to me!! I have a peace prize!!"

Yes, Climate Change is a fact. No, no one has proven that it's man made. I challenge anyone here (even Al Gore himself) to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans are causing it.

Isn't it sad that the former VP has to resort to telling lies and attention whoring just to stay in the public spotlight?

Gore is nowhere near the level of Nelson Mandela, Jimmy Carter, Doctors without Borders, Aung San Suu Kyi, etc, etc

I think that Al Sharpton will apologize to the Duke Lacrose players sooner than Gore will prove that global warming is purely man made.

Actually Gore refuses to debate it calling the issue "settled".

You're signature "Al Gore will save the environment because he is willing to make other people sacrifice" agrees with what I said earlier "Do as I say not as I do." Think about all the enviromental damage he did when flying around the world to promote his new "film." If he was a true enviromentalist he would have teleconferenced from his energy efficient house.

To be fair, he had to use the means necessary to promote the GW cause. However, to have a huge house and burn lots of electricity and then "pay" for it with carbon credits is bull. He could get a "green" house as he could afford it. Some group from MIT just built a fully "green" house- pretty neat.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I think he should spend the money on hybrids and solar panels for his place so he can stop being a hypocrite.

And maybe if you knew any real facts you would know that he can not put panels on his house, he tried and found out it is against zoning rules. "his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof."

Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.



EDIT.


Looks like they changed the zoning rules and Gore does now have solar panles along with...

"but it seems to me that Gore is a man who practices what he preaches. After his neighborhood council passed new zoning laws - ones that previously prohibited the installation of solar panels - Gore said that he'd be able to take the following additional steps

* install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.
* upgrade windows and ductwork.
* install more energy-efficient light bulbs.
* create a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management."



http://www.truthandprogress.co...owDiary.do?diaryId=383

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Al Gore winning the Nobel is like manna from heaven, a fresh new corpse for the maggots to feed on.

Full yet?

Always. I eat maggots.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Al Gore winning the Nobel is like manna from heaven, a fresh new corpse for the maggots to feed on.

Full yet?

Always. I eat maggots.

LOL, properly spiced and prepared of course.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: BigRig04
Well, it's official. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. That's really too bad because it used to mean something.

This is a guy who people have sympathy for because of the 2000 election, and as others have said profits off of global warming and does nothing himself to help the cause other than tell people that THEY have to fight the good fight, is going to be running around saying "listen to me!! I have a peace prize!!"

Yes, Climate Change is a fact. No, no one has proven that it's man made. I challenge anyone here (even Al Gore himself) to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans are causing it.

Ok I will play your game.
Prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" that humans are not causing any of it.

You fail. Cant prove a negative.

LOL the old, you can't prove a negative line. It only works if the other guy proves something other than man is causing it especially if they also believe in GW, just not man-made. It is just too convenient a line when the only way to prove man is or isn't responsible is to shut down every factory and park every vehicle for about XX years. Sorry but imo, when someone makes a claim and has shown correlation, it is up to the non believers to prove the causation is something else.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I think he should spend the money on hybrids and solar panels for his place so he can stop being a hypocrite.

And maybe if you knew any real facts you would know that he can not put panels on his house, he tried and found out it is against zoning rules. "his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof."

Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.



EDIT.


Looks like they changed the zoning rules and Gore does now have solar panles along with...

"but it seems to me that Gore is a man who practices what he preaches. After his neighborhood council passed new zoning laws - ones that previously prohibited the installation of solar panels - Gore said that he'd be able to take the following additional steps

* install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.
* upgrade windows and ductwork.
* install more energy-efficient light bulbs.* create a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management."



http://www.truthandprogress.co...owDiary.do?diaryId=383

He had to wait for zoning to install windows and bulbs? Hmmmm just sounds fishey

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Any idiot can be nominated. It doesn't mean squat unless you actually are awarded it.

And Gore proves it doesn't mean squat...even if you do win it :laugh:

 

[Jawo]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I think he should spend the money on hybrids and solar panels for his place so he can stop being a hypocrite.

And maybe if you knew any real facts you would know that he can not put panels on his house, he tried and found out it is against zoning rules. "his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof."

Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.



EDIT.


Looks like they changed the zoning rules and Gore does now have solar panles along with...

