It's high time that Trump releases his taxes

[nakedfrog]

It means you can't teach an uneducated Democrat anything.

What about an uneducated republican? Or an uneducated independent? Or an uneducated libertarian? Is this syndrome you speak of specific to one political party somehow?

 

[Thebobo]

It means you can't teach an uneducated Democrat anything.

Guess you're running out of folks to "educate" then.

From the Wash Post
A new survey from the Pew Research Center shows that the Republican Party has become the party for less-educated white voters. And the shift in recent years has been particularly staggering.

From the Pew Research Center

 

[PokerGuy]

Every president before him had no issue whatsoever with this.

And that's relevant how? Is there a legal requirement for him to release his taxes or not? Yes or no question.

This man has spent his entire life bragging about his wealth. If we know one thing about Trump it is that wealth is the single most important thing to him. He is in a position now which would allow him to amass wealth on a unprecedented scale and concurrently he is now in a position where he wants to hide his finances.

Again, does the fact that you think his wealth is most important thing to him create a legal obligation to him to have to release anything?

This isn't rocket science, why do you think he should be able to hide his finances (unlike the presidents before him).

You're right, this isn't rocket science. I think he should release his taxes, but that doesn't make it a legal requirement for him.

It is White House policy. If they change it, which I imagine they will, that will bring even more pressure.

Funny guy. It's not his white house policy, that was obummer's policy. Trump doesn't have to keep anything, the website or anything else, and I'm sure he won't give a damn who's upset about it. Besides, all they've said in the past was if a petition had enough signatures, they'd provide a response. Well guess what, Conway already provided the response: "he's not releasing his tax filings". So what?

 

[vampirefo]

What about an uneducated republican? Or an uneducated independent? Or an uneducated libertarian? Is this syndrome you speak of specific to one political party somehow?

Well if they think that just because they want something that belongs to another it's their right to have it, then they would equal an uneducated Democrat.

Hard for me to believe a Republican not knowing the difference between a right and a want.

A right is something that must be given to an individual a want isn't.

So if you truly had a right to Trump's taxes you would already have them, seeing no such right exist you don't have them.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well if they think that just because they want something that belongs to another it's their right to have it, then they would equal an uneducated Democrat.

Hard for me to believe a Republican not knowing the difference between a right and a want.

A right is something that must be given to an individual a want isn't.

So if you truly had a right to Trump's taxes you would already have them, seeing no such right exist you don't have them.

You didn't answer my question, you answered one you made up.

"What about an uneducated republican? Or an uneducated independent? Or an uneducated libertarian? Is this syndrome you speak of specific to one political party somehow?"

 

[vampirefo]

You didn't answer my question, you answered one you made up.

"What about an uneducated republican? Or an uneducated independent? Or an uneducated libertarian? Is this syndrome you speak of specific to one political party somehow?"

Your question was answered, you just don't understand the answer.

 

[jackstar7]

Funny guy. It's not his white house policy, that was obummer's policy. Trump doesn't have to keep anything, the website or anything else, and I'm sure he won't give a damn who's upset about it. Besides, all they've said in the past was if a petition had enough signatures, they'd provide a response. Well guess what, Conway already provided the response: "he's not releasing his tax filings". So what?

I guess the question is: why do you support his lack of transparency?

Just because he's dogmatic about it?

When it comes out in court, won't that be worse?

 

[bshole]

Yeah, because me saying "I think he should release his taxes" actually is secret code for "I believe taking billion dollar bribes for foreign nations is a great idea, awesome!". Have you considered mental help??

I will admit to strawmanning you on several threads as of late. Put that down to your ability to get under my skin.

Lets see if we can come to some kind of agreement. Here are some statements. Do you agree with me on them?

1. The President should NOT use his office to enact policy to enrich himself.
2. The people have an absolute right to know if the President is using the office to enrich himself.
3. The President's finances must be transparent to ensure the two above principles

Now what importance level do you put on those statements on a scale of 1-100 for preservation of our Republic? I myself put a value of 100 on them. I don't believe our Republic exists any longer if any of the statements are not true.

