It's coming, Tuesday

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
here's an unbiased link you can play with, Corn.

Nice and unbiased, from democrats.com... lmao... shouldn't you be listening to the Dixie Chicks instead of arguing over spilled milk? Geez, get over it, who cares who won the election... the Republicans and Democrats are the same monster with 2 different heads, why don't you argue about the point of this thread: Why going to war is bad. Not how or what Gore would have done, or peed in his pants, invented the internet, or whatever...

France/Germany are ticked b/c we backed out of the Kyoto Treaty and Dumsfeld's remarks about them representing "Old Europe", and Russia's mad because we turned our backs on their ABM treaty... The leaders of these countries are worse than some women I know when it comes to grudges, and it's a shame b/c they're tinkering with the lives of innocent Iraqi people in the process. IF they agreed with some type of resolution and backed us, grudges aside, at least there would be a CHANCE that Saddam could be uprooted with minimal war. Instead, we will have to rebuild everything ourselves, while all of these countries with their petty grudges enjoy freedom from Saddam's WMDs. Not to mention they will not be involved financially with the rebuilding of Iraq either, what cowards.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
here's an unbiased link you can play with, Corn.

BWA HA HA HA!! LMFAO!! Unbiased....LOL! Good one!!

I think, perhaps, you meant this site

 

[Moonbeam]

The nice thing about Bush is that, while we will never know what Gore would be like, we can be guaranteed that even a sub par performance would be way better than Bush's. What a colossal disaster he is.

 

[Corn]

here's an unbiased link you can play with, Corn.

That website is a gas Moonie! I especially liked the evidence provided by diaryland.com. I also enjoyed the fact that nearly every link supplied as their "evidence" as either dead or did not actually refer their "assumptions" of who won under what circumstances. Compelling stuff.

Well maybe not, but I do find it somewhat gratifying that democrats.com produces zero evidence of its charges all the while whining about the media corsortium lying about its documented results!!!

 

[Morph]

I think I can say one thing with confidence. If Gore was president, this silly "war" would not be happening.

 

[althor27]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The nice thing about Bush is that, while we will never know what Gore would be like, we can be guaranteed that even a sub par performance would be way better than Bush's.

Got another unbiased link to support that statement too? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

conjur, that site's for liquid silver addicts not for people who can think.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Morph
I think I can say one thing with confidence. If Gore was president, this silly "war" would not be happening.

Another reason I'm glad Bush is president.

I'd rather Saddam get removed than to have him continue to repress and murder his own people and to supply Al Qaeda (or other terrorists) with bio/chem weapons for use against the U.S. (or anyone else).

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
conjur, that site's for liquid silver addicts not for people who can think.

Oh...so *that's* why you linked to democrats.com. That liquid silver addiction of yours explains just about every other post of yours, too. Thanks for the clarification!

 

[Dragnov]

Originally posted by: Morph
Well said Bluga. Some of us tend to forget that George W. Bush was NOT elected by a majority of people in this country. AS far as I'm concerned, he got in on a technicality.

Technicality? It's been there since the beginning.

One of our greatest Presidents, the man Abraham Lincoln was not elected by the majority of the people. Furthermore, he violated the Consititution by supsending habeus corpus and essentially doing everything while Congress was out of session. Whether he did it for altruistic reasons or not, he did save the Union and led to the abolishment of slavery. Now what was your point w/ that comment again?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Now what was your point w/ that comment again?

It was to blather inanely.

Clinton wasn't even elected by a majority of the voters, either!

 

[Moonbeam]

Sure althor27:

Link

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Link5 (Supreme Court fraud?)

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And pages and pages more.

EDIT: The Liquid Silver ad is on the home page of your link, sorry.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Pocatello
The terrorists have declared war on the US long before Iraq. They bombed the US marines and embassy in Lebanon, we did nothing. They bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, we did nothing, they bombed the US airforce barrack in Saudi Arabia, we did nothing, they bombed our embassy Africa, we did nothing, they bombed the USS Cole, we did nothing, they used our civilian aircrafts loaded with passengers to destroy the World Trade Center. It is war, and we didn't start the fire. Whether we attack Iraq now or never, the terrorists have already planned their next move, hopefully we can catch them, and preemptively kill them first.

I agree,

Good post

Pocatello.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sure althor27:

Link

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Link5 (Supreme Court fraud?)

Link6

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And pages and pages more.

EDIT: The Liquid Silver ad is on the home page of your link, sorry.

you know, if the people there just knew how to FREAKING PUNCH HOLES IN PIECES OF PAPER maybe we wouldn't have had to go through any of this.

but they don't.

 

[Moonbeam]

I thought it started when somebody bit an apple.

Edit: None of it would have happened if they just counted all the legal votes. That's how you win elections and that's the vote Gore won. It's not about punching holes in paper, it's about blocking the vote count.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sure althor27:

Link

Link2

Link3

Link4

Link5 (Supreme Court fraud?)

Link6

Link7

Link8

And pages and pages more.

EDIT: The Liquid Silver ad is on the home page of your link, sorry.