"but it seems to me that Gore is a man who practices what he preaches. After his neighborhood council passed new zoning laws - ones that previously prohibited the installation of solar panels - Gore said that he'd be able to take the following additional steps

* install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.
* upgrade windows and ductwork.
* install more energy-efficient light bulbs.* create a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management."



http://www.truthandprogress.co...owDiary.do?diaryId=383

He had to wait for zoning to install windows and bulbs? Hmmmm just sounds fishey

I was thinking that as well....I would find it hilarious if the zoning rules specifically prevented energy efficient windows and light bulbs. He could always have lived elsewhere if he truly wanted to be green from the start. Marlin1975, I think the "Carbon offset" credits is a good idea, but it does not directly remove what you put in the atmosphere....its kinda like malpractice suits..."Sorry we cut off your leg, when we meant to take out your appendix, so heres a free prostetic leg."

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Al Gore winning the Nobel is like manna from heaven, a fresh new corpse for the maggots to feed on.

Full yet?

Always. I eat maggots.

Cannibal, are ya?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Al Gore winning the Nobel is like manna from heaven, a fresh new corpse for the maggots to feed on.

Full yet?

Always. I eat maggots.

It is useless to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man . . . .

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I think he should spend the money on hybrids and solar panels for his place so he can stop being a hypocrite.

And maybe if you knew any real facts you would know that he can not put panels on his house, he tried and found out it is against zoning rules. "his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof."

Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.



EDIT.


Looks like they changed the zoning rules and Gore does now have solar panles along with...

"but it seems to me that Gore is a man who practices what he preaches. After his neighborhood council passed new zoning laws - ones that previously prohibited the installation of solar panels - Gore said that he'd be able to take the following additional steps

* install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.
* upgrade windows and ductwork.
* install more energy-efficient light bulbs.* create a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management."



http://www.truthandprogress.co...owDiary.do?diaryId=383

He had to wait for zoning to install windows and bulbs? Hmmmm just sounds fishey

I was thinking that as well....I would find it hilarious if the zoning rules specifically prevented energy efficient windows and light bulbs. He could always have lived elsewhere if he truly wanted to be green from the start. Marlin1975, I think the "Carbon offset" credits is a good idea, but it does not directly remove what you put in the atmosphere....its kinda like malpractice suits..."Sorry we cut off your leg, when we meant to take out your appendix, so heres a free prostetic leg."

You guys should really take a step back, read your posts, and think about how ridiculous you are.

Yeah it's fishy that Gore won't break zoning laws, you're right he should have just sold his house and moved somewhere else, otherwise he's a hypocrite.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I think he should spend the money on hybrids and solar panels for his place so he can stop being a hypocrite.

And maybe if you knew any real facts you would know that he can not put panels on his house, he tried and found out it is against zoning rules. "his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof."

Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.



EDIT.


Looks like they changed the zoning rules and Gore does now have solar panles along with...

"but it seems to me that Gore is a man who practices what he preaches. After his neighborhood council passed new zoning laws - ones that previously prohibited the installation of solar panels - Gore said that he'd be able to take the following additional steps

* install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.
* upgrade windows and ductwork.
* install more energy-efficient light bulbs.* create a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management."



http://www.truthandprogress.co...owDiary.do?diaryId=383

He had to wait for zoning to install windows and bulbs? Hmmmm just sounds fishey

I was thinking that as well....I would find it hilarious if the zoning rules specifically prevented energy efficient windows and light bulbs. He could always have lived elsewhere if he truly wanted to be green from the start. Marlin1975, I think the "Carbon offset" credits is a good idea, but it does not directly remove what you put in the atmosphere....its kinda like malpractice suits..."Sorry we cut off your leg, when we meant to take out your appendix, so heres a free prostetic leg."

You guys should really take a step back, read your posts, and think about how ridiculous you are.

Yeah it's fishy that Gore won't break zoning laws, you're right he should have just sold his house and moved somewhere else, otherwise he's a hypocrite.

You should really step back and realize that putting in compact florescants and new windows is not under the control of Zoning. Our point is he could have done those things YEARS ago as people like myself have done. I've had double pane Traco's for 8 years now and been running compact florescants for 4 years now. Lets also mention I have been on Xcel's wind farm power for 3 years now... Where was Al all this time? Makin bank off movies where he doesn't practice what he preaches.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Sunner
A strange choice for the peace price, that's for sure.
Then again, they did hand it to Arafat once.

