It is Official - I am Sold on Android Wear

poofyhairguy

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I haven't even had my watch for a week and I am already sold on android wear. I was very skeptical of Google Glass, and early efforts like the Galaxy Gear, but the current form is something that really improves my day-to-day life.

To answer the big question: "Why get a smartwatch?"

I think for me the answer is simple- because my phone has gotten too useful for its form and it needs a little help. Like many I use my phone for communication, entertainment, and control of other devices around my house and sometimes digging for and messing with the actual device to do all that is a pain or even dangerous.

The big example for me is commuting. I commute via car an hour and a half minimum each day, and I used to HATE when people texted me during this time because my commute is kinda a constant drive so basically the text would sit in the back of my brain for half an hour before I could safely check it. Even worse is when people would text while I was talking to someone while I was driving- I would feel very overwhelmed! Now when I get a text while driving, even on a phone call, I get that buzz on my wrist to notify me and then a quick and safe glance at my watch (at least safer than any looking at a phone trick I have ever tried) and I know what is being said to me with no anxiety.

My smartphone is also my primary entertainment device for my commute. I will queue up a playlist of podcasts from Pocketcast at night in PowerAmp so that way for my commute I plug the phone in and the podcasts start playing. But sometimes while driving I need to control that playlist- skip ones I have heard, skip back to ones I accidently missed, or pause the podcast when I need to focus on the road. I could somewhat do this by unplugging the phone, but too often what I needed required interaction with the phone which means I listen to silence or local NPR the rest of the route because messing with my phone is too unsafe. Now I get controls for my podcast on my wrist that is on my steering wheel, right in the line of sight for the road. If you drive a lot, Android Wear is a great bandaid between today and the future when cars aren't so dumb.

But even if you don't drive a lot Android Wear is handy. Having my notification shade and Google Now on my wrist has lengthened my phone battery because I am not checking it all the time. It is also helpful in situations where checking your phone might get you some dirty looks, like when you get a text from the wife during a meeting. If you are like me and you turn off your ringer during the day, it is a great way to still say in the loop if there is still an emergency. I hate those mornings when I missed 5 calls from a family member because something came up and I got busy enough at work (though not important busy) that I didn't check my phone for missed calls every ten minutes. With Android Wear, they get me the first time because their call is hard to ignore blowing up my wrist.

That is all built-in stuff, but now there are many apps that even make the whole experience more worthwhile. I like that I can control my HTPC from my watch, so I can stop a TV show's annoying credit music from blasting if my wife fell asleep on the remote. I like how Commandr adds many new voice commands to Google Now so I can really control important phone functions from my watch via voice. I like being able to take audio notes whenever and have them on my phone, or identify songs on the radio/tv without having to dig the phone out. I love how I don't have to drag around so many loyalty cards- my wallet feels a lot lighter! Wear Mini Launcher adds in functionality that it should have shipped with and will probably be what Wear 3.0+ looks like. It is all really cool stuff, like Android before ICS- you don't know what is going to happen but you expect it to be awesome.

I think that the value proposition, especially for new watches at MSRP, might not be completely there yet and early devices all seem to have some sort of flaw to keep us from having a THE Android Wear device. But for those who jump in I think the platform gives us the first wearable devices that actually are worth more than the gee-whiz factor alone. I expect the maturation of the industry to happen quickly, especially ones the iWatch hits and everyone is scrambling to Xerox the best parts of that experience. The coolest part about Android Wear is that unlike normal Android where OEMS control everything with updates, the Android Wear devices can't be skinned and updates come from straight from Google. That means the best is yet to come, and most devices you can buy today (except that 360 watch oddly enough) are most future proof than your average phone.

It is all great, I recommend it!
 

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But how are you supposed to bring the poweramp controls to your wrist? Fish through a bunch of icons while driving? That sound safe. It would seem that voice control would be better and safer.
 

Raduque

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I use mine as a timepiece and notifications viewer. Sometimes I ask it the weather. As for listening in the car, well that's what Sync is for. Voice commands and steering wheel controls.
 

