It seems like AMD is getting crushed...

[Padishah]

Time for a quick economics lesson. Even if AMD went out of business, prices would not "skyrocket" for Intel processors.

Enter our friend Supply and Demand. If Intel cranked up the prices, then there would be a large surplus of Intel processors, and many consumers would be rationed out of the market by the high price. It doesn't make economic sense for Intel to drive prices up. Suppose that Intel does crank up prices. How will that affect the consumers? Probably a longer lifespan for their computers, so they don't have to buy the expensive processors as often. This lowers demand, which forces prices down, as well as quantity. Ultimately Intel loses if they drive prices up.

Also consider this - Intel may not want AMD to go out of business. Sure, they'd gain loads of market share, but then it would be very easy to accuse Intel of being a monopoly, and then ****** goes to hell for them.

All this talk of "what ifs" needs to stop. In the long run, nothing will change in the business world for Intel and AMD.

 

[CowboyTA]

Originally posted by: Viditor
3. The K8L (on PAPER) should have a core that is equal to Core2Duo, but the addition of HT and the on-die mem controller should put them back in front for performance.

How is HT and the on-die memory controller going to matter in the desktop space and the 1P and 2P server space? The K8 was never bandwidth-starved, as memory bandwidth tests have clearly shown. Any advantage that K8L may have over Conroe/Woodcrest will be core-related.. not HT/memory controller related.

 

[OBCT]

Originally posted by: Padishah
Time for a quick economics lesson. Even if AMD went out of business, prices would not "skyrocket" for Intel processors.

Enter our friend Supply and Demand. If Intel cranked up the prices, then there would be a large surplus of Intel processors, and many consumers would be rationed out of the market by the high price. It doesn't make economic sense for Intel to drive prices up. Suppose that Intel does crank up prices. How will that affect the consumers? Probably a longer lifespan for their computers, so they don't have to buy the expensive processors as often. This lowers demand, which forces prices down, as well as quantity. Ultimately Intel loses if they drive prices up.

Also consider this - Intel may not want AMD to go out of business. Sure, they'd gain loads of market share, but then it would be very easy to accuse Intel of being a monopoly, and then ****** goes to hell for them.

All this talk of "what ifs" needs to stop. In the long run, nothing will change in the business world for Intel and AMD.

This was me, for some reason I was logged in as...Padishah? Who the heck?

 

[zsdersw]

How is HT and the on-die memory controller going to matter in the desktop space and the 1P and 2P server space? The K8 was never bandwidth-starved, as memory bandwidth tests have clearly shown. Any advantage that K8L may have over Conroe/Woodcrest will be core-related.. not HT/memory controller related.

Actually, that was supposed to be MY post. I don't know what happened.. I opened my Anandtech page, posted this comment, and it says "CowboyTA" posted it. I have no idea who that is.. nor have I ever been logged into this site as anything other than zsdersw. Pretty weird....

 

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by: CowboyTA

Originally posted by: Viditor
3. The K8L (on PAPER) should have a core that is equal to Core2Duo, but the addition of HT and the on-die mem controller should put them back in front for performance.

How is HT and the on-die memory controller going to matter in the desktop space and the 1P and 2P server space? The K8 was never bandwidth-starved, as memory bandwidth tests have clearly shown. Any advantage that K8L may have over Conroe/Woodcrest will be core-related.. not HT/memory controller related.

It gives the K8L much lower latency (which is the most important metric for AMD), so it should give the K8L a distinct advantage.

Edit: WTF? same problem here...my post came up as amnesiac's...

AT Staff please make note of the problem!

 

[amnesiac]

amnesiac = viditor above...
and here of course...

 

[JC]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: Cheex
Kinda off topic but...What does "QFT" mean?

"Quoted For Truth"

Actually, QFT=Postcount++


Now THAT'S truth.

 

[Chocofurby]

Wow, what's up with the forums?
ROFL...this is Avalon here.

Oh this is awesome, I am Chocofurby!