Hitler was nominated.

Any idiot can be nominated. It doesn't mean squat unless you actually are awarded it.

Arafat?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: CyberDuck

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: CyberDuck

Originally posted by: piasabird
What does global warming have to do with peace?

The Nobel Peace Prize is just a popularity contests. That is what it looks like to me. The Gates Foundation is more worthy of a Peace Prize.

As global warming is the by far biggest issue facing humanity it has everything to do with peace. There will be large scale refugee crisis and wars over resources in the coming decades. Trying to prevent it from happening, or at least trying to make it become a little less bad is preemtive peace work.

regards

Jostein

Same dire warnings were given should global cooling occur... mass migrations and starvation...


thats always the fall back, if your facts don't support your stance then scare them to death


we cannot even prove that our measurements of environmental conditions is correct, let alone the fact that its not complete data. How can you react when you don't have all the data?

The world has settled on this issue. The conclusion was that it is happening and is man made. New data points to it beeing much worse than anticipated. Thats the facts the world has to face up to. And Al Gore is one of the persons who has had the guts to put the issue into the light even for ignorant americans.

Regards

Jostein

Post the direct information regarding this. All of the most recent data ive seen points to the opposite, like nasa correcting years of satellite temperatures that were inaccurate downward.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: BigRig04

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: BigRig04
Well, it's official. The Nobel Peace Prize is a joke. That's really too bad because it used to mean something.

This is a guy who people have sympathy for because of the 2000 election, and as others have said profits off of global warming and does nothing himself to help the cause other than tell people that THEY have to fight the good fight, is going to be running around saying "listen to me!! I have a peace prize!!"

Yes, Climate Change is a fact. No, no one has proven that it's man made. I challenge anyone here (even Al Gore himself) to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that humans are causing it.

only the yahoos claim that humans are causing it. the overwhelmingly vast majority of data supports the notion that humans contribute to it. the debate revolves around how significant that contribution is. it takes the extremists and moon landing-deniers such as yourself to misinterpret these findings and make up your own views about what scientists are doing, in order to trash them.

go back home and leave the important work to those who matter

Whoa whoa man, where did I say that humans never contributed an ounce to global warming? Way to put words in my mouth. I said "No, no one has proven that it's (global warming) man made." Which is 100% true, no one in the world has proven that it is 100% man made.

And if you read my other posts instead of trying to grab this one and put words in my mouth, you'll see that I'm all for changing the way we do things to reduce polution.

I read your other posts afterwards, and sorry for the offense. I should be more clear that no self-respecting climatologist is trying to prove that it's 100% man-made. Point being, it's a silly challenge, being that no one in the field even considers that a relevant issue.

That group that just proposed the 1 million dollar reward, or whatever, in regards to this very same challenge is going to get no response, b/c the serious work in no-way supports 100% man-made. Of course, they will look at this as proof that climate change doesn't exist, b/c they can't prove it. Few people will realize that that just makes them look like asshats; which is really, really, really sad

 

[CycloWizard]

What a joke. The guy made a movie that was fast and loose with the facts, made himself a buttload of money off of it, and now they give him a prize for "peace"? Of course, he donated the proceeds... to his own organization, the same one that gives him carbon credits to offset his ridiculous lifestyle. It's too bad he doesn't believe his own rhetoric, because global warming is very real.

 

[Craig234]

Rarely has one man done so much for mankind as to raise awareness of a huge danger as well as he has - as if his leadership in getting the internet created wasn't enough.

I'm not sure that the Nobel Peace Prize is exactly fitting to his work, but he deserves recognition. Now all the righties say 'of course there's global warming', where a bit ago they denied it, and before that almost no one was talking about it at all.

The contrast in leadership with the current president is almost sickening. Forget almost.

Congratulations to Al Gore for the prize.

 

[CyberDuck]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Post the direct information regarding this. All of the most recent data ive seen points to the opposite, like nasa correcting years of satellite temperatures that were inaccurated downward.

Ipcc reports: http://www.ipcc.ch/

A few recent findings:

Ice withdrawal 'shatters record' (sept. 21 2007)


Greenland ice cap melting faster than expected (oct. 11. 2007)

 

[Jaskalas]

The Nobel committee cited them "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change."

What of efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about the naturally occurring 1,500 year cycle of climate change? This smells of special treatment, but that is expected.