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Which watch? I want to try it again. Definitely saw the benefits, but I got the Sony smartwatch 2 a while back. Far too immature, both software and hardware wise.

Basically I would describe it as a piece of shit strapped to your wrist. Got water in it during a very light rain. Threw it in the trash.

Gear S looks amazing, but unfortunately is using Samsung bs OS.
 

poofyhairguy

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Perhaps I missed it, but which watch in particular are you using?

LG G Watch, not the R one.

But how are you supposed to bring the poweramp controls to your wrist? Fish through a bunch of icons while driving? That sound safe. It would seem that voice control would be better and safer.

That is what is so cool about Android Wear- you barely dig for anything! When something is relevant, it puts it on the forefront. For example, when I play Poweramp a card with play/pause stays on my watchface. Skip forward and back is one swipe over. It is all right there. When I want it gone I swipe it away.

Voice control is the best case scenario, but only if it works all the time. That is never the case, so when I tried to just OK Google my way through everything half of the time I would hit a snag and then I would have to give up and have silence on my commute that day. Having actual controls I can touch goes a long way, at least until we live with computers as smart as those on TNG.

I use mine as a timepiece and notifications viewer. Sometimes I ask it the weather. As for listening in the car, well that's what Sync is for. Voice commands and steering wheel controls.

And that basically what it comes down to- my watch has become the world's greatest steering wheel controls. I mean, the essential problem is that ALL built-in car stuff sucks and if it doesn't suck it is locked to a platform or a set bunch of functionality. Instead I have steering wheel controls that connect to ANY app I want, not just the ones the car maker thought of when the car was made years ago, with an experience that will improve as Google updates the software.

Maybe Android for the car will change all this in the future, but right now everything in non-luxury autos is like tablets or phones before the iPhone hit- walking dinosaurs. In ten year we will marvel how we got by with car systems being so dumb and proprietary, and until then Android Wear is kinda a roll-your-own solution.
 

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I do agree that Android Wear is useful, but there are some big complaints I think it needs to address before it really shines. (I've been trying it on a Moto 360 for a while)

The big issue, as I see it, is apps. Software on Android Wear tends to get shoved to the back -- you get all your notifications and contextual info first. It's relatively hard to dive into a specific task from the watch, and I'd like a greater emphasis on that in the future. Contrast that with the Apple Watch, which will put apps one button away.

Style is another matter. To me, the current crop of Android Wear watches aren't really fashionable -- they're what a phone engineer imagines fashion to be like. The Moto 360 and G Watch R are certainly more acceptable than many previous entries, but you're still going to get funny looks if you try to pass them off as haute couture. We need more Android Wear devices that were clearly designed to compete with regular watches, not just other smartwatches.

Also, the technology needs to evolve a bit. Battery life is the main thing, but I'd also like to see sharper displays, built-in NFC and contextual controls. It sounds like Apple is going to outclass the current crop of Android Wear products pretty quickly (the Apple Watch will have a Retina display, NFC and pressure-sensitive touch from day one). Where's the answer to that?
 
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LG G Watch, not the R one.

What made you get the G Watch? Was it the sale over at Cowboom? I've been thinking about picking one up, but the looks of the ZenWatch and the Moto 360 make me hesitant to spend that money when I could be putting it towards a better Android Wear device.
 

poofyhairguy

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The big issue, as I see it, is apps. Software on Android Wear tends to get shoved to the back -- you get all your notifications and contextual info first. It's relatively hard to dive into a specific task from the watch, and I'd like a greater emphasis on that in the future. Contrast that with the Apple Watch, which will put apps one button away.

Agreed. I also dislike how important controls, like brightness, are buried. I really think Wear Mini Launcher is pretty much a required install and the concept needs to be incorporated into the OS.

Style is another matter. To me, the current crop of Android Wear watches aren't really fashionable -- they're what a phone engineer imagines fashion to be like. The Moto 360 and G Watch R are certainly more acceptable than many previous entries, but you're still going to get funny looks if you try to pass them off as haute couture. We need more Android Wear devices that were clearly designed to compete with regular watches, not just other smartwatches.

