It's Bye Bye Time for 7800gtx 512.

[Boze]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

NVIDIA to Phase Out 7800GTX 512MB in February

Written by Varun Dubey
Manufacturer: NVIDIA Corp.
Friday, 09 December 2005


(Insider Report) - Well, we?ve been hearing rumors about this for a while, but we finally heard it from the horse?s mouth not too long ago. Recent conversations with insiders at NVIDIA have led us to believe that their top of the line card, the 7800GTX 512MB will be out of production sometime in Q1 next year, most likely somewhere around February ?06.

Where "insiders at NVIDIA" means the guy who answers phone calls at the front desk? "Heave lead us to believe". I can lead people to believe all kinds of things - doesn't make them true. Yeah... I'll wait until NVIDIA releases a press release; you should too. How does it benefit NVIDIA in anyway to stop shipping their flagship product that people are lining up to get? Answer that one for me...

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
Sure, Nv can claim the performance crown this round (so far). But that wont do much good to people who actually want to buy this thing.

NVIDIA has ATI beat at the mid-range and low end as well.

NVIDIA should phase out the 7800GTX 512 next year because the 7900GTX 90nm is coming out. This should not be a suprise really.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Matt2

However, tough times could be ahead for NVIDIA, since the maximum overclock that the 7800GTX 512MB managed was around 700MHz while the X1800XT crossed the 1GHz marker. Of course, this was with space age cooling but the potential was definitely there. Needless to say, both NVIDIA and ATI are prepping their next product lineups as 2005 draws to an end.

HAHA

90nm vs 110nm?

:roll:

Exactly, Ati is still going to be using the same process. Nvidia will be using a new process, even if its 90nm, which everybody but AMD has had issues with. Chances are a refined 520 vs. a rifined and shrunk G70 with soeeds already as similar as they are, I don't see much of a contest. Hopefully for ATI the Unfied Arc will show an advntage, but with game companies moving farther and farther for vertex processing (and the romur Nvidias DC drivers off load it to the CPU) I doubt its going to impact performance that much.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: g3pro
Tough times for nVidia? Last time I checked, ATi has been losing every benchmark, not nVidia. * shrug *

Yeah, on paper. :laugh: Show me where anyone can actually buy Nv's winning card.

You have a good point. However, the fact remains that the cards do exist and many people, even here at AT, own them.

This is similar to the X800XTPE debacle. That card was scarce, but people still owned them. And ATI claimed the performance title because of it. There were BATTLES beyond reason about this amoung ATI/Nvidia fans. The X800XTPE gradually became more and more available, unlike the 7800GTX512 which is "rumored" to be phased out.

So, to be very fair munky, Nvidia has the right to the crown, this round, if ATI had the right to the crown, last round. Only makes sense. IMHO.

Sure, Nv can claim the performance crown this round (so far). But that wont do much good to people who actually want to buy this thing.

It does, however, do the people who already own 1 or 2 of these monsters, very good. And you will probably see scattered sightings of availability over the next two to 3 months I would imagine. So, they will trickle (whatever stock they have left waiting for GGDR3 1.1 so they say) into vendors hands very slowly and small amounts. So there should still be some small glimmer of hope for those who truly want one of these. Although, I can't see buying one of these with G71 in the pits getting it's tire lugs tightened.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
Sure, Nv can claim the performance crown this round (so far). But that wont do much good to people who actually want to buy this thing.

NVIDIA has ATI beat at the mid-range and low end as well.

NVIDIA should phase out the 7800GTX 512 next year because the 7900GTX 90nm is coming out. This should not be a suprise really.

Care to elaborate on that statement?

If you only count the x1600, then yeah, Nv owns the midrange market. But people dont only buy the x1600, and when you count the x800xl, x800pro, x800gto2, and x800gto (especially the ones that can be modded) they both offer more bang for the buck than any Nv card in the ~$200 price category.

Likewise, the x1300 is not much of a competitor to the 6600 ddr2 in the low end, but for the same money as the 6600 they have an even faster x700pro.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: g3pro
Tough times for nVidia? Last time I checked, ATi has been losing every benchmark, not nVidia. * shrug *

Not using comparable cards at a similar price point at the high end they haven't. X1800XT beats out the 256 mb GTX in almost all benchmarks, has better IQ and is within $50 of its price except it also has 256 mb more ram. The 512 GTX Press Edition was a limited run card in an attempt by nVidia to take steam out of the XT. Not to mention it cost an exorbitant $750+ if you could even find it.

Next round: G70 @ 90nm vs R580.
My prediction: R580 wins at AA/AF + high resolution with better IQ.
My purchase: R580.

GTX served me well and I'm glad I bought it shortly after release so I got to enjoy using it all this time (despite my reduced gaming hours). R580 should be an interesting card, too bad it's not coming out during the holidays.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: munky
If you only count the x1600, then yeah, Nv owns the midrange market. But people dont only buy the x1600, and when you count the x800xl, x800pro, x800gto2, and x800gto (especially the ones that can be modded) they both offer more bang for the buck than any Nv card in the ~$200 price category.