I consider this achievement no greater than winning a prize 500 years ago for telling us the world is flat.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Craig234
I'm not sure that the Nobel Peace Prize is exactly fitting to his work, but he deserves recognition. Now all the righties say 'of course there's global warming', where a bit ago they denied it, and before that almost no one was talking about it at all.

Since the facts don't support you you have to change them? Sorry, but the 'righties' don't disagree their is global warming or climate change. The free thinking righties just don't believe that its man made or that its a problem.

Who are we as a people to say what the right temperature is for the world? Hell we just found tools outside a cave that people mined silver in for years - all covered up because of a climate change. So were the temperatures during the times of those people any less proper for the earth than what we have now?

Thats the real truth. We don't know shit but it makes people rich to claim that its a problem.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
I'll be celebrating the news in Rome, in three weeks, at an international panel on the environment...

Ah yes... just like your claim that China "has a strong commitment to communism" even though it has stock markets, banks, and real estate, right?



My $0.02 on the issue. Global warming is a political issue because politically-inclined people make it into one. Fear, hate, and ignorance leads persons to bitterly attack those who might have dissenting opinions. Paint a monkey pink, throw it into a cage with other unpainted monkeys, and they'll tear the pink monkey to shreds. This is no different.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.

sorry, I have to call you on this. This is nothing more than a papal indulgence for the 21st century rich.

The very same people celebrating this will villify any corporation playing the pollution credits game and its the same damn thing.


paying so you can pollute and use excessive resources has got to me the most arrogant thing ever conceived.


so, what the libs are saying, its okay if your rich and pollute? As long as you contribute to Tommy's Iron Lung fund you can burn all the resources you want?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Jawo

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
I think he should spend the money on hybrids and solar panels for his place so he can stop being a hypocrite.

And maybe if you knew any real facts you would know that he can not put panels on his house, he tried and found out it is against zoning rules. "his contractors ran into a legal barrier last summer when they sought to apply for a permit to install solar panels on the roof."

Also he pays a fee to get his power from green sources. It cost extra on top of the regular bill. I guess you and Jawo missed that as well. :roll: Keep on trolling, yall are doing a great job.



EDIT.


Looks like they changed the zoning rules and Gore does now have solar panles along with...

"but it seems to me that Gore is a man who practices what he preaches. After his neighborhood council passed new zoning laws - ones that previously prohibited the installation of solar panels - Gore said that he'd be able to take the following additional steps

* install a geothermal system that will, among other things, drastically reduce the cost of heating his pool.
* upgrade windows and ductwork.
* install more energy-efficient light bulbs.* create a rainwater collection system for irrigation and water management."



http://www.truthandprogress.co...owDiary.do?diaryId=383

He had to wait for zoning to install windows and bulbs? Hmmmm just sounds fishey

I was thinking that as well....I would find it hilarious if the zoning rules specifically prevented energy efficient windows and light bulbs. He could always have lived elsewhere if he truly wanted to be green from the start. Marlin1975, I think the "Carbon offset" credits is a good idea, but it does not directly remove what you put in the atmosphere....its kinda like malpractice suits..."Sorry we cut off your leg, when we meant to take out your appendix, so heres a free prostetic leg."

lol. the inept attempts you guys come up with to try and defend the duplicitous snopes article. "zoning laws? sounds fishy." "he could just move elswhere"

you do realize that zoning laws include the types of structures you can build on your property, esp concerning the type of foundation you have, etc. Have you any idea what kind of structural undertaking placing solar panels on your roof are?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: zinfamous
Climate change, however, is perhaps the most important issue regarding world peace. If you can't consider the socio-economic factors--among them mass migration, conflicts that are sure to errupt over dwindling natural resources, etc., then you have no hope...The differences in beliefs and ancient rights of land between a handful of nations are petty compared to something that effects the planet everyone lives on.

I'm not quite clear how creating divisions over natural resources are going to foster peace. Perhaps you could explain?

My opinion of global warming is that it is quite real and that humans do contribute (not cause). I also think that nature is far smarter than us though and will fix (balance) the problem on its own with our help only getting in the way (as usual).
As to its political nature though, I see the global warming movement as an attempt to prevent undeveloped countries from developing. As with malaria, the developed countries are happy where they are. The rich oppress the poor, as usual, and recruit the young and naive among the poor to help them do it, once again as usual.