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ZaneNBK

Golden Member
Sep 14, 2000
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Would be nice if their website actually worked. Been trying for the last 20 minutes to create an account and get an error every time.

My first attempt on Chrome failed because the security questions page doesn't work on Chrome at all. After I switched to IE it fails at the last step of account creation every time and makes you restart the entire signup process.

Nice job government contractors, way to put out a quality product.
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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I could just rub this into those anti Obama folks noses.

Marked for posterity.

Healthcare needs reform, but I think with obamacare in a decade you will lucky to get a doctors appointment within 4 months seeing a doctor fresh out of a Zimbabwean med school.
 

shadow9d9

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
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Don't worry about it guys. When this shit bomb really shows it's ugly ass, it's gonna prove that people like Ted Cruz were really trying to do the right thing. Since ACA was passed in the night without a single Republican vote, when it all starts ripping off mainstreet America, the Dems can kiss 2014 & 2016 goodbye. The upside to this is that a GOP controlled house and senate will fix the economy, kind of like the last time we had a surplus, under Clinton. The GOP had control of the senate and the house. The mistake the GOP made was trying to delay it a year. Bring it on now, so we can watch it's epic demise before the mid terms. It will create great campaign talking points.

After 1 year of debate and 100 republican amendments. Then affirmed by the Supreme Court and Obama was reelected.

MIDDLE OF THE NITE HERP DERP!
 

shadow9d9

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
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Would be nice if their website actually worked. Been trying for the last 20 minutes to create an account and get an error every time.

My first attempt on Chrome failed because the security questions page doesn't work on Chrome at all. After I switched to IE it fails at the last step of account creation every time and makes you restart the entire signup process.

Nice job government contractors, way to put out a quality product.

Website is being hammered. Never played a new MMO have you? : )
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
18,883
641
126
Would be nice if their website actually worked. Been trying for the last 20 minutes to create an account and get an error every time.

My first attempt on Chrome failed because the security questions page doesn't work on Chrome at all. After I switched to IE it fails at the last step of account creation every time and makes you restart the entire signup process.

Nice job government contractors, way to put out a quality product.
Duh, it's because of the shutdown!
 

ZaneNBK

Golden Member
Sep 14, 2000
1,674
0
76
Website is being hammered. Never played a new MMO have you? : )

Yes, of course I have and I expected there would be issues today. However, load balancing and automatic provisioning of new servers is a solved problem and has been for years now.

The more offensive issue is that they didn't even test this crap on Chrome or Firefox, neither work on the security questions page, only IE.

Still, I'm anxious to see how badly I get screwed since I'm being forced to choose a plan through this system as my old state-sponsored system is shutting down at the end of the year.
 
Mar 9, 2013
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The worst thing about the great american dream is the health issuance without which you would be doomed as you would have no hope to survive in such a condition.

Health insurance was supposed to be a good concept but in reality it have created more problems than it solved. The price of basic healthcare have gone so high that death is the only option without insurance. Companies only motive is to make profit and that set.

Here, in india we don't really look at health insurance as a necessity. Even though insurance companies really try hard to sell them to us.
The cost of good health care is low. And we only use heath insurance for big things only(if applicable). And even if you do get some chronic disease it doesnt mean that all is over without insurance.

If you would do the math here then you would know that the money that you would save on the premiums and invest them elsewhere in bonds or deposits etc. Even then you would be in a better position to take care of yourself if needed.

These are the primary reasons that health tourism have rised exponentially in india in the past few years.

Here if you have a problem in the ankle the doctor won't ask you to also get a MRI or CAT scan along with sonography etc. The state of affairs in US is simply disturbing.

I can't imagine myself spending 1000's of $ for something that would not require more than 70-80$ at max. That really doesnt do any good for anybody except the insurance companies.

We here in india are lucky to not get into the vicious circle of these insurance companies. These companies have made a slave out of american people. You work for them and you own a part/complete life to them only.
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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Everyone must take part in healthcare. period.
And with that, costs WILL drop for more affordability than you probably get from your employer based insurance.
You employer has, what, maybe 200, 300, 5000 employees with healthcare?
And you premium costs still run ramped despite, year after year.

obamacare is forecast to increase medical spending this year 6% versus the average 4%. With HSA's and higher deductible policies we saw consumers being more aware of their healthcare spending. obamacare moves healthcare spending in the opposite direction once again. I saw this in Tennessee with their Tenncare program offering insurance to people who could not afford it or had preexisting conditions preventing them from getting private insurance. The program had little out of pocket costs for recipients and left alone, would have consumed 1/3 of the state's budget.

And to those claims that having a lot of uninsured people running around increased my premiums...

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/7809.pdf

75% of those costs were borne by federal, state, and local taxes. So everyone paid for the uninsured basically.
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
19,441
86
91
Don't worry about it guys. When this shit bomb really shows it's ugly ass, it's gonna prove that people like Ted Cruz were really trying to do the right thing. Since ACA was passed in the night without a single Republican vote, when it all starts ripping off mainstreet America, the Dems can kiss 2014 & 2016 goodbye

In a perfect world it would work that way. Now obama will just get on TV and do his jive talk about the GOP shutting down the government and causing obamacare to fail. It won't matter if the shutdown is for a day or a week or a month. The sheeple will be enamored by the smooth talk. He will then provide iphones to everyone and will have the votes necessary for a third term.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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I see that some minimum amount of preventative care will be copay free on top of regular coverage for those who are uninsured now. I hope that the cost I pay now for emergency room universal free medical care for the poor will reduce over time.