I keep hearing that point over and over, and I COMPLETELY disagree.

I think that complaint comes from "watch people" who already wear a watch all day and want a reason to wear a smarter one. Like people who want Google Glass to look less dorky because they actually wear glasses.

That isn't me. My "timepiece" for a decade+ has been my phone. Before that it was a fugly calculator watch. I LIKE that my smartwatch doesn't look like a regular watch. To me it has partially replaced my smartphone as my "flagship" tech piece- aka the tech I carry around with me that proves that yes I am techy and yes I probably know more about your computer than you do. If people just think its another watch that loses a lot of the appeal to me.

I get it, I get it- the people who already wear watches are the prime early adopters. But I think in order for this segment of tech to really take off it has to give a reason for a NON watch wearer to want to put something on their wrist that wasn't there because it makes their life better. We aren't there yet, but I feel like we might not get that "killer app" if the pressure and priority is on aping a positively ancient part of the fashion world rather than focusing on creating the next great tech experience.

But that is me, the guy who doesn't normally like watches and who thinks fashion is a code word for "industry with way too fat of margins."

Also, the technology needs to evolve a bit. Battery life is the main thing, but I'd also like to see sharper displays, built-in NFC and contextual controls. It sounds like Apple is going to outclass the current crop of Android Wear products pretty quickly (the Apple Watch will have a Retina display, NFC and pressure-sensitive touch from day one). Where's the answer to that?

I agree with you the technology needs to mature more. Part of the reason I got the watch I did get is because I feel ANYTHING on the market in two years will look like a Tegra 3 tablet does today. I get why many people are holding out.

With that said, as my favorite Apple friend pointed out, the iWatch will be $350. My watch wasn't even a third of that. For $350 I would expect a great product, something with a multi-year life. For sub-$200 I don't mind a device that lacks NFC, a better screen, or some other nifty feature. I would rather spend $400 on two devices over three or four years rather than blow it all up front on a device destined to be a dinosaur. In 2016 a sub-$200 Android Wear watch will probably destroy anything on the market including the iWatch. Most will wait for that device, I will rock my G Watch till it get here.

Of course that means that for most of 2015 Android won't have an "answer" to the iWatch, just like right now until the iWatch hits Apple doesn't have anything but a promise for an "answer" to Android wear. That is the industry. All the cool stuff Apple does will be ripped off and commoditized within a year. It will happen.

I personally just don't want to wait until 2016 for that perfect iWatch-killing device. I get enough utility from a limited experience today to justify the expense, as long as the expense is not in the iWatch territory (like the LG G Watch R).
 

poofyhairguy

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What made you get the G Watch? Was it the sale over at Cowboom? I've been thinking about picking one up, but the looks of the ZenWatch and the Moto 360 make me hesitant to spend that money when I could be putting it towards a better Android Wear device.

Yup, the Cowboom sale pushed me over. Got a watch that seems brand new for a fraction of one of the top models. The way I see it, EVERY Android wear device has issues:

-G Watch: "ugly" design, kinda crappy screen, no real buttons

-Gear Live: terrible charger (like ruin it all terrible), pretty bad OLED for a screen, worse than average battery life

-Moto 360: has this primitive TI SoC that just screams "I WILL BE THE FIRST OBSOLETE ANDROID WEAR DEVICE!!!" I mean, every other watch has a Qualcomm SoC but this one. It is the Gnex all over again, I simply wouldn't pay twice as much for a watch half as fast I don't care how pretty it is. Also the Moto 360 has that flat tire thing going.

-Zenwatch: water resistant, not waterproof (for someone like me with OCD that is immediate disqualification). Plus it has this very retro design that you either love or hate.

-LG G Watch R: Has a large bezels and markings on that bezel that makes it hard to use with many watch faces. Has the cost of an iWatch with the same basic hardware inside (except for the heart rate monitor) as the plain G Watch. Lacks NFC like Sony's or Apple's watch.

-Sony's watch: expensive for a square design, and is from Sony who no one trusts with a smartwatch yet

The truth is there aren't any CLEAR options. It is about picking your poison.