In the $200 category the 6800GS would be the best buy at $300 you have the 7800GT and for around $430 you can get a 7800GTX.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: munky
If you only count the x1600, then yeah, Nv owns the midrange market. But people dont only buy the x1600, and when you count the x800xl, x800pro, x800gto2, and x800gto (especially the ones that can be modded) they both offer more bang for the buck than any Nv card in the ~$200 price category.

In the $200 category the 6800GS would be the best buy at $300 you have the 7800GT and for around $430 you can get a 7800GTX.

Starting at $300, all the cards can be grouped in the high end category. At $200, the midrange point, the 6800gs is only a good deal for those who are afraid or too lazy to mod a gto or gto2 into an x850xt pe.

 

[g3pro]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: g3pro
Tough times for nVidia? Last time I checked, ATi has been losing every benchmark, not nVidia. * shrug *

Not using comparable cards at a similar price point at the high end they haven't. X1800XT beats out the 256 mb GTX in almost all benchmarks, has better IQ and is within $50 of its price except it also has 256 mb more ram. The 512 GTX Press Edition was a limited run card in an attempt by nVidia to take steam out of the XT. Not to mention it cost an exorbitant $750+ if you could even find it.

Next round: G70 @ 90nm vs R580.
My prediction: R580 wins at AA/AF + high resolution with better IQ.
My purchase: R580.

GTX served me well and I'm glad I bought it shortly after release so I got to enjoy using it all this time (despite my reduced gaming hours). R580 should be an interesting card, too bad it's not coming out during the holidays.

That's funny, cuz when the X1800XT was in short supply and really expensive, the 7800 GTX 256 was compared with the X1800XL which was beaten into a pulp by the GTX. Oh, how times change, hombre.

 

[Capt Caveman]

FWIW, the eVGA 7800GTX 512mb w/ free COD2 is now available again at TD.

 

[RichUK]

Well what can i say .. ULTRA maybe .. yes the 7900 Ultra (or 7*** Ultra), im thinking that i might just save my PCIe upgrade till Q1 next year and see what G71 has to offer.

But then R580 is coming out aswell .. hmm decisions decisions. lol what is the turn around for GFX cards now, it must be about 3/4 months isnt it

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Well what can i say .. ULTRA maybe .. yes the 7900 Ultra (or 7*** Ultra), im thinking that i might just save my PCIe upgrade till Q1 next year and see what G71 has to offer.

But then R580 is coming out aswell .. hmm decisions decisions. lol what is the turn around for GFX cards now, it must be about 3/4 months isnt it

lol and then you'll wait so long for them to actually become available that you'll then be enticed by R600 and G80 so you'll hold off upgrading. this will continue till you eventually go back in time

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
FWIW, the eVGA 7800GTX 512mb w/ free COD2 is now available again at TD.

THIS ITEM IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
FWIW, the eVGA 7800GTX 512mb w/ free COD2 is now available again at TD.

THIS ITEM IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE

LOL

You're just going to have to accept the fact that people are buying these, and it is the fastest/best single card on the market by FAR Munky.

They were available at TD a couple days ago when Capt. Caveman bought his, they were available again this afternoon. (I followed his link and saw them in stock) They'll likely have more in a few days and they'll sell out too.

They're available at systems assemblers, some B&M, and overseas.

Extremely limited availability does not equal no availability, so you'll just have to keep listening to me say:

"Hey Munky! 512GTX is one sweet card that demolishes all competition, eh?"

:beer:

 

[John Reynolds]

I don't know, the X1800 XT sure seems to be hitting a sweet spot. It gives roughly 80% or so of the performance of a 512MB GTX but for only roughly 2/3rd the cost. And I suspect ATI has more headroom for performance gains via future driver drops since it's a new architecture, though time will tell.

Of course if you have to have the absolute fastest, then money isn't always a factor, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best/smartest purchase. I know if I were in the market for a 512MB card with my own money, I'd be viewing the X1800 XT as the smarter buy because at current pricing is simply has a better cost-performance ratio.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: g3pro
Tough times for nVidia? Last time I checked, ATi has been losing every benchmark, not nVidia. * shrug *

Not using comparable cards at a similar price point at the high end they haven't. X1800XT beats out the 256 mb GTX in almost all benchmarks, has better IQ and is within $50 of its price except it also has 256 mb more ram. The 512 GTX Press Edition was a limited run card in an attempt by nVidia to take steam out of the XT. Not to mention it cost an exorbitant $750+ if you could even find it.

Next round: G70 @ 90nm vs R580.
My prediction: R580 wins at AA/AF + high resolution with better IQ.
My purchase: R580.

GTX served me well and I'm glad I bought it shortly after release so I got to enjoy using it all this time (despite my reduced gaming hours). R580 should be an interesting card, too bad it's not coming out during the holidays.