Apparently Moonbeam is ignorant of the meaning of the term 'unbiased'.

World Socialist Web Site? Come on!

 

[althor27]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sure althor27:

Link

Link2

Link3

Link4

Link5 (Supreme Court fraud?)

Link6

Link7

Link8

And pages and pages more.

EDIT: The Liquid Silver ad is on the home page of your link, sorry.

OMG. Wow, you have surpassed yourself here. World Socialist Website and Progressive Politics....both cornerstones of unbiased information. Way to go Moonie. By the way, if you will actually read what I said I was asking you to prove that any subpar performance by Gore would have been better than the job Bush has done. Could you actually address that question, or should I just do a search for socialist views on Google myself?

 

[Bluga]

Majority of Americans were so traumatized my 9-11 that they would do anything to destroy all terrorism and what they perceived as terrorist states. Never mind the fact that Iraq has not been linked to 9-11. If you don't support the war you are anti-american.

Americans are not known for thinking long-term. They can't see that more and more people are going to be driven to fanaticism due to their hatred of our foreign policy. They can't see that arrogant actions because we are the most powerful nation in the world will fuel terrorism, not diminish it. Terrorism has no national boundaries, so destroying Iraq may feel like we accomplished something, but in fact, it will ensure Al Qaeda and all other terrorists organizations will flourish into the next millenia.

It's all quite sad...

 

[Corn]

Americans are not known for thinking long-term.

Yes yes, and the jury is still out trying to figure out if Canadians can actually think..........

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Bluga
Majority of Americans were so traumatized my 9-11 that they would do anything to destroy all terrorism and what they perceived as terrorist states. Never mind the fact that Iraq has not been linked to 9-11. If you don't support the war you are anti-american.

Americans are not known for thinking long-term. They can't see that more and more people are going to be driven to fanaticism due to their hatred of our foreign policy. They can't see that arrogant actions because we are the most powerful nation in the world will fuel terrorism, not diminish it. Terrorism has no national boundaries, so destroying Iraq may feel like we accomplished something, but in fact, it will ensure Al Qaeda and all other terrorists organizations will flourish into the next millenia.

It's all quite sad...

Destroying Iraq? What are you talking about my friend... we're going to have to rebuild it just like we did with Afganistan. We're there to get rid of a regime, not a country.

Fanaticism is driven by poverty, illogical reasoning, and some would even say jealosy... If u lived in a mud hut and heard about Americans with gold toilets, wouldn't u turn into a hater too?

I could also argue that by defeating Saddam, annihilating our embargo, that this would diminish poverty and increase Iraq's standard of living, in the "long-term". Hence, Iraqi's would be indebted to us for raising their standard of living, and not hating us b/c some moronic dictator tells them to, or he'll drop a megaton of VX gas on their village which will make them bleed out of their skin pores (to death).

You clearly lack a cognizance of our country's objectives, clearly explaining your "sad" state of mind. I would recommend reading up on the matter at cnn.com, or any other media news site. Maybe some prozac too...

 

[freakflag]

I'm so tired of all these insipid arguments.

The one thing no one ever seems to take into account is that all these arguments for a "sensible, peaceful solution" rely upon an assumption...that individuals are rational, reasonable, and intelligent. Let me point out that the aquisition of power does not require any of these.

Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that Saddam lacks these three characteristics (or two...or even just one).

Add to the equation god-like power over his country and his populace, virtually unlimited wealth, a psychotic...almost megalomaniacal... desire to exert said power over the entire Middle East, and a total lack of regard for human life towards that end.

Do you really think that sanctions and good, stern talking to will solve the problem?

 

[Moonbeam]

Sure, althor, it's called statisitcs. Take a guy that won the election, Gore, and compare him to somebody who lost, like Bush, but who gets elected anyway. Pretty slim odds of that happening unless your brother's the Governor of Florida and your dady appointed the supreme coup. Same thing. Take a guy that has done an absolutely terrible job as President, a real basket disaster case like Bush. What's the odds of Gore doing worce. Vanishingly small, just like the chance that Bush won.

You also fail to realize that all those fruitcake sites are just reporting what seven newspapers actually counted using scientific and unbiased techniques and which afterward enen they tried to downplay because of 9/11. Most of the newspaper links have long ago been archived. I used to link to them, since I've mentioned that Gore won at least three times since 2000.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I thought it started when somebody bit an apple.

Edit: None of it would have happened if they just counted all the legal votes. That's how you win elections and that's the vote Gore won. It's not about punching holes in paper, it's about blocking the vote count.

Why is it that nobody seems to care about the vote of the people in New Mexico? This was another close vote in which there should have been a recount, but there wasn't.

Coincidentally or not, Gore won the state. With no recount.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sure, althor, it's called statisitcs. Take a guy that won the election, Gore, and compare him to somebody who lost, like Bush, but who gets elected anyway. Pretty slim odds of that happening unless your brother's the Governor of Florida and your dady appointed the supreme coup.

FFS, moonbeam, go finish off your dime bag and STFU.

 

[Konigin]

Republicans are dangling a war in front of a spoiled sport Democrate and he can't take it....lol