And let me be clear, at $220 -or whatever they sell the G watch normally for- it is not worth it. But if you are paying full price for ANYTHING in Androidland nowadays you are doing it wrong.
 

dlock13

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Yup, the Cowboom sale pushed me over. Got a watch that seems brand new for a fraction of one of the top models. The way I see it, EVERY Android wear device has issues:

-G Watch: "ugly" design, kinda crappy screen, no real buttons

-Gear Live: terrible charger (like ruin it all terrible), pretty bad OLED for a screen, worse than average battery life

-Moto 360: has this primitive TI SoC that just screams "I WILL BE THE FIRST OBSOLETE ANDROID WEAR DEVICE!!!" I mean, every other watch has a Qualcomm SoC but this one. It is the Gnex all over again, I simply wouldn't pay twice as much for a watch half as fast I don't care how pretty it is. Also the Moto 360 has that flat tire thing going.

-Zenwatch: water resistant, not waterproof (for someone like me with OCD that is immediate disqualification). Plus it has this very retro design that you either love or hate.

-LG G Watch R: Has a large bezels and markings on that bezel that makes it hard to use with many watch faces. Has the cost of an iWatch with the same basic hardware inside (except for the heart rate monitor) as the plain G Watch. Lacks NFC like Sony's or Apple's watch.

-Sony's watch: expensive for a square design, and is from Sony who no one trusts with a smartwatch yet

The truth is there aren't any CLEAR options. It is about picking your poison.

And let me be clear, at $220 -or whatever they sell the G watch normally for- it is not worth it. But if you are paying full price for ANYTHING in Androidland nowadays you are doing it wrong.
You might have actually convinced me to get the G Watch next time it is on sale. I've been waiting for reviews on the ZenWatch, but in all honesty, I'm going to be using this as a notification device and a convenience device.

The 360 was on my list for so long, but you're right about the TI OMAP in there. It makes zero sense to put that in there, and the only thing I could think of was that they had a stockpile from the unsold Moto ACTVs they didn't sell.

The Zenwatch looks... OK at best but is a thousand times better looking than that craptastic G Watch R.

Thanks for pushing me over the edge.
 

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I dunno. I can do all that car stuff with my steering wheel controls- skip playlists, etc. My Nav will display and read texts to me.
 

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Which watch? I want to try it again. Definitely saw the benefits, but I got the Sony smartwatch 2 a while back. Far too immature, both software and hardware wise.

Basically I would describe it as a piece of shit strapped to your wrist. Got water in it during a very light rain. Threw it in the trash.

Gear S looks amazing, but unfortunately is using Samsung bs OS.

The gear S is actually pretty slick. I tried one on at the store for laughs, and was surprised at how comfortable it was. The band and latch are nice, and I thought I'd have a problem with the size but it's actually pretty well designed.

I tried on the Moto 360 and didn't care for it. I know you can get different bands on it, but the stock one was so cheap I was immediately turned off of the whole thing.
 

poofyhairguy

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I dunno. I can do all that car stuff with my steering wheel controls- skip playlists, etc. My Nav will display and read texts to me.

Will your car give you control to ANY music/podcast app on your phone, including the ones that aren't very standard? Will your nav read you the messages from Hangouts, Facebook Messenger, Whatsapps, etc. just as it does text messages? What about other important notifications like reminders, or appointments? Does it read those to you? Can you talk to it to set reminders that then sync to all your devices?

I am not saying a car can't do a lot of this stuff, the problem is almost every car is behind the times. Car companies pat themselves on the back if your car reads a text message or starts a song via music control, but in 2014 (sorry Mr. Carville) "It's the Apps, stupid."

What we need in cars is a setup much like Android wear provides- a simple interface that changes contextually based on the application used but with common controls for similar applications. What cars need is not primitive and basic voice recognition but advanced always connected Google Now-level voice control through LTE. What cars need is a way to upgrade your experience and connectivity options without buying a new car or paying a teenagers at Best Buy to cut into your dash. What cars need is a five year jump forward in time to just gain PARITY to the rest of our technological world.