 

[nakedfrog]

Your question was answered, you just don't understand the answer.

You may think so, but that's false.
Here, let's try again.
You specifically said that "you can't teach an uneducated democrat anything". I asked if that applies to other political parties (as in, can you teach an uneducated republican, and so forth) and you proceeded to go on about us not having a right to Trump's tax returns, which I didn't even mention.

 

[zinfamous]

Due to your lack of education, I didn't expect you to understand.

In America we have a president not an emperor like your country.

are we going to play the education merry-go-round now? OK, then.

remember though, that you are the one prescribing emperor powers to your golden orange boy, not me.

 

[bshole]

are we going to play the education merry-go-round now? OK, then.

remember though, that you are the one prescribing emperor powers to your golden orange boy, not me.

Can we call him buckshot? He is buckshot. Buckshot prattled endlessly about the ignore button and this alt opens up with the same stuff. Are alts permitted here?

 

[PokerGuy]

I guess the question is: why do you support his lack of transparency?

Wait, what? Me saying "he should release the tax forms" somehow signals that I support his lack of transparency??

When it comes out in court, won't that be worse?

You mean, "if" it comes out. As I've said before, I don't think that's a sure thing by any stretch. My personal theory is that the tax information is likely to be a source of embarrassment for him (not as rich, not as much income as he said etc). I can understand from that perspective he didn't want to give the opposition more ammo to damage his chances to get elected. Now that he's been elected already, I would go ahead and release them, but it might just be an ego thing. I dunno.

 

[OutHouse]

Another uneducated Democrat, let me try an teach you something, I did use the word try, you are an uneducated Democrat after all.

If you post a copy of Trump's tax in the next 60 seconds you are correct you have a right to have his taxes, if you don't then you have no right to another man's person stuff.

I can only hope I taught you something, you may want other people's stuff, but they have a right that overrules your wants, meaning they don't have to give you shit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH did this tool just call me a democrat? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

pro tip DIPSHIT. i'm not a democrat and don't give a shit if trump, hillary or sanders released their personal taxes, the choice is theirs.

 

[blackangst1]

I personally don't get why releasing taxes is so damned important.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I will admit to strawmanning you on several threads as of late. Put that down to your ability to get under my skin.

Lets see if we can come to some kind of agreement. Here are some statements. Do you agree with me on them?

1. The President should NOT use his office to enact policy to enrich himself.
2. The people have an absolute right to know if the President is using the office to enrich himself.
3. The President's finances must be transparent to ensure the two above principles

Now what importance level do you put on those statements on a scale of 1-100 for preservation of our Republic? I myself put a value of 100 on them. I don't believe our Republic exists any longer if any of the statements are not true.

OK but you haven't addressed the current legal situation.

Easy question. Yes or no. Does this absolute right supercede the Constitution and law? I want to see things too. So find a law that says he must produce his taxes unless of course you admit you don't care about the law.

 

[PokerGuy]

Lets see if we can come to some kind of agreement. Here are some statements. Do you agree with me on them?

The President should NOT use his office to enact policy to enrich himself.

Agreed.

The people have an absolute right to know if the President is using the office to enrich himself.

No, the people should know if he's doing that, but under what law do they have an absolute right to know? We already know that there's no legal requirement for him to release his tax filings or any other documentation. The people can choose to not put someone in office if he doesn't disclose his financial information, but there is no mechanism to compel him to release that information. Also are tax filings enough? What other information do you think the president should be forced to provide?

The President's finances must be transparent to ensure the two above principles

I think they should be (to an extent), but that's not how the law (constitution) is set up, nor is there an easy way to change that. If the legislative branch tries to create such requirements, it would cause all sorts of thorny separation of government issues under the constitution.

