It makes no sense to buy foreign cars

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WilliamM2

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Even foreign cars made in the USA, like the Camry, still source significantly more parts from overseas than domestic cars IIRC, making them more expensive again, to repair over the long haul.

That's a lie. The Camry has more American content than any other car, period.

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami

None of the "American" cars my family owns are actually built here, they are built in Canada and Mexico. "Buy American", get a Honda or Toyota.
 

Throckmorton

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I don't know... So far my Mustang is harder to work on than my BMW, but then again that BMW was 10 years older.
 

pauldun170

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I remember this thread from 1997, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2010 and 2012.

It has appeared in different forums and the wording is abit different but its always the same thing.
 

WilliamM2

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Never had to do any work to our Toyota's, don't know how hard they are to work on. Never needed anything but brakes and tires on my 14 year old Mazda either, too bad it rusted away to the point of needing replacement, rear doors leaking water from the holes in the metal that started at only 6 years old, and spread all the way to the door seals.
 

Yamada

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When I was going to uni I had a '97 Ford Taurus. I did some work on it and, for a beater, it was one of the best cars I ever had. I think the most expensive thing I bought for it was a torque converter. It just ran good and survived the months it was parked when I left Indiana.

As far as "domestic" brands go, I can't really complain about Ford.
 

mmntech

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I'm far from being an automotive expert but I did have the luxury of driving a lot of different foreign and domestic cars over the three years I worked as a car jockey at a rental company.

In terms of the big three here's what I've taken away with.

Ford: Their current line of cars are solid and reliable as any Japanese car. Their trucks (including SUVs) on the other hand still have issues, but are improving. Most of Ford's current domestic line are in fact European cars. They just put bigger engines in them for the North American market.

GM: Their line of trucks such as the Silverado and Savana are rock solid vehicles. Virtually indestructible. Their cars however still have a lot of quality issues that date back over a decade. GM likes to use a lot of cheap material to cut costs and their cars show it. The Cruze/Cobalt/Cavalier still has that lower control arm issue apparently. Malibus never stay in tune.

Chrysler still has major quality issues across the board with their vehicles. They're unreliable and often require costly repairs. Transmissions still being the biggest problem. I'd hesitate to call them a domestic automaker anymore since Fiat SpA has majority ownership. The advantage here is that Fiat has a strong automotive pedigree to tap into, such as Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, and Lancia. The Multiair is a solid engine and 500s are flying off the lot. Fiat has started to shed its "Fix it again Tony" reputation, and that will help Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep a lot. Maybe they'll start actually making cars people want to buy. They would have gone out of business ages ago if it hadn't been for the Caravan.

Japanese cars I find to be pretty consistent quality wise across the board. They're solid built with no major issues. Toyota had a bad patch a couple years ago, but the media blew it way out of proportion.

Korean car makers Kia and Hyundai have improved quality dramatically over the years. Hyundai is as good as the Japanese automakers now. Kias still have their quirks but are getting better.

For German cars, Mercedes and BMW are both solid performers. Volkswagen on the other hand has a lot of mechanical issues. It's a popular pass time for car guys to pick on VW but it's not wholly undeserved. VW and Audi are notorious for electrical problems.

I can't really comment on the French, Indian, or Chinese automakers since the don't sell in North America. Citroen and Renault seem to be doing some interesting things but I can't speak about their quality.
 

Vic Vega

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The lines between foreign cars and domestic cars have been blurring for 20 years.

I just bought a Buick GS which is an American brand. The car has an American designed and built engine, the chassis, suspension, interior and body are from Germany, the transmission is from the UK (or so I have been told). Final assembly is done in the US.

Now, is that an American car? An almost identical car is sold in Germany. Another almost identical car is sold in the UK. Both with different brands. Is it a German car? Is it a UK car?
 

tracerbullet

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It's sorta been said but there is no such thing as domestic vs. foreign any more. The Ford Edge and the Chevy Camaro come from Canada. The Fusion comes from Mexico. Meanwhile the Hyundai Sonata and Toyota Camry are assembled in the US. Regardless of where things are assembled, engines and transmissions for all companies come from all over the place. Fiat owns the majority share of Chrysler.

