It's high time that Trump releases his taxes

[WelshBloke]

Nope, not at all, it's all out of well placed concern for the country Common, spare us the BS.

Common? What?

Orange or Golden?

Piss yellow.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Great question to pose in the context of this thread. The answer is that we only know what he wanted us to know and that narrative itself was tightly controlled.

I suppose you don't see the irony of this statement regarding Trump.
You do realize you hired a President that has a Hollywood Agent.

 

[jackstar7]

What did we really know about Obama?

What do we really know about any of these people in office? Some seem like sterling examples of human beings and then get caught with their pants down, hands in the cookie jar, evading taxes.

Hopefully the checks and balances in place still work and if Trump goes rouge he'll be impeached. I say give him a chance first though. What do we have to loose?

Can you elaborate on what the extent of a chance is and when I can be done with that?

Also, we clearly have a lot to lose, unless you think we're currently living in some kind of hellscape.

 

[paperfist]

Can you elaborate on what the extent of a chance is and when I can be done with that?

Also, we clearly have a lot to lose, unless you think we're currently living in some kind of hellscape.

Can you let the guy take office first? Look he's no Lincoln or Washington, but when's the last time we had a president that changed the world? So the bar hasn't exactly been set high. Give the guy a chance to warm the seat up for a few months before you impale him.

Love the choice of word, hellscape. The globe is heating up both literally and figuratively.

I'm not going to say it's all Obama's fault because the temperature has always been rising both in global warming and that of warmongering. Obama chose to focus on the former and not so much the latter.

 

[agent00f]

Great question to pose in the context of this thread. The answer is that we only know what he wanted us to know and that narrative itself was tightly controlled. Those of us that weren't happy about that gained as much knowledge about 0bama as those demanding Trumps tax returns are going to get.

Just a heads up that obama's tax returns were never going to reveal that he's Kenyan muslim or founder of ISIS.

Worth mentioning that the basis of historical fascist agitprop is "both sides are X", of which this sort now are the exemplary example. When everyone is supposedly the lowest common denominator, they won't stand out as much. The fact that they're even comparing someone like Obama or anyone the least bit respectable vs some total degenerate (ie. their own) is illustrative enough.

 

[fskimospy]

Can you let the guy take office first? Look he's no Lincoln or Washington, but when's the last time we had a president that changed the world? So the bar hasn't exactly been set high. Give the guy a chance to warm the seat up for a few months before you impale him.

Love the choice of word, hellscape. The globe is heating up both literally and figuratively.

I'm not going to say it's all Obama's fault because the temperature has always been rising both in global warming and that of warmongering. Obama chose to focus on the former and not so much the latter.

What does 'giving him a chance' entail, exactly? Should people not criticize him when he makes comically inept appointments like Ben Carson? Should people not point out that when he claims he's got a magically great health plan that covers everyone better and costs less he's either mathematically challenged or lying? What exactly?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What does 'giving him a chance' entail, exactly? Should people not criticize him when he makes comically inept appointments like Ben Carson? Should people not point out that when he claims he's got a magically great health plan that covers everyone better and costs less he's either mathematically challenged or lying? What exactly?

or he knows more than the generals about fighting isis or he's got the best brain, or he'll be the healthiest person ever elected to the office of president or the fact that nobody reads the bible more than him or nobody knows the visa system better than him, like H1B or H2B, nobody knows it better than him, or he knows more about renewables than any human being on earth or nobody knows more about taxes than him IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD (drumpf's words, not mine) or nobody who understands the horror of nuclear more than him or Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.

Fvck drumpf, he's a blowhard, a con-man, a ruse, etc. Maybe someday some of the drumpf fluffers will wake up to this fact, most, I fear, will not.

By the way, he literally said all of the above about himself.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...policy-perspec-zorn-1019-20161018-column.html

 

[jackstar7]

Can you let the guy take office first? Look he's no Lincoln or Washington, but when's the last time we had a president that changed the world? So the bar hasn't exactly been set high. Give the guy a chance to warm the seat up for a few months before you impale him.

Love the choice of word, hellscape. The globe is heating up both literally and figuratively.

I'm not going to say it's all Obama's fault because the temperature has always been rising both in global warming and that of warmongering. Obama chose to focus on the former and not so much the latter.

The question is: why the arbitrary amount of time for a "chance"? Why should he be immune from judgment? Obama certainly wasn't, since we're drawing comparisons...