Basically, the people have the power to compel the candidate to release information by saying "we won't vote for you until you do". Once he's elected, the power is basically gone, short of the house charging the president with a crime (what law was violated?) and the senate convicting him of the crime... and that's not going to happen, nor should it.

Now what importance level do you put on those statements on a scale of 1-100 for preservation of our Republic? I myself put a value of 100 on them. I don't believe our Republic exists any longer if any of the statements are not true.

You're basically saying "voters didn't force him to release this info we should have, so now we need to force him to do it, even though there's no legal requirement for him to do it". That's not how it works. If voters decided to vote him into office without that information having been released, who are you (or I for that matter) to decide that the information is critical? The voters decided it wasn't.

 

[bshole]

OK but you haven't addressed the current legal situation.

Easy question. Yes or no. Does this absolute right supercede the Constitution and law? I want to see things too. So find a law that says he must produce his taxes unless of course you admit you don't care about the law.

Removed comment here.....

I care about the three things I posted. I think it is pathetic that this man refuses to do what every other President that preceded him did willingly. If it isn't in the law, it was because the previous presidents were more honorable and recognized the importance of the three principles in preserving the Republic.

1. The President should NOT use his office to enact policy to enrich himself.
2. The people have an absolute right to know if the President is using the office to enrich himself.
3. The President's finances must be transparent to ensure the two above principles

If it isn't the law, IT SHOULD BE THE LAW. In the absence of it being the law, we must rely on WikiLeaks and insiders to expose Trump when he dives into corruption for personal financial gain.

I find any defense of Trump's conduct regarding this as morally repugnant and an outstanding indicator of the character of the person making the argument. Completely inexcusable.

 

[nakedfrog]

Honestly, at this point him not having released them has already spoken volumes about himself and his character. Either what's in there is compromising, or he's simply withholding out of spite--neither of which would be surprising.

 

[nakedfrog]

I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE LAW. Got that?

That's dangerous ground to tread on, and I think you'd feel the same if the situation were reversed. If you want it to be a law, you have a voice, use it. I suspect it hasn't been a law until now because we didn't realize it would need to be a law.

 

[blackangst1]

Honestly, at this point him not having released them has already spoken volumes about himself and his character. Either what's in there is compromising, or he's simply withholding out of spite--neither of which would be surprising.

And what compromising thing could possibly be in his taxes? He's been audited enough that if there were anything shady going on he would either A: have been prosecuted, or B: that info would have been made public. Unless, of course, you somehow think the IRS sucks at auditing and he pulled a fast one on them?

I don't get it. Please enlighten me.

 

[bshole]

That's dangerous ground to tread on, and I think you'd feel the same if the situation were reversed. If you want it to be a law, you have a voice, use it. I suspect it hasn't been a law until now because we didn't realize it would need to be a law.

Ok I will walk that statement back...

 

[nakedfrog]

And what compromising thing could possibly be in his taxes? He's been audited enough that if there were anything shady going on he would either A: have been prosecuted, or B: that info would have been made public. Unless, of course, you somehow think the IRS sucks at auditing and he pulled a fast one on them?

I don't get it. Please enlighten me.

It doesn't have to be illegal to be compromising.

 

[blackangst1]

If it isn't the law, IT SHOULD BE THE LAW. In the absence of it being the law, we must rely on WikiLeaks and insiders to expose Trump when he dives into corruption for personal financial gain.

Explain how *IF* he had been diving into corruption for personal gain the IRS has not already found out about it? Do you know how many times he's been audited?

 

[vampirefo]

I personally don't get why releasing taxes is so damned important.

Only crybabies want it, and cause they want it, I want Trump to never release them simply cause the Democrats want them.

Notice I never used the word right cause neither I nor the crybaby Democrats have any rights over Trump's taxes.

 

[Blackjack200]

Only crybabies want it, and cause they want it, I want Trump to never release them simply cause the Democrats want them.

If you listen to them, this is the essence of Trump's supporters. His support is rooted in hatred and has nothing to do with governance. That simple.