It sucks being a girl

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Riceninja
thinking that all black men like big chicks is racist.

Well, they usually like ugly, fat chicks.

:roll: Because you're the authority on black men.

There are some black men who like large women, just like there are white men who like large women, and women who like large men, and women who like large women, and men who like men, etc.

First, no one is attracted to ugly people. Attraction is subjective; if you are attracted to someone then she isn't ugly. Second, "usually" implies a majority; the majority of black men do not like "fat" women. "Thick" or "curvy" women, with thin waists and large behinds are generally preferred. These women are not "fat," they are normal sized.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: queenrobot
You don't have to deal with near as many problems as us women have to deal with. If you are a dude and think that I should feel differently please leave me a comment as to why.

I would argue that we just have different problems. I would agree that women are more *emotional*, and thus they *feel* like they have far more problems, but really it's just their biological wiring to care about things messing with them. Men are more likely to just say "eat the children...we can have more".

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: n yusef
I did not say that. I said that society assumes certain behavior. If people, women and men, are raised with the expectation that women will quit her job, regardless of how much she likes it or how much she's making, to raise children, then most people will live like this. I'm not saying that women are helpless against societal expectations. I'm saying that everyone, women and men, are victims of social conditioning. Some people, women and men, will have egalitarian relationships and lifestyles, but they are going against society, and not everyone is informed enough, capable or willing to do that.

Childcare is definitely a female burden, and this unequal burden prevents social progress. Active fatherhood needs to be embraced and supported.

From my own anecdotal experience (so yeah, it means nothing really), your viewpoints are "aged" in that they were more relevant in past generations. Howeverm stats still support them because the stats themselves are outdated don't reflect current conditions.

I know not one childless couple under 40 where both aren't income earners. I know several couples where the decision to whom the stay-at-home caregiver was based on current income and prospects for career advancement, rather than societal expectations. And the decision for a stay-at-home role at all is almost always based on the fact that it's cheaper, in many instances, than paying for daycare.

I think young couples are generally finding that it isn't economically feasible to support societal norms of generations past. Our dollar doesn't buy us as much as it use to, requiring almost everyone to work. By themselves, I think these "forced" changes have ushered a substantial trend towards more complete equality, not to mention any conscious efforts made by members of society in general.

As older generations retire and/or die, we'll see that this change really has made its way in to widespread societal acceptance, as far as the lower and middle classes are concerned.

 

[BoomerD]

Yeah, that whole "Multiple orgasm" thing has to suck...:roll:

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Gooberlx2

Originally posted by: n yusef
I did not say that. I said that society assumes certain behavior. If people, women and men, are raised with the expectation that women will quit her job, regardless of how much she likes it or how much she's making, to raise children, then most people will live like this. I'm not saying that women are helpless against societal expectations. I'm saying that everyone, women and men, are victims of social conditioning. Some people, women and men, will have egalitarian relationships and lifestyles, but they are going against society, and not everyone is informed enough, capable or willing to do that.

Childcare is definitely a female burden, and this unequal burden prevents social progress. Active fatherhood needs to be embraced and supported.

From my own anecdotal experience (so yeah, it means nothing really), your viewpoints are "aged" in that they were more relevant in past generations. Howeverm stats still support them because the stats themselves are outdated don't reflect current conditions.

I know not one childless couple under 40 where both aren't income earners. I know several couples where the decision to whom the stay-at-home caregiver was based on current income and prospects for career advancement, rather than societal expectations. And the decision for a stay-at-home role at all is almost always based on the fact that it's cheaper, in many instances, than paying for daycare.

I think young couples are generally finding that it isn't economically feasible to support societal norms of generations past. Our dollar doesn't buy us as much as it use to, requiring almost everyone to work. By themselves, I think these "forced" changes have ushered a substantial trend towards more complete equality, not to mention any conscious efforts made by members of society in general.

As older generations retire and/or die, we'll see that this change really has made its way in to widespread societal acceptance, as far as the lower and middle classes are concerned.