 

[paperfist]

What does 'giving him a chance' entail, exactly? Should people not criticize him when he makes comically inept appointments like Ben Carson? Should people not point out that when he claims he's got a magically great health plan that covers everyone better and costs less he's either mathematically challenged or lying? What exactly?

We are splitting hairs now.

A huge amount of people don't even want him to take office. Give him a chance means just that, let him lead.

Criticize him all you want. He's got the vocabulary of a 3rd grader and there's no denying it. He says stupid and offensive things sometimes and there's no denying it.

Again, I didn't vote for him, but I'm sick of politicians running the country the way they have so I'm willing to see what Trump can do. I was a kid when Regan was elected and I believe he was mocked too, but many think he was our last great president.

 

[paperfist]

The question is: why the arbitrary amount of time for a "chance"? Why should he be immune from judgment? Obama certainly wasn't, since we're drawing comparisons...

Ah cause the dude hasn't even taken office yet and people want him out. Have you ever seen a president elect not even take his seat before the masses clalming his presidency was a mistake?

Who gave Obama a hard time? He was ushered in on "Hope and Change", the anti-politician who would go through everything line by line, who wouldn't accept Washington as business as usual. Oh here's your health care plan, you can't read it till we pass it.

 

[mikeymikec]

We are splitting hairs now.

A huge amount of people don't even want him to take office. Give him a chance means just that, let him lead.

His response seemed entirely on point to me. Perhaps we have different definitions for what "splitting hairs" means. He's already doing the job he was elected for; it starts by picking the people he wants as his advisors / cabinet / etc. People are judging him based on his opening choices, the dumbass things he says, the people he insults because maintaining his ego is a full-time job, etc. To claim that process should only start once he is no longer President-Elect but President is pretty much a textbook example of splitting hairs, IMO. I personally judge him on all the crap he's said since he started to ran as a presidential candidate, because if there was ever a moment in a person's life that they should act like a mature, sensible and informed person, it's then. I don't think Trump got that memo. To be fair, he should have got that memo when he turned say 25, not 70, but hey ho.

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Please learn to use multi-quote.

Who gave Obama a hard time?

I remember a fair few videos of politicians and news people criticising him, saying stupid things like "he's been in power for 8 days, why hasn't he achieved all the things he claimed he would do yet?".

 

[jackstar7]

Sorry, this was after he had been in office a while, and yet... how is this not precedent for ANY amount of criticism:

 

[fskimospy]

We are splitting hairs now.

A huge amount of people don't even want him to take office. Give him a chance means just that, let him lead.

Criticize him all you want. He's got the vocabulary of a 3rd grader and there's no denying it. He says stupid and offensive things sometimes and there's no denying it.

Again, I didn't vote for him, but I'm sick of politicians running the country the way they have so I'm willing to see what Trump can do. I was a kid when Regan was elected and I believe he was mocked too, but many think he was our last great president.

We aren't splitting hairs at all. What does 'let him lead' mean, exactly?

I am just baffled by the ridiculous idea that you can't criticize a president elect for doing obviously stupid or incompetent things right out of the gate because we are supposed to 'give him a chance'.

If he doesn't want to be criticized then he needs to do at least a minimally competent job. So far he's failed at that miserably.

 

[MrSquished]

I wonder what Trumpists would think if it was found out that Trump's businesses were many hundreds of million dollars in the hole to Russian entities.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder what Trumpists would think if it was found out that Trump's businesses were many hundreds of million dollars in the hole to Russian entities.

I just find it funny that so many conservatives who were obsessed with imagined Clinton corruption simply don't care about actual Trump corruption.

People are usually less transparently dishonest than this but I do appreciate them taking the mask off.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why hasn't the IRS found any issues with Trump's taxes?

 

[fskimospy]

Why hasn't the IRS found any issues with Trump's taxes?

Why is that relevant here? Also, how would we know if they had?

His tax returns are useful for finding out his sources of income. From there we can start unraveling where he actually gets his money from so we know who he is beholden to. It's not about fines or criminal charges.

Would you care if Clinton got all of her income from Saudi Arabia? I would.

 

[jayzds]

I do care if there is proven corruption...he should be removed. He is really a Democrat dressed in conservative clothing, so he means shit to me. I agree with a poster...from another thread who stated that he was sick of the politicians and because they have not done shit in the last...too many years...that is where I sit and I would have voted against any Bush or Clinton to be in office. The dynasty family shit needs to go.

 

[Fern]

Why hasn't the IRS found any issues with Trump's taxes?

Who says they haven't?