That's funny, cuz when the X1800XT was in short supply and really expensive, the 7800 GTX 256 was compared with the X1800XL which was beaten into a pulp by the GTX. Oh, how times change, hombre.

I never compared the GTX to the XL, "hombre". Facts are facts, 512 GTX Press Edition is being phased out after 1 manufacturing run and the XT is plentiful in supply at a similar price point to a 256 mb GTX. Anyway, even if 512 GTX was plentiful in supply, why would anyone be foolish enough to purchase one at $750+ when R580 is due out at the end of Feb. followed by the G71@90nm?

 

[Ronin]

If plentiful supply means "No one is buying them, so all these eTailers have extra stock", you win!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: John Reynolds
I don't know, the X1800 XT sure seems to be hitting a sweet spot. It gives roughly 80% or so of the performance of a 512MB GTX but for only roughly 2/3rd the cost. And I suspect ATI has more headroom for performance gains via future driver drops since it's a new architecture, though time will tell.

Of course if you have to have the absolute fastest, then money isn't always a factor, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best/smartest purchase. I know if I were in the market for a 512MB card with my own money, I'd be viewing the X1800 XT as the smarter buy because at current pricing is simply has a better cost-performance ratio.

John
you've been around long enough to know "the best will cost you". Remember what we were paying for V2 SLI back in the day?

People will pay what this card costs until something faster comes out or the supply gets much larger. It would be interesting to know how many they're actually selling at these prices.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: g3pro

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: g3pro
Tough times for nVidia? Last time I checked, ATi has been losing every benchmark, not nVidia. * shrug *

Not using comparable cards at a similar price point at the high end they haven't. X1800XT beats out the 256 mb GTX in almost all benchmarks, has better IQ and is within $50 of its price except it also has 256 mb more ram. The 512 GTX Press Edition was a limited run card in an attempt by nVidia to take steam out of the XT. Not to mention it cost an exorbitant $750+ if you could even find it.

Next round: G70 @ 90nm vs R580.
My prediction: R580 wins at AA/AF + high resolution with better IQ.
My purchase: R580.

GTX served me well and I'm glad I bought it shortly after release so I got to enjoy using it all this time (despite my reduced gaming hours). R580 should be an interesting card, too bad it's not coming out during the holidays.

That's funny, cuz when the X1800XT was in short supply and really expensive, the 7800 GTX 256 was compared with the X1800XL which was beaten into a pulp by the GTX. Oh, how times change, hombre.

I never compared the GTX to the XL, "hombre". Facts are facts, 512 GTX Press Edition is being phased out after 1 manufacturing run and the XT is plentiful in supply at a similar price point to a 256 mb GTX. Anyway, even if 512 GTX was plentiful in supply, why would anyone be foolish enough to purchase one at $750+ when R580 is due out at the end of Feb. followed by the G71@90nm?

<showdown at OK Coral music>

<spurred footsteps>

"Listen up hombre! I will compare your comparisons of slightly available hardware then to my comparisons of slightly available hardware now, and ....errrr........

<fading spurred footsteps>

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: John Reynolds
I don't know, the X1800 XT sure seems to be hitting a sweet spot. It gives roughly 80% or so of the performance of a 512MB GTX but for only roughly 2/3rd the cost. And I suspect ATI has more headroom for performance gains via future driver drops since it's a new architecture, though time will tell.

Of course if you have to have the absolute fastest, then money isn't always a factor, but that doesn't necessarily make it the best/smartest purchase. I know if I were in the market for a 512MB card with my own money, I'd be viewing the X1800 XT as the smarter buy because at current pricing is simply has a better cost-performance ratio.

Correct. The x1800xt is the best price to performance card in the ultra high end range and more importantly, it's widely available.

The 7800GTX 512 is even more rare than the x800xt PE and will be cycled out of production in half the time. This was a PR card. It's too bad they couldn't produce enough to meet demand. At MSRP, these cards would simply destory the x1800xt sales. I know of atleast 4 buyers, in real life, that would have purchased a 7800GTX 512 had it been available at MSRP. Too bad for nvidia, ati got those sales.

This is exactly how the 6800 series out sold the x800xt/pe's. The x800 were faster but you could actually go out and buy the 6800GT at MSRP from various places.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ronin
If plentiful supply means "No one is buying them, so all these eTailers have extra stock", you win!

I thought you got one/two of these Ronin?

 

[Ronin]

I was referring to the X1800, not the 7800GTX 512MB.

I have an ATi built Crossfire box (meaning, they sent me a whole computer) and 2 X1800XTs, though.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin
I was referring to the X1800, not the 7800GTX 512MB.

I have an ATi built Crossfire box (meaning, they sent me a whole computer) and 2 X1800XTs, though.

pics?

 

[Ronin]

No.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin
No.

I have 2xR580 that ATi sent me. No pics though.