Its a cliche, but true none the less, Never bring a knife to a gun fight.......

[Texashiker]

To me there is no point to owning a gun as the police are right there always. But you other people dont have that luxury.

And its a difference in culture.

My wife and I have friends who own cattle, not very many, maybe a few dozen head each.

When you have dogs chasing your cattle, you do not have time to call the police. You need to grab that rifle behind the door to take care of business yourself.

The county where I live does not have animal control. If I call the police about an aggressive dog, all the police are going to do is shoot the dog.

My family and I are big hunters, I deer hunt, my brother duck hunts, and our dad is an ex-cop. Firearms are part of our family.

Last year my step-daughter had a strange dog show up at her house. The dog was not friendly and was acting strange. The county sheriff did not have time to deal with the dog. I grabbed my 22 rifle went to her house and put the dog down.

My step daughter has 2 small children, a dog shows up that is acting strange, did not have a collar, was not friendly,,, what else am I supposed to do? My step daughter lives in a rural area, its not uncommon to see wild hogs rooting on the side of the road.

In places outside the city we have to take care of our own.

 

[JSt0rm]

In places outside the city we have to take care of our own.

Nobody is stopping you.

 

[Lemon law]

Yeah, she probably should have had him sign a form stating that he did in fact see the gun. For good measure they should probably have gotten it notarized as well. Then she could have shot him.

/facepalm

Fools like you are why the NRA exists. You're absolute refusal to be reasonable generates an equal and opposite reaction.

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Why call me a fool Boberpus, when I am simply telling you how local DA's look at these legal questions.

Lets change the story a bit, lets say this a a botched robbery, the Robbers enters the bed room with a knife thinking its just another room to rob, and see a shot gun pointed at them. Then have the good sense to flee grabbing what ever loot he has already gotten.


And if Mommy then shoots the fleeing robber in the back anyway after the threat of robber's knife deadly force is removed, ole Mommy is going to be facing murder charges in almost every State in the Union. If Mommy gets prosecuted and the Robber indeed got shot in the back, the NRA may ask you for donations, but the NRA will not pay a dime for our Mommy's attorney's.

Which is why I told you, since WE don't know the facts yet, its best to with hold judgment.

I know I know, there by the grace of God go most of us, but when it comes down to using deadly force, best know your legal rights and legal limitations. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I own guns too BoberFett, mainly for hunting and not home defense, but gun ownership comes with other responsibilities I take care to educate myself about. I suggest you do the same Bobber before shooting off your mouth before you engage your brain.

 

[woolfe9999]

I think Mommy is still a little out on a limb legally.

Usually the Mommy has a right to shoot to kill when the intruder threatens here with a knife, but technically until the intruder sees her gun, and is given time to retreat instead of still coming at her, Mommy may have no legal right to use deadly force.

Of course it will depend on the State and circumstances. But the local police are not the deciders, its the local DA's office in her county of residence. And or the DA who has venue here.

I'll reserve judgment here until better facts come in.

Of course the other giant question is, after 21 glacial minutes on the phone with 911, why the local cops can't get a police officer to her house is almost a crime in itself.

Yes it does depend on the state. However, in most states the intruder's act of illegal entry alone creates a strong presumption that the legal occupant was at bodily risk and could use deadly force. According to the information given in the article, this is a legal shoot in virtually every state.

 

[woolfe9999]

In some pansy state like CA that wouldn't surprise me... but not in a place like OK or TX. There you have the right to defend yourself in your home, as she did.

Just an FYI here, but California has a strong castle law. There is little doubt that the shoot would have been justified in CA. Incidentally, the only states that do not have such laws are:

Idaho, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, New Mexico, Virginia and Vermont. On that list I spot one blue state (Vermont), two purple states (Virginia, NM), and four red states.

- wolf

 

[Nebor]

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Why call me a fool Boberpus, when I am simply telling you how local DA's look at these legal questions.

Lets change the story a bit, lets say this a a botched robbery, the Robbers enters the bed room with a knife thinking its just another room to rob, and see a shot gun pointed at them. Then have the good sense to flee grabbing what ever loot he has already gotten.


And if Mommy then shoots the fleeing robber in the back anyway after the threat of robber's knife deadly force is removed, ole Mommy is going to be facing murder charges in almost every State in the Union. If Mommy gets prosecuted and the Robber indeed got shot in the back, the NRA may ask you for donations, but the NRA will not pay a dime for our Mommy's attorney's.

Which is why I told you, since WE don't know the facts yet, its best to with hold judgment.

In 26 States "Mommy" couldn't even be charged with a crime. The law states that anyone unlawfully in your home automatically represents a threat to your life, whether or not they are armed, and no matter what they are doing.

For someone that hangs on political forums all day, you're not very well versed on the law.

 

[woolfe9999]

In 26 States "Mommy" couldn't even be charged with a crime. The law states that anyone unlawfully in your home automatically represents a threat to your life, whether or not they are armed, and no matter what they are doing.

For someone that hangs on political forums all day, you're not very well versed on the law.

No, it's actually 43 states if you look at your link more closely. 29 states have castle laws, but 14 have laws that extend the "castle" to essentially everywhere.

 

[Throckmorton]

Nobody is stopping you.

It sounds like you want to stop them.