If he is perpetually audited as claimed (?, not sure exactly what is claimed) then it's likely the IRS disagrees with one or more issues (disagreement about interpretation/application of law). This, of course, is really a matter between Trump's tax professionals and the IRS. Trump's not a tax professional and so relies upon them.

Such disagreements are not an unusual thing and aren't, in and of themselves, cause for concern.

Since Trump seems to use entities (LLCs, partnerships etc.) for all his business activities it's unlikely there are issues with his own personal tax return. Rather, they are more likely to appear on one of the (approx) 500 entities he conducts business through.

If someone knew the names and other identifying info of those entities a tax case database could be searched to see if any of them pop up as litigating tax law in fight with the IRS. Not sure that data is available.

Fern

 

[Fern]

DP
Fern

 

[Satyrist]

I wonder what Trumpists would think if it was found out that Trump's businesses were many hundreds of million dollars in the hole to Russian entities.

When he can simply point his finger at any random enemy as a target, be it his clashes with minorities, ISIL, the poor schlep that messed up his room service order, etc.....His followers have pretty much proven that they simply don't GAF. And they will continue to eat it up every time.

 

[Fern]

I just find it funny that so many conservatives who were obsessed with imagined Clinton corruption simply don't care about actual Trump corruption.
-snip-.

What "actual corruption"?

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

What "actual corruption"?

Fern

He will likely be in violation of the emoluments clause as of day one of his presidency.

 

[IGBT]

There's no constitutional or statutory requirement. If there was a problem the IRS is there.

 

[agent00f]

We are splitting hairs now.

A huge amount of people don't even want him to take office. Give him a chance means just that, let him lead.

Criticize him all you want. He's got the vocabulary of a 3rd grader and there's no denying it. He says stupid and offensive things sometimes and there's no denying it.

Again, I didn't vote for him, but I'm sick of politicians running the country the way they have so I'm willing to see what Trump can do. I was a kid when Regan was elected and I believe he was mocked too, but many think he was our last great president.

We aren't splitting hairs at all. What does 'let him lead' mean, exactly?

I am just baffled by the ridiculous idea that you can't criticize a president elect for doing obviously stupid or incompetent things right out of the gate because we are supposed to 'give him a chance'.

If he doesn't want to be criticized then he needs to do at least a minimally competent job. So far he's failed at that miserably.

Seems pretty obvious that "let him lead" will inevitably produce the next "great president" in the eyes of loyalists. Just wait for the londo types to reliably come to his rescue without fail same as their own, despite insisting they would never vote for trump as if anyone actually believes that.

 

[paperfist]

We aren't splitting hairs at all. What does 'let him lead' mean, exactly?

I am just baffled by the ridiculous idea that you can't criticize a president elect for doing obviously stupid or incompetent things right out of the gate because we are supposed to 'give him a chance'.

If he doesn't want to be criticized then he needs to do at least a minimally competent job. So far he's failed at that miserably.

Not sure where you get the idea that I said you can't criticize a president elect or anyone for that matter. I just said it's kinda late to ask for his tax returns.

What exactly has he failed miserably a?

His response seemed entirely on point to me. Perhaps we have different definitions for what "splitting hairs" means. He's already doing the job he was elected for; it starts by picking the people he wants as his advisors / cabinet / etc. People are judging him based on his opening choices, the dumbass things he says, the people he insults because maintaining his ego is a full-time job, etc. To claim that process should only start once he is no longer President-Elect but President is pretty much a textbook example of splitting hairs, IMO. I personally judge him on all the crap he's said since he started to ran as a presidential candidate, because if there was ever a moment in a person's life that they should act like a mature, sensible and informed person, it's then. I don't think Trump got that memo. To be fair, he should have got that memo when he turned say 25, not 70, but hey ho.

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Please learn to use multi-quote.



I remember a fair few videos of politicians and news people criticising him, saying stupid things like "he's been in power for 8 days, why hasn't he achieved all the things he claimed he would do yet?".

You're telling me to use multi-quote?

Splitting hairs was in reference to fskimospy continual request for me to define 'give him a chance'.

Seems pretty obvious that "let him lead" will inevitably produce the next "great president" in the eyes of loyalists. Just wait for the londo types to reliably come to his rescue without fail same as their own, despite insisting they would never vote for trump as if anyone actually believes that.

You guys sure do read a lot into a words meaning besides the actual meaning.

"Let him lead" means just that. I have no idea if he will be the next Washington or Obama. Hopefully more of the former.

It seems to me all of the people I quoted could care less if the country does well or not, only that a Democrat didn't win. Remind me again, it's still we the people, right?