But that isn't going to happen overnight. The car experience will at best remain so-so in the non-luxury segment for the foreseeable future. If regulation gets in the way (like the push to force "smartcars" to disable the cell phones inside them) then we might never get the car experience we deserve.

Android Wear is here today, and you don't have to buy a new car to get the experience.
 

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But how are you supposed to bring the poweramp controls to your wrist? Fish through a bunch of icons while driving? That sound safe. It would seem that voice control would be better and safer.

When I use smart audio book app, my watch automatically pops up with the forward, play, pause icons. When I get a message it will move to the sms card, and I can swip it away back to the main screen. And that main screen has my audio book player buttons again so I can play/pause/forward. I find it very nifty like the OP...for those long commutes. I use a moto360.
 

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Will your car give you control to ANY music/podcast app on your phone, including the ones that aren't very standard? Will your nav read you the messages from Hangouts, Facebook Messenger, Whatsapps, etc. just as it does text messages? What about other important notifications like reminders, or appointments? Does it read those to you? Can you talk to it to set reminders that then sync to all your devices?

I am not saying a car can't do a lot of this stuff, the problem is almost every car is behind the times. Car companies pat themselves on the back if your car reads a text message or starts a song via music control, but in 2014 (sorry Mr. Carville) "It's the Apps, stupid."

What we need in cars is a setup much like Android wear provides- a simple interface that changes contextually based on the application used but with common controls for similar applications. What cars need is not primitive and basic voice recognition but advanced always connected Google Now-level voice control through LTE. What cars need is a way to upgrade your experience and connectivity options without buying a new car or paying a teenagers at Best Buy to cut into your dash. What cars need is a five year jump forward in time to just gain PARITY to the rest of our technological world.

But that isn't going to happen overnight. The car experience will at best remain so-so in the non-luxury segment for the foreseeable future. If regulation gets in the way (like the push to force "smartcars" to disable the cell phones inside them) then we might never get the car experience we deserve.

Android Wear is here today, and you don't have to buy a new car to get the experience.

No doubt android wear does more than my car. However its the wrong solution for a car. The real solution is to mirror your screen to the car's large touchscreen. This is coming BTW. Let your car voice navigation button activate google now, etc. Android wear is a half-assed approach for auto integration. I'm sure it has its points, but google wear is a short term thing.
 

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No doubt android wear does more than my car. However its the wrong solution for a car. The real solution is to mirror your screen to the car's large touchscreen. This is coming BTW.

Sure its coming, but not for most of Americans. It will take YEARS for this kind of tech to filter into the $30,000 cars most Americans buy. By the time your "average" car has this kind of technology my watch will be projecting holograms on the wall like R2D2.

It is a very slow moving industry, with huge upfront costs. But I can change what is on my wrist every day.
 

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I keep hearing that point over and over, and I COMPLETELY disagree.

I think that complaint comes from "watch people" who already wear a watch all day and want a reason to wear a smarter one. Like people who want Google Glass to look less dorky because they actually wear glasses.

That isn't me. My "timepiece" for a decade+ has been my phone. Before that it was a fugly calculator watch. I LIKE that my smartwatch doesn't look like a regular watch. To me it has partially replaced my smartphone as my "flagship" tech piece- aka the tech I carry around with me that proves that yes I am techy and yes I probably know more about your computer than you do. If people just think its another watch that loses a lot of the appeal to me.

I get it, I get it- the people who already wear watches are the prime early adopters. But I think in order for this segment of tech to really take off it has to give a reason for a NON watch wearer to want to put something on their wrist that wasn't there because it makes their life better. We aren't there yet, but I feel like we might not get that "killer app" if the pressure and priority is on aping a positively ancient part of the fashion world rather than focusing on creating the next great tech experience.

But that is me, the guy who doesn't normally like watches and who thinks fashion is a code word for "industry with way too fat of margins."

We don't necessarily have to imitate the traditional watch world in every respect... however, remember that watches are as much fashion items as they are functional devices. That won't change, and it doesn't have to change. Look at Amazon's watch store: there are watches in the $100-200 range (Citizen, Fossil, Seiko) that make almost every Android Wear watch look like it was put together using Duck Tape. Shouldn't you want a device that you'd be proud to put on your wrist, even if the style is merely in line with what you'd expect from a budget conventional watch?