My opinions are not aged. Many modern couples are eschewing a stay-at-home-parent; both partners work. Yet, the mother is often burdened with a disproportionate amount of childcare and housework. Most people simply believe that women are better oriented at nurturing children and washing clothes. This is changing, but that's how it is now.

 

[her209]

Have you ever seen a woman approach a man and get shot down? Yeah... ouch!

 

[alphatarget1]

boys have a penis girls have a vagina.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
boys have a penis girls have a vagina.

What about shemales?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Riceninja
thinking that all black men like big chicks is racist.

Well, they usually like ugly, fat chicks.

:roll: Because you're the authority on black men.

There are some black men who like large women, just like there are white men who like large women, and women who like large men, and women who like large women, and men who like men, etc.

First, no one is attracted to ugly people. Attraction is subjective; if you are attracted to someone then she isn't ugly. Second, "usually" implies a majority; the majority of black men do not like "fat" women. "Thick" or "curvy" women, with thin waists and large behinds are generally preferred. These women are not "fat," they are normal sized.

Then when I see a black guy with a fat ugly white woman, it's an aberration? Cuz I see a lot of black men with fat, ugly white women, typically blonds.

Of course there science involved

And a medical definition of fat is a hell of a lot different than your thick & curvy BS...

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[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: queenrobot
I give you not one, but two chicks in a pic. Now, I want serious answers!!!

yeah but are those robots? I'm not so sure that counts.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Then when I see a black guy with a fat ugly white woman, it's an aberration? Cuz I see a lot of black men with fat, ugly white women, typically blonds.

Of course there science involved

And a medical definition of fat is a hell of a lot different than your thick & curvy BS...

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Have you ever looked at a rap video? When are fat women featured in them as objects of desire?

You see black men with fat white women and call it a phenomenon, but you ignore something much more common, white men with fat white women.

Black men may be relatively more into fat women (regardless of race) than white men, but black men are not "usually" into fat women. Look at a rap video. The women are not fat.

There is a huge difference between having a fat ass and being fat.

 

[ProfJohn]

This link explains it all

 

[Pliablemoose]

Fat is fat is fat... Where it's placed on the body is of some consequence, but I'm going to stop posting about the subject...

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Fat is fat is fat... Where it's placed on the body is of some consequence, but I'm going to stop posting about the subject...

You have a warped definition of fat. I suppose you are attracted to size 0 models with eating disorders.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: n yusef
You have a warped definition of fat. I suppose you are attracted to size 0 models with eating disorders.

Fat lover found.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Fat is fat is fat... Where it's placed on the body is of some consequence, but I'm going to stop posting about the subject...

You have a warped definition of fat. I suppose you are attracted to size 0 models with eating disorders.

As a matter of fact, current GF is Chinese & weighs about 90 lbs. She has definite 3rd ex wife potential. Best spinner I've run across yet.

Win Money King :thumbsup:

 

[DayLaPaul]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Then when I see a black guy with a fat ugly white woman, it's an aberration? Cuz I see a lot of black men with fat, ugly white women, typically blonds.

Of course there science involved

And a medical definition of fat is a hell of a lot different than your thick & curvy BS...

Text

Text

Have you ever looked at a rap video? When are fat women featured in them as objects of desire?

You see black men with fat white women and call it a phenomenon, but you ignore something much more common, white men with fat white women.

Black men may be relatively more into fat women (regardless of race) than white men, but black men are not "usually" into fat women. Look at a rap video. The women are not fat.

There is a huge difference between having a fat ass and being fat.

Did you just try and use rap videos as an authoritative example of the black man's taste in women?

:head assplodes:

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Then when I see a black guy with a fat ugly white woman, it's an aberration? Cuz I see a lot of black men with fat, ugly white women, typically blonds.

Of course there science involved

And a medical definition of fat is a hell of a lot different than your thick & curvy BS...

