It sucks being a girl

[alkemyst]

I really don't think this is true providing the woman has supermodel looks. Basically she can find a guy that's perfect for her and willing to buy her anything. Vice versa it usually doesn't play out the same...rich women will find model guys but not be looking to make them permanent fixtures.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JEDI
ding ding ding! winnar!

a woman's worth is her beauty
but it's also the source of her power
they also programed to be mothers.

there's where the conflict lies. having a baby wrecks a girls body.

Not necessarily...Not necessarily at all...

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Women have it easier because of their lowered expectations. All a woman is expected to do is cook, clean, look pretty and make babies.

However, on the flipside, because the expectations are so low, when a woman isn't able to meet such low demands, it weighs even more heavily on her psyche. That's why all women are crazy.

Umm, no. Most women today are expected to maintain full-time jobs while still doing the majority of the housework and childcare.

That's pretty much bullshit. Women are held to a lower standard but expect equality. You're in denial if you don't think this is true.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: GrumpyMan
Ugly, short or overweight men and women have it tougher than those that are not. That's just the way it is. But I have seen those short comings defeated by both sexes. Your attitude and the way you carry yourself is really the bottom line with people when you meet them.

Women are valued more for their appearance than men, which makes it realtively harder for non-conventionally attractive women to achieve professional success.

Look at TV personalities; there are tons of ugly guys, but most women are attractive. Women who are not so conventionally attractive, like Hillary Clinton, are constantly attacked for their appearance. Women who are conventionally attractive are assumed to be stupid.

Women's appearances are much more scrutinized than men. It is sexism, pure and simple.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Women have it easier because of their lowered expectations. All a woman is expected to do is cook, clean, look pretty and make babies.

However, on the flipside, because the expectations are so low, when a woman isn't able to meet such low demands, it weighs even more heavily on her psyche. That's why all women are crazy.

Umm, no. Most women today are expected to maintain full-time jobs while still doing the majority of the housework and childcare.

That's pretty much bullshit. Women are held to a lower standard but expect equality. You're in denial if you don't think this is true.

yeah, but different women have vastly different ideas about women rights/equality too

I am just saying

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: JEDI
ding ding ding! winnar!

a woman's worth is her beauty
but it's also the source of her power
they also programed to be mothers.

there's where the conflict lies. having a baby wrecks a girls body.

Not necessarily...Not necessarily at all...

QFT, dude do you think a woman with a lot of partners gets 'ragged out' too?

 

[TehMac]

I have seen some very hot moms. I'll just say that.

VERY HOT.

 

[Tiamat]

it is a compromise. You deal with certain problems, but you also have certain advantages*. If you choose not to use those advantages or are incapable of using those advantages, then yeah, you are gonna have it rough.


* relating to charm, simply being a female (in an otherwise male-dominated environment, etc.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: MoPHo
I agree that men do have it easier. However, i did fall in love with a feminist so my views may be slightly obscured.

A friend of mine dated a feminist for a while. He came out of it with this opinion:

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/4145.jpg

 

[BudAshes]

just be thankful its not like the old days where once you hit puberty you just pumped out kid after kid until you died in child birth.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Injury

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul
Women have it easier because of their lowered expectations. All a woman is expected to do is cook, clean, look pretty and make babies.

However, on the flipside, because the expectations are so low, when a woman isn't able to meet such low demands, it weighs even more heavily on her psyche. That's why all women are crazy.

Umm, no. Most women today are expected to maintain full-time jobs while still doing the majority of the housework and childcare.

That's pretty much bullshit. Women are held to a lower standard but expect equality. You're in denial if you don't think this is true.

Women's lib has gotten women into the workforce, but has not had an equivalent shift in housekeeping and childcaring roles. This is a fact. Maybe this hasn't reached Southern Ohio yet, though.

Women are not held to a lower standard; they have better high school and college GPAs than us, and most women do not want to be held to a lower standard. Women are held back not by intelligence or themselves, but because of sexism. Grocery stores have many women employees, but have a majority of male bosses. School teachers are overwhelmingly female but deans and principles are mostly male. This is no coincidence.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: MoPHo
I agree that men do have it easier. However, i did fall in love with a feminist so my views may be slightly obscured.

