It's a pretty sad world we live in now. Twitter is attacking John Wayne

Mayne

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I guess they ran out of alive celebs to attack. Someone dug up an old playboy article from 1971 and all hell is breaking loose in the twiiterverse.

Last time I checked he was born over a hundred years ago and might just been brought up differently then this current generation. smh
 
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MixMasterTang

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Nah, Public enemy was hating on him in the 80's!

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne
 
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Next thing you know instead of busting up old statues we will start digging up graves to burn bodies heh.

I laugh at that now, but god damn they continue to surprise me every day.
 

destrekor

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Next thing you know instead of busting up old statues we will start digging up graves to burn bodies heh.

I laugh at that now, but god damn they continue to surprise me every day.

Not sure how anything of today is surprising. People are revolting against the idea of celebrating anti-heroes from by-gone eras. Why the hell were we commemorating CSA war heroes? In what other worlds does this happen? Pretty sure you won't find any Nazi statues lining German streets. The victors write history, and most of us sane folk clearly don't agree with what the CSA stood for, so why are we expected to honor the statues of their heroes?

Now if it comes to grave robbing, count me against that shit, but I haven't been offended yet by the corrections modern day people would like to make.

If Christians and other fervently religious Americans are going to raise hell about Baphomet statues, do they honestly not see the obvious irony?
 

sandorski

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Whoa, take 'er easy there, Pilgrim.


We are all faulty. Future generations will criticize us and it will likely be warranted. I just think that when we do it, we need to keep in mind that the people in the Past did things largely due to being ignorant of what they were doing. Just as we are largely ignorant of the wrongs we are committing now. I say "largely" because I think we have a surface level of awareness of what wrong things we are doing, just not a deeper awareness of these things that people in the future will understand. I imagine these wrongs will centre around Climate Change inaction, eating Meat/Animal Cruelty, etc.
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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Never understood the obsession with John Wayne.
He had his moments, but I found him wooden and entirely one noted.
He did what he did ok. Old movies aren't that great to begin with aside from nostalgia factor. Heavy on the melodrama, light on realism. Wayne was ok. My father liked him a lot. I'm fairly indifferent, as opposed to my view on twitter twats looking for something to be offended by. They can fuck themselves with katanas. I don't even know what Mayne is talking about, but I'm sure it's people acting like little cvnts, whining about stuff that doesn't matter instead of doing stuff that makes the world better.
 

pmv

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his acting as genghis khan was subpar at best

Isn't that the one where everyone involved got cancer from the radioactivity? Surely has to qualify as worst move ever - not only horrible racial insensitivity but it killed a large proportion of the cast and crew.

John Wayne meant nothing to me. But I always thought Public Enemy were unfair on Elvis. That he benefited from other people's racism doesn't make him racist.

Future generations will probably hate us. For so many reasons. Which demonstrates the foolishness of wanting to be famous or be remembered when you are gone. If you are remembered the future people will be able to hate you by name.
 

sandorski

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He did what he did ok. Old movies aren't that great to begin with aside from nostalgia factor. Heavy on the melodrama, light on realism. Wayne was ok. My father liked him a lot. I'm fairly indifferent, as opposed to my view on twitter twats looking for something to be offended by. They can fuck themselves with katanas. I don't even know what Mayne is talking about, but I'm sure it's people acting like little cvnts, whining about stuff that doesn't matter instead of doing stuff that makes the world better.

I really liked his movies as a kid. He had a good presence on the screen, a real man's man, hero type. Haven't watched one of those movies in decades, due to time and what's happened during that time, I suspect history has coloured what he espoused to no longer appeal to me, but at the height of the Cold War his characters and portrayal he brought to the screen was inspiring.
 

brianmanahan

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i think the concept of hero is outdated, and the sooner people come to realize this the better

when someone is considered a hero it makes people more likely to accept what they do without thinking rationally to judge if it is a good or bad choice.
 

Ajay

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i think the concept of hero is outdated, and the sooner people come to realize this the better

when someone is considered a hero it makes people more likely to accept what they do without thinking rationally to judge if it is a good or bad choice.
Heros aren’t outdated, the term is just overused, IMHO.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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i think the concept of hero is outdated, and the sooner people come to realize this the better

when someone is considered a hero it makes people more likely to accept what they do without thinking rationally to judge if it is a good or bad choice.
Heroes are symbols, "role" models not, someone to copy but, to inspire. They are better than the 15 minutes of fame some idiots kill for on the intarwebs. I think air Jordan's have been involved with more shitty assholes than John Wayne ever was.
 

LikeLinus

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Regardless if his views were right or wrong, you have to realize that the time he was popular was VERY different than now. The words and attitudes they had, they are not representative of what he would represent now. People need to LET GO of the ideology that everyone has the same opinion as today. It just isn't realistic. That does not mean everyone from that era a bad person, it's just a fact of the environment and social norm. I hope they look back 60 years from now and say "politically correct" people are horrible and the people who support it are the worst people. Go dodgeball!!

But seriously, fucking people who don't respect and learn history. It is what it is...
 

destrekor

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Regardless if his views were right or wrong, you have to realize that the time he was popular was VERY different than now. The words and attitudes they had, they are not representative of what he would represent now. People need to LET GO of the ideology that everyone has the same opinion as today. It just isn't realistic. That does not mean everyone from that era a bad person, it's just a fact of the environment and social norm. I hope they look back 60 years from now and say "politically correct" people are horrible and the people who support it are the worst people. Go dodgeball!!