The key isn't necessarily to dupe what legacy watches do, but to incorporate old-school elements that work (premium materials and attention to detail, for instance) while letting digital things be digital. The key is that it has to look good, however you manage that.



With that said, as my favorite Apple friend pointed out, the iWatch will be $350. My watch wasn't even a third of that. For $350 I would expect a great product, something with a multi-year life. For sub-$200 I don't mind a device that lacks NFC, a better screen, or some other nifty feature. I would rather spend $400 on two devices over three or four years rather than blow it all up front on a device destined to be a dinosaur. In 2016 a sub-$200 Android Wear watch will probably destroy anything on the market including the iWatch. Most will wait for that device, I will rock my G Watch till it get here.

Of course that means that for most of 2015 Android won't have an "answer" to the iWatch, just like right now until the iWatch hits Apple doesn't have anything but a promise for an "answer" to Android wear. That is the industry. All the cool stuff Apple does will be ripped off and commoditized within a year. It will happen.

I personally just don't want to wait until 2016 for that perfect iWatch-killing device. I get enough utility from a limited experience today to justify the expense, as long as the expense is not in the iWatch territory (like the LG G Watch R).

It's up in the air how long any of this gear lasts, mind you, and Apple generally has a solid track record on this front. iPhones and iPads typically have a 3-4 year support lifecycle, for instance. Google's insistence on a mostly stock Android Wear UI is good news for longevity, but we'll have to see how it plays out in practice.

I'd also be hesitant to declare that history will repeat itself here, because the watch market plays into one of Apple's strengths: design quality. Android phones are thriving because of price advantages, but that's also because design doesn't matter as much in that space. It's (mostly) okay if your phone looks like hot garbage so long as it's good at the "phone" part. You can't do that with watches. If your watch looks like an ugly hunk of plastic, it doesn't matter how powerful it is under the hood -- everyone's going to notice the awful design, and you probably won't like the comments you get.

Also, while you can lower the prices of processors and displays through technological progress, it's much harder to do that for nice materials. A stainless steel case will usually cost more than one made from aluminum or plastic. Leather bands will cost more than rubber. There's only so much you can do to undercut Apple, in that regard. You might see a $200 watch that's functionally equivalent, but it probably won't ever look or feel as good. Android Wear is going to have to move upscale if it wants to appeal to the very, very large chunk of the population that cares what watches look like.
 

poofyhairguy

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We don't necessarily have to imitate the traditional watch world in every respect... however, remember that watches are as much fashion items as they are functional devices. That won't change

I think it will change. Think about it: Why are watches fashion items?

I mean, back in the day they had real function- they allowed you to always have a sense of the time and few things are more important for a modern industrial society. Then, somewhere along the way, most people shifted their time keeping job to a cell phone and the watch lost its practical purpose. At that point the watch went from a valued tool in society to being the primary piece of jewelry for men.

I REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE SMARTWATCH FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE!!!

To me, the smartwatch is the revolution. A reason to put a watch back on your wrist BECAUSE IT SERVES A FUNCTION and not because it is some sort of arm candy. That doesn't mean that smartwatches have to look bad, but it does mean that maybe the best form factor isn't something that apes a real watch or only pleases those who currently wear arm jewelry.

My friend has a Moto 360, and honestly a round screen kinda sucks on a smartwatch. Some of that is Android Wear assuming square, but a lot of it is that a screen is showing you text line by line, so the more consistent the lines are in length the more text fits on. Why should a smartwatch be round? What should it be made of fine metals and glass instead of more durable materials like kevlar? The only reason is to placate those watch wearing men who assume that they are the target market for smartwatches.

I'd also be hesitant to declare that history will repeat itself here, because the watch market plays into one of Apple's strengths: design quality.

I completely agree there, and I will be the first to say that Apple will initially have more success in the wearable segment because men who actually wear normal watches will be drawn to their iWatch. But in the big picture the real untapped market is people like me, people who currently aren't wearing a watch because it is not very functional for them.