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Chocofurby
Wow, what's up with the forums?
ROFL...this is Avalon here.

Oh this is awesome, I am Chocofurby!

Rofl.
Anyone having this problem logout, and log back in as your real self.

 

[sumyungai]

Originally posted by: Padishah
Time for a quick economics lesson. Even if AMD went out of business, prices would not "skyrocket" for Intel processors.

Enter our friend Supply and Demand. If Intel cranked up the prices, then there would be a large surplus of Intel processors, and many consumers would be rationed out of the market by the high price. It doesn't make economic sense for Intel to drive prices up. Suppose that Intel does crank up prices. How will that affect the consumers? Probably a longer lifespan for their computers, so they don't have to buy the expensive processors as often. This lowers demand, which forces prices down, as well as quantity. Ultimately Intel loses if they drive prices up.

Also consider this - Intel may not want AMD to go out of business. Sure, they'd gain loads of market share, but then it would be very easy to accuse Intel of being a monopoly, and then ****** goes to hell for them.

All this talk of "what ifs" needs to stop. In the long run, nothing will change in the business world for Intel and AMD.

If intel was the only supplier of processors then demand for their processors would go up. As a result from the economics lesson, prices will go up.

 

[Kilgor]

This has been going on sence the 286 days... http://www.cpupages.com/store/index.php?category=124&ctg_name=286

I don't see AMD going anywere, if anything I see them staying pace or going back on top. They are not as big but have always gave a good fight. And yes I have 2 AMD systems, 1 Intell system and 1 intell laptop. Go figure I buy the most bang for the buck

 

[7of9]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: tbike06

Originally posted by: Frackal
I'm glad AMD got their ass handed to them. I am still pissed about the prices they charged for X2s when they first came out and they couldn't overclock for sh*t either. Not that I want to see AMD gone, but my Conroe experience has been 10000x better than my X2 experience was

Tons of people had great overclocks.....

Not really. I got mine to 2.6-2.7 (4400+) and that was with the Big Typhoon cooler. Many people were hitting 2.5-2.6. That's not that great. 3.0ghz would have been decent, and still not remotely close to what the C2D can do.

So you're pissed off your X2-4400+ doesn't run at a frequency higher than its rated frequency? I know the Core2's are good overclockers (however, people buying E6300's should not be deluded into thinking they are getting a gauranteed 3Ghz chip), but geez, you should not expect anything more than its rated frequency. If you want it gauranteed to run at a higher frequency, then go buy that higher frequency.

I remember some guy back then getting pissed off that his 1.6a Northwood wouldn't overclock to 2.4 stably, and people were like... wtf?

 

[dexvx]

Wow wtf, that was my post, BTW.

Wow registered 12/19/1999 and 4 posts.

 

[*kjm]

x

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Kilgor
This has been going on sence the 286 days... http://www.cpupages.com/store/index.php?category=124&ctg_name=286

I don't see AMD going anywere, if anything I see them staying pace or going back on top. They are not as big but have always gave a good fight. And yes I have 2 AMD systems, 1 Intell system and 1 intell laptop. Go figure I buy the most bang for the buck

Wrong name but at least my ave was right


I lost posts to my real count

 

[HipnoticTranz]

AMD will be broke in 6 months. :thumbsup:

 

[*kjm]

Glad I have two Intell systems

 

[lopri]

How many more threads with regard to Doomsday for AMD do we need? Seriously.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: lopri
How many more threads with regard to Doomsday for AMD do we need? Seriously.

I agree I?ve been in the game since 86.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: *kjm

Originally posted by: lopri
How many more threads with regard to Doomsday for AMD do we need? Seriously.

I agree I?ve been in the game since 86.

most of the people who are posting "oh noes AMD is going to die" were to young to post on AT when the AMD K6 series chips were getting their asses handed to them by P2's and early P3's....back then it look like all doom and gloom for AMD as well, I predict that in the next 18 months or so Intel won't be holding on to the performance crown any more and we will be seeing constant "oh noes Intel's going to die" threads....it's pretty much happens in 18 month cycles.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: *kjm

Originally posted by: lopri
How many more threads with regard to Doomsday for AMD do we need? Seriously.