Text

Text

Have you ever looked at a rap video? When are fat women featured in them as objects of desire?

You see black men with fat white women and call it a phenomenon, but you ignore something much more common, white men with fat white women.

Black men may be relatively more into fat women (regardless of race) than white men, but black men are not "usually" into fat women. Look at a rap video. The women are not fat.

There is a huge difference between having a fat ass and being fat.

Did you just try and use rap videos as an authoritative example of the black man's taste in women?

:head assplodes:

Why is that bad? Rap music is created and enjoyed by young black men. Rap is the largest black American cultural export. Rappers are roll models for young black men, and the images and narratives of rap music are digested and emulated by these men.

Rap is (correctly) criticized for objectifying women, so it seems like an obvious reference for standards of beauty common to young black men.

 

[TheChort]

Learn to be who you already are, and stop trying to be something you're probably not. (ie, Amazon Warrior Princess)

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: NSFW
if I had boobs...I would never leave the house

Not having boobs never stopped you before.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: DayLaPaul

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Then when I see a black guy with a fat ugly white woman, it's an aberration? Cuz I see a lot of black men with fat, ugly white women, typically blonds.

Of course there science involved

And a medical definition of fat is a hell of a lot different than your thick & curvy BS...

Text

Text

Have you ever looked at a rap video? When are fat women featured in them as objects of desire?

You see black men with fat white women and call it a phenomenon, but you ignore something much more common, white men with fat white women.

Black men may be relatively more into fat women (regardless of race) than white men, but black men are not "usually" into fat women. Look at a rap video. The women are not fat.

There is a huge difference between having a fat ass and being fat.

Did you just try and use rap videos as an authoritative example of the black man's taste in women?

:head assplodes:

Why is that bad? Rap music is created and enjoyed by young black men. Rap is the largest black American cultural export. Rappers are roll models for young black men, and the images and narratives of rap music are digested and emulated by these men.

Rap is (correctly) criticized for objectifying women, so it seems like an obvious reference for standards of beauty common to young black men.

I know more white dorks who listen to rap than black people. Most of my black friends know more about music than the average white guy.

You need to turn off the TV and define your perceptions based on relationships. If, of course, your girlfriend lets you get out from under her, of course.

 

[ultimatebob]

Any decent looking girl can walk into a busy bar or club and come out with a man to have sex with that night if they wanted to. I doubt that most male ATOT'ers could say the same.

Advantage: Woman!

 

[Dear Summer]

all a girl has to is put on makeup and doll themselves up to get men

a guy has to be successful, stable, funny, outgoing, confident to get women

women have it easier

 

[Agentbolt]

You get to live longer
You get to not be drafted
You get to have things bought for you and be "taken care of"
You get to have way better orgasms
You get to make whiney threads about how much it sucks to be a woman despite the OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary, and yet not get called out on it.

Sounds like your gender got the better end of the deal to me, lady.

 

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: n yusef
Why is that bad? Rap music is created and enjoyed by young black men. Rap is the largest black American cultural export. Rappers are roll models for young black men, and the images and narratives of rap music are digested and emulated by these men.

Rap is (correctly) criticized for objectifying women, so it seems like an obvious reference for standards of beauty common to young black men.

I know more white dorks who listen to rap than black people. Most of my black friends know more about music than the average white guy.

You need to turn off the TV and define your perceptions based on relationships. If, of course, your girlfriend lets you get out from under her, of course.

I don't care what your "black friends" think. Sure, rap and hip-hop are enjoyed and consumed by white kids. Still, on average, black people are much more likely to listen to hip-hop, and more importantly, identify with the artists. It's one thing to see thugs on TV and hear about it on the radio. It's another to live inside the culture.

Media definitely colors our perceptions, and our beauty standards. Phenotypes go in and out of style, just like fashion.

BTW, I don't have a TV, or a girlfriend; I'm mostly attracted to guys. Still, I am black, have a minor in African American studies, and would hope that I know a little bit about black American culture.