But seriously, fucking people who don't respect and learn history. It is what it is...

What's wrong with the politically correct movement? You think in 60 years they'll be celebrating outright racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and other forms of outright bigotry? Slams against "political correctness" are nothing more than cries about the inability to openly express bigoted opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.And I say, prove me wrong.
And that, coupled with the rest of your post, makes for some outlandish irony.


But I'll otherwise agree that yes, times and people change. People get obsessed over the notion that mainstream politicians have changed their voting behavior over a period of decades, that they have said certain things 30 years ago and now they say and vote otherwise, like that's the worst sin in the world. Like... really? It's worse to change your views with time and education, as opposed to holding onto those views despite time and education? lol
A lot of things change over the years. We learn more as a species, we find more evidence toward certain fundamental truths, and in my opinion it's only right that politicians adjust course based on new information and based on the changes in their constituency.
 

shortylickens

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if its the article I'm thinking of, this isnt news unless you are brain dead (which seems to be most Americans these days).

Its been brought up every 5 years since the day he gave it. People are just looking for reasons to be angry.
 
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lxskllr

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What's wrong with the politically correct movement? You think in 60 years they'll be celebrating outright racism, xenophobia, homophobia, and other forms of outright bigotry? Slams against "political correctness" are nothing more than cries about the inability to openly express bigoted opinions. Nothing more, nothing less.And I say, prove me wrong.
And that, coupled with the rest of your post, makes for some outlandish irony.


But I'll otherwise agree that yes, times and people change. People get obsessed over the notion that mainstream politicians have changed their voting behavior over a period of decades, that they have said certain things 30 years ago and now they say and vote otherwise, like that's the worst sin in the world. Like... really? It's worse to change your views with time and education, as opposed to holding onto those views despite time and education? lol
A lot of things change over the years. We learn more as a species, we find more evidence toward certain fundamental truths, and in my opinion it's only right that politicians adjust course based on new information and based on the changes in their constituency.
It's a bullshit waste of time to collect rightous karma points. Kicking a dead guy's easy, and doesn't take any work. If they spent their time doing something instead of running their mouthes(fingers), they might actually make a real difference in the world.
 

zinfamous

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That's what I'm saying. I don't even know what the OP is about, I just wanted to jump on the John Wayne bashing train.

I know right? I don't get it. It's funny, a movie like True Grit is absolutely famous for how terrible it always was. Just...absolutely terrible. This is actually why it is famous! (I think Ishtar was the first movie to replace it in the "Well, at least it's not True Grit" phraseology). But there are legions of people that actually love it and take it seriously. It's weird.

Stagecoach and The Searchers are great flicks, but John Wayne? wtf. He's OK in The Searchers, I guess, but it's sort of a Tom Cruise thing: dude is in a lot of very good movies, but none of them are made better, and really kind of suffer, because of his involvement.
 
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destrekor

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It's a bullshit waste of time to collect rightous karma points. Kicking a dead guy's easy, and doesn't take any work. If they spent their time doing something instead of running their mouthes(fingers), they might actually make a real difference in the world.

Not gonna lie, I'm a tad confused here. Did you mean to quote me?

I can see how you wanted to get something of my post but I wasn't speaking directly to any criticism toward John Wayne and any concerns of his attitudes in a bygone era. I was speaking more generally about the whole anti-PC movement of late.
 

spacejamz

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Whatever boat John Wayne was commanding would get attacked and afterwards, his uniform was completely clean and still starched perfectly...pretty the only thing I remember about his war movies....
 
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Not sure how anything of today is surprising. People are revolting against the idea of celebrating anti-heroes from by-gone eras. Why the hell were we commemorating CSA war heroes? In what other worlds does this happen? Pretty sure you won't find any Nazi statues lining German streets. The victors write history, and most of us sane folk clearly don't agree with what the CSA stood for, so why are we expected to honor the statues of their heroes?

Now if it comes to grave robbing, count me against that shit, but I haven't been offended yet by the corrections modern day people would like to make.

If Christians and other fervently religious Americans are going to raise hell about Baphomet statues, do they honestly not see the obvious irony?

The point of history is that we learn from it. Go ahead, break down statues if it makes you feel superior. It doesn't change society. It doesn't change anything. It just helps you and your fee fee's for a matter of minutes.

History is something we learned from. Regardless of whatever historical figure you claim to idolize, I can find something that they did that is FUCKED UP by today's standards.... And thats fine. That's absolutely fine - the point is simply that we learned from it and we evolved.

What is so hard to understand about that? Again, I can ask you who you idolize and I guarantee I can find something to condemn them for.

The Anti-PC movement is rightfully there for a reason. For everything you condemn ancestors for, I can show you 20 that you are grateful for that you cherish and would never give up. Pick your poison in life, you aren't holier than thou'

lxskllr touches on it nicely as well below.


It's a bullshit waste of time to collect rightous karma points. Kicking a dead guy's easy, and doesn't take any work. If they spent their time doing something instead of running their mouthes(fingers), they might actually make a real difference in the world.
 
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HomerJS

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Damned education. What next, Pilgrims really weren't nice to the Native Americans??
 
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