It is possible that Democrats will gain, not lose in November. Here's why/how.

[pmv]

Given how Trump-endorsed "stolen election" conspiracy theorists seem to be disproportionately losers, I'm curious as to what extent it was that voters explicitly responded to Biden's (accurate, IMO) warning that Trumpist election-deniers represented a future threat to democracy, vs a more generic sense of just feelng they'd not be well-served by having political representatives who appeared to be out-of-their-minds.

Part of me is quietly a little disappointed that the crazies didn't get into office, because I was secretly looking-forward to the drama of an attempted coup next election (and being able to goad liberal American friends by pointing out how high the stakes really are - and thus how their rather complacent liberalism isn't sufficient). I'm not proud of that.

 

[Commodus]

Given how Trump-endorsed "stolen election" conspiracy theorists seem to be disproportionately losers, I'm curious as to what extent it was that voters explicitly responded to Biden's (accurate, IMO) warning that Trumpist election-deniers represented a future threat to democracy, vs a more generic sense of just feelng they'd not be well-served by having political representatives who appeared to be out-of-their-minds.

Part of me is quietly a little disappointed that the crazies didn't get into office, because I was secretly looking-forward to the drama of an attempted coup next election (and being able to goad liberal American friends by pointing out how high the stakes really are - and thus how their rather complacent liberalism isn't sufficient). I'm not proud of that.

Occam's Razor applies, I'd say. As much as I'd like to imagine Americans were responding to the Republicans' desire for permanent one-party rule, the simplest explanation is that pro Trump candidates are often clueless and, frankly, deranged. Election denial is just one of the symptoms.

And while it would've been 'fun' to watch the likes of Oz or Mastriano go off the rails, I'm happy that voters ultimately sent a signal that they don't want Trumpist candiates or rhetoric guiding their politics. And not just because I'd like to see the Dems get back to a point where they can implement more policy — it's because I want to see a viable Republican party that campaigns on 'boring' issues like the economy and foreign relations, not attempts to undo the last 50 years of civil rights progress.

 

[dlerious]

Occam's Razor applies, I'd say. As much as I'd like to imagine Americans were responding to the Republicans' desire for permanent one-party rule, the simplest explanation is that pro Trump candidates are often clueless and, frankly, deranged. Election denial is just one of the symptoms.

And while it would've been 'fun' to watch the likes of Oz or Mastriano go off the rails, I'm happy that voters ultimately sent a signal that they don't want Trumpist candiates or rhetoric guiding their politics. And not just because I'd like to see the Dems get back to a point where they can implement more policy — it's because I want to see a viable Republican party that campaigns on 'boring' issues like the economy and foreign relations, not attempts to undo the last 50 years of civil rights progress.

I saw a story on Wednesday where he was about 50/50 on the races that were called. I don't really follow that stuff, so I'm unsure how many were Kemp type endorsements (i.e. endorsed just days before election).

 

[vi edit]

One thing about the crazies is that they generate sound bites. But that doesn't translate to a ground game. They are coming in without knowing a thing about how to win a campaign. They are just mainlining MAGA and hoping that works.

 

[dlerious]

Updated article on how election deniers fared

How 2020 election deniers did in their 2022 midterm races

Who won and who lost.

www.cnn.com

 

[soundforbjt]

Updated article on how election deniers fared

How 2020 election deniers did in their 2022 midterm races

Who won and who lost.

www.cnn.com

I’ve been waiting for this, thanks for the link.

 

[soundforbjt]

Interesting is that voters were so concerned with keeping democracy that they voted against the SoS election deniers even though they voted republican for the other races. Thank you voters, you give me hope for the future.

 

[sportage]

I haven't heard a peep from my Q's. Silence is golden, as they say.
But I suppose they would say that the democrats winning was only a part of the grand scheme for Trump's return. Spin baby, spin. Q's are so mentally challenged...

If Trump announces on Tuesday, he will get his 24 hours of fame, 72 hours from Fox, but then it will fizzle to a big nothing. This time, people will look around and ask, is there anyone else for us? Surely, there must be someone else?
Trump announcing will expose just how non-important Donald Trump has become. Frankly, I don't think even Trump himself really wants to know how much of a has-been he has become.

Donald Trump is poison. Everything he touches dies. Trump turned law abiding citizens into insurrectionist thus they died. Their careers died. Their freedom died. But, Trump got away. Then we have the many political careers, destroyed by Trump as well. Some, good people yet it didn't matter, Trump killed them off.
Well.... maybe this time Donald Trump will destroy himself by daring to announce a presidential run. This could be Trump putting a gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger, career speaking. Lets hope.

If Donald has one more life left after the nine lives he has already expended, then that tenth life will come only from the news media giving Trump life. It will all depend on how long Trump can keep the media's attention.