A friend of mine dated a feminist for a while. He came out of it with this opinion:

http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/4145.jpg

Feminism exists because of sexists like you.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: n yusef
Women's lib has gotten women into the workforce, but has not had an equivalent shift in housekeeping and childcaring roles. This is a fact. Maybe this hasn't reached Southern Ohio yet, though.

Women are not held to a lower standard; they have better high school and college GPAs than us, and most women do not want to be held to a lower standard. Women are held back not by intelligence or themselves, but because of sexism. Grocery stores have many women employees, but have a majority of male bosses. School teachers are overwhelmingly female but deans and principles are mostly male. This is no coincidence.

A lot of that is because of what women choose and what men choose, not sexism.

Elementary education is dominated by women because few men want to teach at those grade levels. Men who want to enter education typically either teach at Jr High or High Schools or follow the management (principle) route.

Same with grocery stores. Many of the women who work there left the work force to raise children, or are happy doing their lower paying jobs because someone else is helping to foot the bill at home. Men don't have that luxury. We are expected to be the main income earners and thus men tend to head towards the higher paying jobs.

And the double standard works both ways.
If you go to Publix today and the cashier is a 40 year old women has been doing that job for 10 years you think nothing of it. But if it was a 40 year guy who has been doing that job for 10 years you think 'what a loser'

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: queenrobot
You don't have to deal with near as many problems as us women have to deal with. If you are a dude and think that I should feel differently please leave me a comment as to why.

Whatever. *Squisher turns his back to you and quietly sulks.*

 

[ProfJohn]

Pic that explains everything you need to know about men and women
link

 

[ballmode]

you are the girl on the left in your pic, and if you want to talk about issues, send me a PM

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: n yusef
Women's lib has gotten women into the workforce, but has not had an equivalent shift in housekeeping and childcaring roles. This is a fact. Maybe this hasn't reached Southern Ohio yet, though.

Women are not held to a lower standard; they have better high school and college GPAs than us, and most women do not want to be held to a lower standard. Women are held back not by intelligence or themselves, but because of sexism. Grocery stores have many women employees, but have a majority of male bosses. School teachers are overwhelmingly female but deans and principles are mostly male. This is no coincidence.

A lot of that is because of what women choose and what men choose, not sexism.

Elementary education is dominated by women because few men want to teach at those grade levels. Men who want to enter education typically either teach at Jr High or High Schools or follow the management (principle) route.

Same with grocery stores. Many of the women who work their left the work force to raise children, or are happy doing their lower paying jobs because someone else is helping to foot the bill at home. Men don't have that luxury. We are expected to be the main income earners and thus men tend to head towards the higher paying jobs.

And the double standard works both ways.
If you go to Publix today and the cashier is a 40 year old women has been doing that job for 10 years you think nothing of it. But if it was a 40 year guy who has been doing that job for 10 years you think 'what a loser'

Most store managers are promoted from within the store. Consistently, men are selected above women for managerial positions. This is common in teaching as well. Male teachers are promoted to administrative positions ahead of women for no legitimate reasons.

Finally, women do not have as much choice as you imagine. Society assumes that they will take on housekeeping and childcare roles, even when both partners have equal work responsibilities. It is assumed that women will quit their jobs and take care of kids, and men are discouraged for taking any time off to take care of their kids. There is a definite double standard.

 

[SandEagle]

um, how hard is it to really stay home and make sammiches? the man must constantly endure long hours at work and constant nagging at home. u have nothing to complain about (unless, of course, you are a fattie.. then refer to theflyingpig's comment).

i kid, i kid

 

[Q]

lol

 

[roid450]

big girls need loving too. Op is hot, or whichever of those 2 girls she is :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: queenrobot
You don't have to deal with near as many problems as us women have to deal with. If you are a dude and think that I should feel differently please leave me a comment as to why.

Needs citation.

I think men or women have it about equal. In a modern society, both undergo basically the same pressures. Though there is still more pressure on men to be the smart or successful ones, whereas ambition for some reason is not considered as high of a trait in women.

Women have the whole child-bearing thing that men don't have to worry about in the same way.

Women can 'get a guy' (relationship or one night stand) way easier than the reverse. However, most women are passive aggressive at best, which probably makes it seem much harder to them. Men are sharks, women need to be too. (for life in general, not just relationships) Confidence (false or real) and aggressiveness win out 90% of the time.