Sadly, thanks to conservative thinking, we have created a society that produces a lot of poor and sick people. We didn't give a shit about all the children of worthless degenerates and now they've grown up happy to fuck us. I guess Obama care could be thought of as a kick in the ass for assholes.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Yes, of course I have and I expected there would be issues today. However, load balancing and automatic provisioning of new servers is a solved problem and has been for years now.

The more offensive issue is that they didn't even test this crap on Chrome or Firefox, neither work on the security questions page, only IE.

Still, I'm anxious to see how badly I get screwed since I'm being forced to choose a plan through this system as my old state-sponsored system is shutting down at the end of the year.

Meh, I architect high scale websites for a living and even I think that trying to keep a website propped up with about 50 million people hammering it probably isn't going to end well on day one.

The static parts of the site appear to be staying alive through use of Akamai, but the dynamic forms parts are probably suffering something fierce. Be interesting if I could find out the name of the contractor behind the site.
 

shadow9d9

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
8,132
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obamacare is forecast to increase medical spending this year 6% versus the average 4%. With HSA's and higher deductible policies we saw consumers being more aware of their healthcare spending. obamacare moves healthcare spending in the opposite direction once again. I saw this in Tennessee with their Tenncare program offering insurance to people who could not afford it or had preexisting conditions preventing them from getting private insurance. The program had little out of pocket costs for recipients and left alone, would have consumed 1/3 of the state's budget.

And to those claims that having a lot of uninsured people running around increased my premiums...

http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/7809.pdf

75% of those costs were borne by federal, state, and local taxes. So everyone paid for the uninsured basically.

You already did... the ER, welfare, medicare... Except ER costs are the most expensive in the world.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Remember this is only part of Obamacare. All the other stuff that has been pushed off into the future still hasnt taken affect. And dont forget all the exemptions.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
Would be nice if their website actually worked. Been trying for the last 20 minutes to create an account and get an error every time.

My first attempt on Chrome failed because the security questions page doesn't work on Chrome at all. After I switched to IE it fails at the last step of account creation every time and makes you restart the entire signup process.

Nice job government contractors, way to put out a quality product.

Heh first time you have dealt with a govt run website? Now think about when they control your healthcare
 

Londo_Jowo

Lifer
Jan 31, 2010
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londojowo.hypermart.net
Here's the information I received in the mail yesterday. Sounds like a person who has company provided insurance would stand to loose money should they move to the ACA Marketplace, see highlighted note.

[FONT=&quot]Form Approved[/FONT]​
[FONT=&quot] OMB No. 1210-0149 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](expires 11-30-2013)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]New Health Insurance Marketplace Coverage [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]Options [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and Your Health Coverage[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]PART A: General Information[/FONT]
When key parts of the health care law take effect in 2014, there will be a new way to buy health insurance: the Health Insurance Marketplace. To assist you as you evaluate options for you and your family, this notice provides some basic information about the new Marketplace and employment*based health coverage offered by your employer.

[FONT=&quot]What is the Health Insurance Marketplace?[/FONT]
The Marketplace is designed to help you find health insurance that meets your needs and fits your budget. The Marketplace offers "one-stop shopping" to find and compare private health insurance options. You may also be eligible for a new kind of tax credit that lowers your monthly premium right away. Open enrollment for health insurance coverage through the Marketplace begins in October 2013 for coverage starting as early as January 1, 2014.

[FONT=&quot]Can I Save Money on my Health Insurance Premiums in the Marketplace?[/FONT]
You may qualify to save money and lower your monthly premium, but only if your employer does not offer coverage, or offers coverage that doesn't meet certain standards. The savings on your premium that you're eligible for depends on your household income.

[FONT=&quot]Does Employer Health Coverage Affect Eligibility for Premium Savings through the Marketplace?[/FONT]
Yes. If you have an offer of health coverage from your employer that meets certain standards, you will not be eligible for a tax credit through the Marketplace and may wish to enroll in your employer's health plan. However, you may be eligible for a tax credit that lowers your monthly premium, or a reduction in certain cost-sharing if your employer does not offer coverage to you at all or does not offer coverage that meets certain standards. If the cost of a plan from your employer that would cover you (and not any other members of your family) is more than 9.5% of your household income for the year, or if the coverage your employer provides does not meet the "minimum value" standard set by the Affordable Care Act, you may be eligible for a tax credit.1

Note: If you purchase a health plan through the Marketplace instead of accepting health coverage offered by your employer, then you may lose the employer contribution (if any) to the employer-offered coverage. Also, this employer contribution -as well as your employee contribution to employer-offered coverage- is often excluded from income for Federal and State income tax purposes. Your payments for coverage through the Marketplace are made on an after-tax basis.

[FONT=&quot]How Can I Get More Information?[/FONT]
For more information about your coverage offered by your employer, please check your summary plan description or contact
 

Attic

Diamond Member
Jan 9, 2010
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Good, I can finally get my ass finger bombed by a doctor and have one of you tards foot the bill.

Dream come true!
 
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