 

[Roger Wilco]

GOP Rep Bacon announces he will help elect someone to take on McCarthy for Speaker. Says he will work with Dems for a “moderate” Speaker.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592328227930140674

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592340832698630145

 

[JEDI]

dont understand the comment about liz cheney being speaker of the house.
didnt she lose re-election?

 

[MrPickins]

dont understand the comment about liz cheney being speaker of the house.
didnt she lose re-election?

IIRC, technically, the Speaker doesn't actually have to be a member of the House

 

[esquared]

IIRC, technically, the Speaker doesn't actually have to be a member of the House

Exactly. Which is why some of the half-wit, magarats we're saying they need to make the orange menace, speaker of the house

 

[JEDI]

422 of 435 seats up for election called.

gop needed to gain 5 seats for majority. they currently have +8.
as of today, they have a 4 member majority which gives mccarthy a little breathing room.
lets see if that breathing room holds.

would be interesting if repubs only have a 218-217 majority.
then the repub running again mccarthy for speaker can win with all the dems voting for him

 

[MrPickins]

Exactly. Which is why some of the half-wit, magarats we're saying they need to make the orange menace, speaker of the house

To paraphrase Beau: no please don't shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[Muse]

Exactly. Which is why some of the half-wit, magarats we're saying they need to make the orange menace, speaker of the house

Honestly, I think there would be riots if orange monkey became speaker. The very idea is totally preposterous. Trump doesn't have the brains to even begin to be effective as speaker for his party or anybody.

 

[Muse]

To paraphrase Beau: no please don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Impressive put-on.

 

[vi edit]

Wow. When you think your vote doesn't matter....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592259813601611776

 

[manly]

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422 of 435 seats up for election called.

gop needed to gain 5 seats for majority. they currently have +8.
as of today, they have a 4 member majority which gives mccarthy a little breathing room.
lets see if that breathing room holds.

would be interesting if repubs only have a 218-217 majority.
then the repub running again mccarthy for speaker can win with all the dems voting for him

You're crazy. 220 and 218 are functionally equivalent. Mac doesn't currently have the votes to be elected Speaker, and he may not unless he completely prostrates himself to the Freedumb Caucus.

 

[eelw]

You're crazy. 220 and 218 are functionally equivalent. Mac doesn't currently have the votes to be elected Speaker, and he may not unless he completely prostrates himself to the Freedumb Caucus.

The closer to 218, the easier it’s for the Dems to work with a sane Republican to vote in a competent Speaker of the house. It’s in the power by the Dems to pull out the rug from under the spineless one.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The closer to 218, the easier it’s for the Dems to work with a sane Republican to vote in a competent Speaker of the house. It’s in the power by the Dems to pull out the rug from under the spineless one.

That’s not going to happen. Even the craziest know they can’t allow that to happen.

 

[fskimospy]

The closer to 218, the easier it’s for the Dems to work with a sane Republican to vote in a competent Speaker of the house. It’s in the power by the Dems to pull out the rug from under the spineless one.

Yes, I think the 'Freedom Caucus' will find itself surprisingly powerless here. If I remember right it has ~30 members. Anywhere from like +5 Republican seats or lower I don't know if they have a lot of power because you might find 5 Republicans willing to compromise on a moderate speaker if the FC is shooting for someone super right. I imagine much beyond that up until a 30+seat margin (which they won't have) the FC will have considerable power. Looks a lot more like scenario #1 than #2 right now though.

 

[dlerious]

You're crazy. 220 and 218 are functionally equivalent. Mac doesn't currently have the votes to be elected Speaker, and he may not unless he completely prostrates himself to the Freedumb Caucus.

I guess it's just preliminary, but McCarthy beat out Freedom Caucus member Biggs 188-31 in House Republican caucus.

Kevin McCarthy beats far-right challenger 188-31 to lead House GOP | CNN Politics

The House Republican conference voted for House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy to be its leader after an underwhelming midterm election performance launched a search among conservatives for a challenger.

www.cnn.com

 

[IronWing]

I guess it's just preliminary, but McCarthy beat out Freedom Caucus member Biggs 188-31 in House Republican caucus.

Kevin McCarthy beats far-right challenger 188-31 to lead House GOP | CNN Politics

The House Republican conference voted for House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy to be its leader after an underwhelming midterm election performance launched a search among conservatives for a challenger.

www.cnn.com

Andy just wanted some attention; he's very needy.

 

[Pens1566]

Does he get enough of those 31 on the floor to get 218 though?

 

[IronWing]

Does he get enough of those 31 on the floor to get 218 though?

Dems are not going to support Andy Biggs. Biggs is one of the January 6th seditionists who voted to disenfranchise voters across entire states in order to support Trump's attempted coup.