If you don't get attacked you "don't need a gun" just like if you don't get in a car accident you "don't need airbags". But you have a right to keep yourself as safe as possible. Self defense is a basic human right, regardless of what the Constitution says.

BTW even in urban areas, police don't just show up immediately like magic. They aren't omnipresent. Ever heard people in poor minority areas talk about how the police are never there to protect them? It's true. You feel safe and think guns are dumb because you probably live in a wealthy white neighborhood with virtually no crime.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

She did good. The fact those two maggots tried to attack her right after her husband dies is a joke.

racist much?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I think Mommy is still a little out on a limb legally.

Usually the Mommy has a right to shoot to kill when the intruder threatens here with a knife, but technically until the intruder sees her gun, and is given time to retreat instead of still coming at her, Mommy may have no legal right to use deadly force.

Of course it will depend on the State and circumstances. But the local police are not the deciders, its the local DA's office in her county of residence. And or the DA who has venue here.

I'll reserve judgment here until better facts come in.

Of course the other giant question is, after 21 glacial minutes on the phone with 911, why the local cops can't get a police officer to her house is almost a crime in itself.

fuck that shit. they don't want to die, don't break into someone's house.
a criminal has no rights as far as i'm concerned.

and she may have lived in the middle of nowhere. that's why she owns 2 guns.

 

[bfdd]

why say pansy? Anti-gay slurs to reinforce your point of view? Ignorant fool.

You associate pansy with gay? wtf? I associate pansy with being a little bitch.

 

[JSt0rm]

It sounds like you want to stop them.

Really? Please quote where I said anything about gun rights aside from them being a wedge issue? I'll wait around for a minute.

If you don't get attacked you "don't need a gun" just like if you don't get in a car accident you "don't need airbags". But you have a right to keep yourself as safe as possible. Self defense is a basic human right, regardless of what the Constitution says.

I never said it wasnt.

BTW even in urban areas, police don't just show up immediately like magic. They aren't omnipresent. Ever heard people in poor minority areas talk about how the police are never there to protect them? It's true. You feel safe and think guns are dumb because you probably live in a wealthy white neighborhood with virtually no crime.

I agree. When did I say i didnt?

My whole point was this thread didnt start out as a gun rights thread excpet for the few sideways comments about how gun control is wrong. I was just pointing out how stupid it is to think that the evil liberals will take ur guns. Its a non issue like abortion used to get people to vote for 1 douche over the other.

 

[JSt0rm]

You associate pansy with gay? wtf? I associate pansy with being a little bitch.

please see my ubran dictionary quote

Lets look up little bitch. I love how urban dictionary has everything lmao.

1. little bitch 183 up, 23 down
Someone who's whiny, petty, and passive-aggressive and won't stand up for him/herself when shit's going down, but will be perfectly happy to stab you in the back when you least expect it. Very distinct from a regular bitch.
No, I don't think you're a little bitch because you're a girl. I think you're a little bitch because you're a sniveling rat who I can't trust with a weather report, never mind something important.
buy little bitch mugs & shirts
rat fink sycophant jackass two-timer
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2. little bitch 105 up, 54 down
A fagget who can dish it out, but cant take it.
Gee, M#rk sure is a little bitch

 

[bfdd]

I realize this JSt0rm, what I'm saying is I have never associated pansy with gay. I don't see what someones sexual preference has to do with being pansy.

 

[classy]

racist much?

Huh?

 

[zoiks]

21 minutes and no police?

 

[Pulsar]

Good point, you fucking piece of shit.

It's not a good point at all. In rural areas like where I live, our "local" police station is over 40 minutes away.

In urban areas, the police are so heavily utilized that I've heard of waits approaching 2 hours.

Yes yes, we'd all like to live next to a police station and have unlimited police on duty. Unfortunately for some folks, reality intrudes into their fantasy land on occasion.

 

[JSt0rm]

And those people buy guns.

 

[pcgeek11]

why say pansy? Anti-gay slurs to reinforce your point of view? Ignorant fool.

Pansy doesn't equal Gay....

 

[JSt0rm]

Pansy doesn't equal Gay....

According to urban dictionary it does.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Huh?

c'mon, we all know that's the white equivalent of the forbidden 'S' word.

 

[monovillage]

According to urban dictionary it does.

The urban dictionary says it, I believe it, that settles it.

Interesting, it kinda sounds like a fundie talking about the bible.

 

[dmcowen674]

I sure wish I could have seen their faces when they broke into this house. Annie Oakley put a bottle in the baby's mouth, lol, then started blasting, good for her, damn shame she couldn't get the second one................

http://news.yahoo.com/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-911-operators-okay-091106413.html

I didn't look at the thread but I'm sure it is filled with the usual anti-gun anti-American crap.

Glad this young mother was able to use her right to bear arms and use it. :thumbsup:

 

[werepossum]

According to urban dictionary it does.

Urban Dictionary is the progressive version of Conservapedia . . .

 

[JSt0rm]

The urban dictionary says it, I believe it, that settles it.

Interesting, it kinda sounds like a fundie talking about the bible.

Its slang man. Do you understand that slang words have different meanings? If the top meaning of the slang word at urban dictionary has a gay reference I'm taking that as gold.

Everyone knows you are a idiot already so you thinking this is right or wrong doesnt matter.