Android Wear is going to have to move upscale if it wants to appeal to the very, very large chunk of the population that cares what watches look like.

My whole argument is that the "very, very large chunk of the population that cares what watches look like" is actually a smart part of the potential market for a smartwatch.

Studies show that 50% of men don't wear a watch. You get under the age of 35 (aka grew up with a cell phone) and around 75% of people don't wear a watch:

http://today.yougov.com/news/2011/05/05/brother-do-you-have-time/

That means two thirds of the market doesn't care if their watch looks upscale, because they aren't wearing it anyway. To these people if a smartwatch does what the original watch did and gives them a new function, a way their life is better, then it will be a success no matter the form factor. I am excited about this market because I think smartwatches are just the start of compute in common devices changing the world. The real market for Android Wear is all those people who put on a fitness tracker (those look terrible) who don't wear a watch. They want functionality God Bless Them.

I bought this thing expecting to waste my money. I got it just in case someone came up with the next big thing when the iWatch hit in this space, but instead I got a device that has made my everyday commute better.

No way I recommend Android wear to a normal at this point, but I did want to say "hey fellow nerds, it's not that bad." Cause it is downright cool. Maybe one day it will be great.
 
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I remember playing Pac-Man on a classmate's watch in grade school. Can these Android smart-watches do that?
 

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I personally am torn. I loved the Moto 360 for those few short days I had it, Android Wear is awesome and will continue to improve. My only gripe is the old SoC in the Moto 360, but honestly I am willing to tolerate that because in my opinion it is far and away the best looking smartwatch of the bunch.

I also think Apple is going in the wrong direction with their smartwatch. Everything from the wall of apps main screen to the crown dial to me is completely missing the mark. The one and only thing I liked about the Apple Watch was that it had NFC, and I expect gen 2 of Android Wear watches to have that.
 

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I personally am torn. I loved the Moto 360 for those few short days I had it, Android Wear is awesome and will continue to improve. My only gripe is the old SoC in the Moto 360, but honestly I am willing to tolerate that because in my opinion it is far and away the best looking smartwatch of the bunch.

The 360 is still maybe the best one despite the SoC. The bigger screen doesn't hold any more info than my G Watch, as most things are squared off, but it does look better. The whole cute background theme thing wear does jumps out at you on a 360 while it hides behind the card kinda on the G Watch. I also like that the 360 is a LCD like the G Watch. Until we get Note 4 level tech I suspect the brightness level of any OLED. So many reviews complain about the G Watch, but jacked up its fine in the day- better than my S4 ever was!

I honestly don't think the SoC matters from a length of life standpoint, as the 360 will maintain a better resale value than most of these watches. The only reason it bugs me is I like having an always on display, and my friend with the 360 says he can't manage it and get through a long day. But he has way better watchfaces.

I also think Apple is going in the wrong direction with their smartwatch. Everything from the wall of apps main screen to the crown dial to me is completely missing the mark. The one and only thing I liked about the Apple Watch was that it had NFC, and I expect gen 2 of Android Wear watches to have that.

I am excited about it because now the category will exist to some developers. Part of the reason I went with the G Watch over a curved display is the fact the iWatch has one, which should make for those classic copy and paste ports to Android.
 

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My whole argument is that the "very, very large chunk of the population that cares what watches look like" is actually a smart part of the potential market for a smartwatch.

Studies show that 50% of men don't wear a watch. You get under the age of 35 (aka grew up with a cell phone) and around 75% of people don't wear a watch:

http://today.yougov.com/news/2011/05/05/brother-do-you-have-time/

That means two thirds of the market doesn't care if their watch looks upscale, because they aren't wearing it anyway. To these people if a smartwatch does what the original watch did and gives them a new function, a way their life is better, then it will be a success no matter the form factor. I am excited about this market because I think smartwatches are just the start of compute in common devices changing the world. The real market for Android Wear is all those people who put on a fitness tracker (those look terrible) who don't wear a watch. They want functionality God Bless Them.