As far as appearances go, I'd call it a tie. Women have to worry about make-up and boob size, men have to put way more time effort into exercising to get an attractive body and can't use makeup if they weren't born handsome.

Not all men or women have it equally...well easy. If you're looking at a few examples and thinking ("man... he/she has it easy") you're trivializing the gender and people in general.

Finally, women do not have as much choice as you imagine. Society assumes that they will take on housekeeping and childcare roles, even when both partners have equal work responsibilities. It is assumed that women will quit their jobs and take care of kids, and men are discouraged for taking any time off to take care of their kids. There is a definite double standard.

Not much of a believer in self-determination huh? Maybe you're right, women are helpless against the overwhelming tide of expectations built up in our society and can do nothing more than conform or be swept away.

 

[Gooberlx2]

With the notable exceptions of periods, childbirth and the other baggage of that type, I think most of the problems women have today is drama they bring unto themselves. Particularly when dealing with other women.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Didn't read the whole thread, but here is my take:

It sucks for women because of the sexism that still exists - old boys' networks, glass ceiling, etc. I am all for supporting improvements to the system because when given the chance, women can be very successful. For example, in many degree programs, women achieve higher average grades than men.

I guess you're referring to things like periods and societal expectations to look attractive and all the work that entails. No doubt that sucks, but I've dated girls that look very good natural or with minimal makeup. I think it is possible to be with someone who finds you naturally attractive.

Sucks to be a young guy though. Hard to get women unless you're extraordinarily cocky and fun-loving, as you don't have a lot of value otherwise. Guys are full of testosterone and make a lot of impulsive, short-sighted, reactionary decisions. I often think the world would be a more peaceful place if more women were in control.

Oh yea, and because men tend to be so hard-driving and aggressive, we almost always die sooner than women. We should learn to slow down a bit sometimes and just enjoy life.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Riceninja
thinking that all black men like big chicks is racist.

Well, they usually like ugly, fat white chicks.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: queenrobot
You don't have to deal with near as many problems as us women have to deal with. If you are a dude and think that I should feel differently please leave me a comment as to why.

Needs citation.

I think men or women have it about equal. In a modern society, both undergo basically the same pressures. Though there is still more pressure on men to be the smart or successful ones, whereas ambition for some reason is not considered as high of a trait in women.

Women have the whole child-bearing thing that men don't have to worry about in the same way.

Women can 'get a guy' (relationship or one night stand) way easier than the reverse. However, most women are passive aggressive at best, which probably makes it seem much harder to them. Men are sharks, women need to be too. (for life in general, not just relationships) Confidence (false or real) and aggressiveness win out 90% of the time.

As far as appearances go, I'd call it a tie. Women have to worry about make-up and boob size, men have to put way more time effort into exercising to get an attractive body and can't use makeup if they weren't born handsome.

Not all men or women have it equally...well easy. If you're looking at a few examples and thinking ("man... he/she has it easy") you're trivializing the gender and people in general.

Gendered expectations are oppressive. They are not a "tie." The traditional female identity of wife and mother is oppressive. It creates dependency on men, which enables abuse and further oppression. Conventionally attractive women may have some advantages in the dating world...until they age. Non-conventionally attractive women are never conferred these privileges. In a society where women are objectified, and valued almost solely on their appearance, to say that the genders are at a "tie" is just silly.

Finally, women do not have as much choice as you imagine. Society assumes that they will take on housekeeping and childcare roles, even when both partners have equal work responsibilities. It is assumed that women will quit their jobs and take care of kids, and men are discouraged for taking any time off to take care of their kids. There is a definite double standard.

Not much of a believer in self-determination huh? Maybe you're right, women are helpless against the overwhelming tide of expectations built up in our society and can do nothing more than conform or be swept away.

I did not say that. I said that society assumes certain behavior. If people, women and men, are raised with the expectation that women will quit her job, regardless of how much she likes it or how much she's making, to raise children, then most people will live like this. I'm not saying that women are helpless against societal expectations. I'm saying that everyone, women and men, are victims of social conditioning. Some people, women and men, will have egalitarian relationships and lifestyles, but they are going against society, and not everyone is informed enough, capable or willing to do that.

Childcare is definitely a female burden, and this unequal burden prevents social progress. Active fatherhood needs to be embraced and supported.