I agree I?ve been in the game since 86.

most of the people who are posting "oh noes AMD is going to die" were to young to post on AT when the AMD K6 series chips were getting their asses handed to them by P2's and early P3's....back then it look like all doom and gloom for AMD as well, I predict that in the next 18 months or so Intel won't be holding on to the performance crown any more and we will be seeing constant "oh noes Intel's going to die" threads....it's pretty much happens in 18 month cycles.

I had a K6-2, I call it the "poor kid's chip" since that was all I could afford then. Wanted a P3 but it was too expensive. Right now isn't the first time AMD was trumped by intel, but I don't think that the P4 will be the last time that AMD trumped intel. AMD will make a comeback, then intel, etc etc etc.....

Dang I wish any more of these "doomsday for AMD" threads would get locked. They are pointless and get nowhere.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: *kjm

Originally posted by: lopri
How many more threads with regard to Doomsday for AMD do we need? Seriously.

I agree I?ve been in the game since 86.

most of the people who are posting "oh noes AMD is going to die" were to young to post on AT when the AMD K6 series chips were getting their asses handed to them by P2's and early P3's....back then it look like all doom and gloom for AMD as well, I predict that in the next 18 months or so Intel won't be holding on to the performance crown any more and we will be seeing constant "oh noes Intel's going to die" threads....it's pretty much happens in 18 month cycles.

You?re right, like I said I?ve been in it to long and mater of fact posted here when there were single line forums and Anands (spelling?) dad bought his first motherboards for him to review. I was already building systems then and his input was valuable to me? saved me from making some mistakes

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: *kjm

Originally posted by: lopri
How many more threads with regard to Doomsday for AMD do we need? Seriously.

I agree I?ve been in the game since 86.

most of the people who are posting "oh noes AMD is going to die" were to young to post on AT when the AMD K6 series chips were getting their asses handed to them by P2's and early P3's....back then it look like all doom and gloom for AMD as well, I predict that in the next 18 months or so Intel won't be holding on to the performance crown any more and we will be seeing constant "oh noes Intel's going to die" threads....it's pretty much happens in 18 month cycles.

I had a K6-2, I call it the "poor kid's chip" since that was all I could afford then. Wanted a P3 but it was too expensive. Right now isn't the first time AMD was trumped by intel, but I don't think that the P4 will be the last time that AMD trumped intel. AMD will make a comeback, then intel, etc etc etc.....

Dang I wish any more of these "doomsday for AMD" threads would get locked. They are pointless and get nowhere.

I own several of them as well as the rarer k6-2+ 550 and a k6-3+ 550....I never thought they were bad cpu's, my k6-3+ was always competitive with many of my friends P3's back in late 99.

 

[JPH1121]

Originally posted by: CowboyTA

Originally posted by: Viditor
3. The K8L (on PAPER) should have a core that is equal to Core2Duo, but the addition of HT and the on-die mem controller should put them back in front for performance.

How is HT and the on-die memory controller going to matter in the desktop space and the 1P and 2P server space? The K8 was never bandwidth-starved, as memory bandwidth tests have clearly shown. Any advantage that K8L may have over Conroe/Woodcrest will be core-related.. not HT/memory controller related.

You know the reason they don't have memory bandwidth problems is because HT+IMC gives them more than enough right...? It's not that they don't like a lot of bandwidth, it's just that BECAUSE they have so much, increasing it more doesn't help a lot...

 

[OhioState]

Im a huge amd homer that just built a conroe system.

but here is a point i havent seen often. amd seems to dominate the low end for example wal-marts computers are mostly amd. Im betting that low end ma and pa want a computer to surf the net is a big hunk of $$$

everyone likes to discuss the merits of X2-VS-C2D but can we agree that semperon totally pwns cerleron >?