I bought this thing expecting to waste my money. I got it just in case someone came up with the next big thing when the iWatch hit in this space, but instead I got a device that has made my everyday commute better.

No way I recommend Android wear to a normal at this point, but I did want to say "hey fellow nerds, it's not that bad." Cause it is downright cool. Maybe one day it will be great.

I think there's a logical fallacy here.

Just because most people under 35 don't wear watches doesn't mean they have little regard for appearance. After all, many of these same people care greatly about the clothes and accessories they wear. And the watch, after all, is an accessory. They may not care about it being posh like some of their parents, but nor do they want to apologize for an eyesore on their wrist.

You can see a great example of the problem in Joanna Stern's Android Wear review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v02v1xYR2M

When Joanna's friend tells her that she can't wear an Android Wear watch to the wedding, that's not a joke -- that's a sincere reaction to an ugly, bulky design. As much as you may like to imagine that we'll go to a world where style barely matters at all, it remains absolutely vital.

Heck, the notion that style didn't matter much until a certain point isn't really true. Both pocket watches and early wristwatches were designed with a great amount of care, with ornate casings and elaborate faces. It has always been "arm jewellery" -- it's just that this aspect took on greater importance when quartz watches and cellphones diminished the functional value of mechanical timepieces. Function may be coming back with a vengeance, but the fashion aspect has always been here.
 

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Just because most people under 35 don't wear watches doesn't mean they have little regard for appearance. After all, many of these same people care greatly about the clothes and accessories they wear. And the watch, after all, is an accessory. They may not care about it being posh like some of their parents, but nor do they want to apologize for an eyesore on their wrist.

Agree 100%. But that is the real question: what is an eye-sore? For those who normally wear watches, anything that doesn't look like their old familiar round friend will be considered an eyesore. Meanwhile to others a less watchlike design (say closer to a fitness tracker) might be more appealing.

I don't think that the general design of normal watches, that basically hasn't changed since the 80s (conservative colors, lots of metal, etc.), is some sort of perfect form for a smartwatch. It might be the best form for an old style watch, but if we force this more dynamic category to ape a relatively ancient design we better have good reasons.

You can see a great example of the problem in Joanna Stern's Android Wear review here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v02v1xYR2M

When Joanna's friend tells her that she can't wear an Android Wear watch to the wedding, that's not a joke -- that's a sincere reaction to an ugly, bulky design. As much as you may like to imagine that we'll go to a world where style barely matters at all, it remains absolutely vital.

Honestly I think women are key to my point. I mean, you simply CAN'T make a smartwatch that looks like a traditional women's watch that has ANY function. The screen would be too small, and the face size would force terrible compromises like sticking the battery in the band. She just can't wear Android wear to a wedding, she can't wear any smartwatch. I am sure that fine crafted iWatch will still look huge on a female wrist.

An optimal women's smartwatch can't even be created yet. It would be some braclet that at the touch of a button would pop out some folded OLED screen is that multiple times wider than the bracelet is at its widest point. Or one that projected some sort of holo screen ala R2D2. Basically we need a new screen tech that would allow for a decent sized screen to fit in a smaller space. But any smartwatch that accommodates such a design would look NOTHING like a traditional watch. It would look more like a fitness tracker or bracelet, which the way some people talk about smartwatches would be completely unacceptable.

This is a whole new category, and the optimal form factor hasn't been discovered probably. The fact that we are so desperate to shove this technology into a form that apes my dad's 40 year old watch before we even TRY to explore better possibilities is kinda depressing to me. I don't want anything on my wrist that looks BAD if I can avoid it- no one does. Heck it is looking like I will spend more on watch straps then I spent on this watch trying to class it up with the perfect band. I care, we all care.

That doesn't make current watch wearers the authority on what is acceptable fashion. I just don't care if smartwatches look like the boring old watch that my banker wears, to me that shouldn't be the end goal. The end goal should be to improve our lives as much as possible by having a computer on our wrist. The end goal should be this:



or maybe the same thing but not as wide. It would look nothing like a current watch but still could completely change the world like the smartphone did.
 
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