WTF does domestic even mean anymore? Nothing.
 

Vic Vega

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Really good 60 Minutes piece on Chrysler.

mmntech's assessment of Chrysler was true in 1990 but it hasn't been that way in a while. Sounds like he's just regurgitating what other people say online.

http://youtu.be/8kS-rYlLlFM
 

Leyawiin

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Generalizations are impossible. Its true that reliability of most makes/models has gotten closer with each other with modern, standardized manufacturing processes and third party parts and supplies. As far as the cost of the vehicle and repair costs your local dealer or mechanic has a lot of wiggle room in what they charge you. Anyway, warranties are so long and complete now for many makes the repair part doesn't factor in much until you're probably considering selling or trading the car in for a new one.

Basically, buy what you like or what you can get the best deal on. It can come from anywhere.
 

madoka

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1. Domestic carmakers have closed the quality gap that existed in the 1990's, and so now they're as-good as foreign cars.

I've been reading car magazines for about 30 years now. Seems every year this claim is made. I suspect that 10, 20 years from now, people will still be making this claim.
 

phucheneh

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Troll troll troll your boat....obviously...up the...car forum...

IMO the 'domesticating' of foreign cars, Japanese in particular, has done nothing but hurt them. I think we are to Japan what Mexico is to us...
 

HeXen

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I love Honda. Never had to take one in for repair, features fit my needs...etc. This is why so many car companies and models exist, to cater more to individuals, not groups
 

cyclistca

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The lines between foreign cars and domestic cars have been blurring for 20 years.

I just bought a Buick GS which is an American brand. The car has an American designed and built engine, the chassis, suspension, interior and body are from Germany, the transmission is from the UK (or so I have been told). Final assembly is done in the US.


THE GS is built in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Regal
 

desura

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I've been reading car magazines for about 30 years now. Seems every year this claim is made. I suspect that 10, 20 years from now, people will still be making this claim.

Any reports to read on the subject?
 

exdeath

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It makes perfect sense to buy whatever you want.

Why would you buy apples if you love oranges and bananas?
 

desura

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It makes perfect sense to buy whatever you want.

Why would you buy apples if you love oranges and bananas?

Eh, historically Japanese cars have been boring but reliable, while American cars had creative designs but had problems. Case in point: PT Cruiser.

But over the past few years I've gotten the impression that American automakers have seriously gotten their act together.
 

Zenmervolt

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Eh, historically Japanese cars have been boring but reliable, while American cars had creative designs but had problems. Case in point: PT Cruiser.

The PT Cruiser was a hideously ugly lump that drove like a canoe full of water on stilts.

If by "creative" you mean "cartoonishly overdone veneer atop a wholly uninspired chassis" then I suppose, but the PT Cruiser was never even remotely close to being a good vehicle. There was no innovation in the vehicle at all; it was empty, synthetic style. And that's not even mentioning the absolutely abysmal crash test ratings...

You could hardly have chosen a worse vehicle to use as an example of something "creative."

ZV
 

KDKPSJ

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Sure, enjoy your American brand car made in Mexico. I will enjoy Japanese or German brand car made in US.
 

HeXen

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Mine was made in Japan. I enjoy
Where it's made however isn't always relevant, it's the workers and management. I know some factory workers and what goes on in the US, not impressed with over paid coke heads making my car parts.
 

manimal

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Really good 60 Minutes piece on Chrysler.

mmntech's assessment of Chrysler was true in 1990 but it hasn't been that way in a while. Sounds like he's just regurgitating what other people say online.

http://youtu.be/8kS-rYlLlFM

I wish it was. Saw a 08 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon at 35k miles was falling apart. Never once off roaded. While your generally right among the american auto mfgs they are last in perceived quality.
 
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